100liter/26 Gallons, Overstocked?

[Chikoto]

I have a 100 liter tank and in it I have
3 angelfish
2 male betta who are not fighting!
2 female betta
6 guppy
11 neon tetra
2 gold fish
2 sword tail fish
3 tiger barb fish
1 Pleco
am I overstocking the tank
and I also have two types of internal filters in it I don't know if it's a good thing or not please give some comments if you can guys.

I wil post photos of them shortly.

 

[AJE]

I have a 100 liter tank and in it I have
3 angelfish
2 male betta who are not fighting!
2 female betta
6 guppy
11 neon tetra
2 gold fish
2 sword tail fish
3 tiger barb fish
1 Pleco
am I overstocking the tank
and I also have two types of internal filters in it I don't know if it's a good thing or not please give some comments if you can guys.

I wil post photos of them shortly.

Welcome to fish lore! Yes!! You are extremely overstocked!! The tand sounds like a ticking time bomb

Also what kind of pleco?

 

[Chikoto]

Welcome to fish lore! Yes!! You are extremely overstocked!! The tand sounds like a ticking time bomb

Also what kind of pleco?

Please tell me why all fish look extremely healthy and happy with their own space as for the pleco here is a photo of his kind

 

[david1978]

Their probably young yet. Give them time. Please research your fish. Seriously fish is a good site. That and you have cold water, sub tropical and tropical fish together.

 

[Chikoto]

Their probably young yet. Give them time. Please research your fish. Seriously fish is a good site. That and you have cold water, sub tropical and tropical fish together.

which of my fish is cold water please tell me so I can separate them!

 

[AJE]

Please tell me why all fish look extremely healthy and happy with their own space as for the pleco here is a photo of his kind

And that’s a common pleco, which will get to over 2ft!!!

which of my fish is cold water please tell me so I can separate them!

The goldfish are cold water

 

[Chikoto]

Welcome to fish lore! Yes!! You are extremely overstocked!! The tand sounds like a ticking time bomb

Also what kind of pleco?

oh and mate one more question if I may do you know what kind of fish is this my wife bought it without knowing what it is and I can't find it on the net?

 

[AJE]

oh and mate one more question if I may do you know what kind of fish is this my wife bought it without knowing what it is and I can't find it on the net?

Which one?

 

[david1978]

The goldfish would be cold water. Room temp.
The neons, guppies, barbs and swordtails sub tropic. Around mid 70's
The betta and angelfish tropical. Around 80.
And the pleco could go with just about any but get 18-24 inches long in a proper environment.
The orange gourami looking fish?

 

[Chikoto]

Which one?

The goldfish would be cold water. Room temp.
The neons, guppies, barbs and swordtails sub tropic. Around mid 70's
The betta and angelfish tropical. Around 80.
And the pleco could go with just about any but get 18-24 inches long in a proper environment.
The orange gourami looking fish?

 

[AJE]

I’m not sure, I’m not the best at ID, some kind of tetra?

 

[david1978]

Is this the same tank. I'm seeing gouramis which weren't on your list.

 

[Thunder_o_b]

Greetings and welcome to Fishlore

I do not like to be the bearer of bad news but,

You need to get those male bettas out of there before they kill the neons. Neons are long fin nippers. The bettas will get tired of that and start taking out the neons one by one. Generally you will see neons missing an eye or worse.

Angel fish are far to large when grown for that aquarium. I would not keep one in less than a 44 pent.

If the goldfish are standard (comet) they need 100 gallons as they get very large.

If your pleco is a standard it will get to over a foot long.

The barbs will be an issue because they are not in a proper sized school. Watch for aggression.

Even if these fish got along (which they won't) you are vastly over stocked when these fish become adults.

 

[Rtessy]

I'd like to see a picture of this whole tank...
Also, the goldfish will eat every fish you listed except for the pleco, angels, possibly the tiger barbs. They get 8-10", by the time they're about 5-6", their mouths will be wide enough to eat the bettas, neons, guppies, and possibly Swordtails, depending on the size of those.

 

[Chikoto]

Which one?

I'd like to see a picture of this whole tank...
Also, the goldfish will eat every fish you listed except for the pleco, angels, possibly the tiger barbs. They get 8-10", by the time they're about 5-6", their mouths will be wide enough to eat the bettas, neons, guppies, and possibly Swordtails, depending on the size of those.

 

[coralbandit]

Fish in question is congo tetra !
Welcome !

 

[Crazycoryfishlady]

It looks like a telescope goldfish I think? I don't know golfish very well... But it's one of the ones that doesn't get as big as a comet.

The pleco is definitely a fish that gets to be over a foot long...
My local fish store has a pleco that looks like OP's, and it's in a 250 gallon tank with oscars, yet it still takes up about half the tank...
Such a massive fish.
Probably weighs so much over 30lbs!

Over stocking sometimes has more to do with the type of fish you want to have, rather than the tank size or number of fish.

You can have 5 neons in a 10 gallon, but you most certainly cannot have 5 angels or 5 goldfish.

A thing to be wary of it temperature compatibility and fish behavior.
Bettas are really aggressive, and so are angels. They could fight each other, or the whole tank.

You seem like you care about your fish... I wouldn't want them hurt any more than you would, but that means you should try to listen to people who have been keeping fish for many years, and especially the same kind of ones that you have.
We're not scientist's, but we're almost like experts... We've learned a lot and made so many mistakes, costing us lives.
It's not worth forcing a problem to stay how it is if lives are at risk.

You could probably take the stocking you have, and break it down between a 26 gallon and 40 gallon maybe, and then you'd even have some room for a few more fish maybe...
So long as you take the proper steps to setting up the tank and keeping the fish.

coralbandit breeds angels... He could tell you a bit about their temper and what fish out of your stock you could keep with them in a 40 gallon tank or so.

You may have to rehome a fish or two.
My main concerns would probably be the goldfish and pleco.
You can keep the pleco for a while, but it will eventually start to become too much for you tanks to handle unless you get something even bigger like a 75 gallon or 90..


A lot of tetras are schooling fish too, so any barbs and tetras you have should be in decent sized groups.
Some fish die from lonliness, but it's not always the case.
You may want to try to get more tetras when you have more space in your tank.

There is also a handy website that can be used as a bit of a stocking guide.
If it says you have issue, you maybe do...

 

[PheonixKingZ]

I can’t belive your 2 male betta fish, aren’t fighting!! Yes, your tank is WAAYY over stocked. I agree with all of the people above.

 

[Jellibeen]

Surviving does not mean your fish are happy and healthy. There is a big difference between being alive and thriving. Fish in crowded conditions, improper temperatures, with fish that they are likely to fight with won't instantly die. But they will feel stress that makes them more prone to diseases.

 

[Crazycoryfishlady]

I said that you have two 30 gallon rater filters, bigger than what your tanks need... And I took into account the size of your fish as well.

You're going to need imo a minimum of 300% more volume than you do have now, and that's only accounting for one fish...

 

[Rtessy]

Also OP, what are your ammonia, nitrite and nitrate values? That will help us get a perfect view of the bioload of your tank at the moment

 

[Crazycoryfishlady]

Also OP, what are your ammonia, nitrite and nitrate values? That will help us get a perfect view of the bioload of your tank at the moment

I'm not sure they're aware yet.
They said they didn't know about the cycle yet but recently read up on it, and that they're getting a test kit soon.
Likely strips.

But We've suggested the apI fresh water master test kit.
And I'm also willing to order one for the op myself if it's a bit too much for them to get..

I'd love to see this tank and others become happy and healthy ina temp compatible tank that allows for a decent bioload coverage.
I'm sure op would really enjoy keeping plants too....

 

[Rtessy]

Oof, how did I miss that? Lol

 

[NC122606]

I said that you have two 30 gallon rater filters, bigger than what your tanks need... And I took into account the size of your fish as well.

You're going to need imo a minimum of 300% more volume than you do have now, and that's only accounting for one fish...

Lol 91% water changes...

 

[Crazycoryfishlady]

Lol 91% water changes...

I looked at that a bit after posting it... Haha.. Even though it would be bad, no way I'd do 91% changes...
More like 50% every 2 days! Lol!

We should probably ask op how often they change water too... As they should probably do at LEAST a 30% change today and in the next few days coming before the test kit comes in..

 

[NC122606]

I looked at that a bit after posting it... Haha.. Even though it would be bad, no way I'd do 91% changes...
More like 50% every 2 days! Lol!

We should probably ask op how often they change water too... As they should probably do at LEAST a 30% change today and in the next few days coming before the test kit comes in..

I honestly wouldn’t be able to do that...
Imagine if you worked too.

 

[Crazycoryfishlady]

I honestly wouldn’t be able to do that...
Imagine if you worked too.

Without getting too side tracked off this thread... When I moved my fish from my heavily overstocked 20 gallon to my 55, I had to do 20 gallon changes every day to keep the nitrite low enough that it wasn't making them gasp...
That's 20 gallons out 20 in.. Using 5 gallon buckets I can barely carry or lift above my head..
The work you do to save your fish is worth it if you care for them and want them all to survive, without having to "waste" money replacing a life...
If you have things you need to do to save them.. I'd do it. I hold life value pretty high though, and don't think that we should allow our mistakes to take lives since a fish isn't less important than any other pet you keep.

I also think there may be some other fishloreans on here who may live close and be willing to rehome some of the fish.

It's usually best to start with one species at a time.

I started with cories because I knew I loved them, and just had to have some, so I found out the needed big groups and got some more.
Then grew my variety from there to include loaches, livebearers and two smaller plecos.
As I kept going I acquired more and more tanks and plants to keep them happy, and to be able to watch them all enjoy zipping arpund oversized tanks for them xD
Eventually I'll have to upgrade again though, as my pair of dojos will outgrow my 55 gallon within another year or so.

 

[AJE]

Lol 91% water changes...

I would do 100% water changes every 3 days or so

 

[Crazycoryfishlady]

I would do 100% water changes every 3 days or so

How would you recommend going about that, just changing like 5 gallons at a time until you've done all 26? Or take out half then refill and do it again? Couldn't imagine lowering as much as I could then filling it all the way back up again.
No idea what's in the source water for op...
Or if they even have a conditioner ready.

 

[AJE]

How would you recommend going about that, just changing like 5 gallons at a time until you've done all 26? Or take out half then refill and do it again? Couldn't imagine lowering as much as I could then filling it all the way back up again.
No idea what's in the source water for op...
Or if they even have a conditioner ready.

I would do 8 gallons a day, then after 3 days, it’ll be around 100%

 

[Coradee]

Let’s give the Op a chance to respond before bombarding them with more & more questions or making assumptions, & please remember that English may not be their first language.

 

[Thunder_o_b]

Let’s give the Op a chance to respond before bombarding them with more & more questions or making assumptions, & please remember that English may not be their first language.

I just hope that the OP has not been discouraged from even coming back

 

[AmStatic]

I have a 55 gallon community tank, and consider it to be fully stocked, and I have about half the fish, and about a quarter of the "fish body volume" with two fluval 206 canisters on it.

Doing a community tank is fun.. I prefer it.. but it takes a bit of consideration into what species belong together in order to not just survive, but thrive.
It's a "god simulator" of sorts; only fish that are compatable with each other and the environment you're providing will thrive and live peacefully for long periods.
It's part biology, part chemistry and part luck and trial and error. It's not about just putting random fish into a glass container.

It's a hobby.

Happy to provide further help and information. I'm certainly no expert; I'm just an aquarist and hobbiest that's had some basic success. Feel free to reach out with any questions... Many of us have been where you're at when they started.

 

[Houla]

As others have said, this is crazily overstocked and not researched. Before you introduce any fish to an aquarium you should know exactly what it is, what its requirements are and how it is likely to interact with its tankmates. Please do your research. Even if things look rosy to begin with, overstocking, not providing each with what they need and stressing them out with poorly selected tank mates is a recipe for disaster and is no way to treat living creatures. They’re not ornaments. Oh, and please separate those male Bettas asap!

 

[Coradee]

I think it’s already been established the Op’s Tank overstocked, there really is no need for it to be repeated over & over, please read post #31

 

[Sawfish]

Sorry if I missed this already, but I’m betting the two male Bettas he they were sold are gouramis. Would explain them not fighting, along with gourami not being on the original fish list.

 

[Karen Morphis]

I noticed there is no substrate in the tank .

 

[AJE]

Sorry if I missed this already, but I’m betting the two male Bettas he they were sold are gouramis. Would explain them not fighting, along with gourami not being on the original fish list.

He does have a gourami in one of the pictures, I’ll stop writing here until op replies

 

[Heathen]

Some good advice is given here and welcome to the world of fish keeping! Everyone has already hit on some important points, hopefully, you can get the water test kit soon. API Master Test Kit is most readily available - there are others, some more comprehensive but that's a good start. Some will say that the strips are no good but they are actually on par with the water test kit as I have done my own research with it independently as well as some other colleagues. The biggest difference was that the ranges were different so the test read a bit different but they were still on the same level The biggest downside is they sell ammonia separately so you get more for your money with the water kit. Make sure it says freshwater lol!

Another thing I like to mention is you can make your own media to place in your filter, and it will last you much longer. You can get media bags at most pet stores, I use small and medium ones for my HOB{Hang over Back} Filters. All you need is filter floss and ceramic rings and you can fill the bags half full with each or do one bag of each, whatever you want. I have two of each in one of my filters. To clean them, just rinse them out and squeeze them out in water change water and you're good to go. No carbon needed unless you are taking medication out of the water

Gourami is also part of the betta family so it is unwise to keep them with betta as well, especially males. You've already got some info on betta here so I won't rehash over that. gourami have a lot of similar behaviors, and they have labyrinth organs! You also got informed of the goldies and pleco. I can say that no fish ever grows to its environment. Their body will get stunted, but the internal organs keep growing and shorten their life span, so that is some food for thought. Keep us posted on the update, I do suggest getting a pond or rehoming the goldies/pleco at some point lol. If you can get a big enough tank goldfish is a lot of fun to keep! SolidGoldAquatics on YouTube has some really great info in her videos on them.

I'm open to PMs as well for any questions. Best of luck!

 

[Heron]

I have a 100 liter tank and in it I have
3 angelfish
2 male betta who are not fighting!
2 female betta
6 guppy
11 neon tetra
2 gold fish
2 sword tail fish
3 tiger barb fish
1 Pleco
am I overstocking the tank
and I also have two types of internal filters in it I don't know if it's a good thing or not please give some comments if you can guys.

I wil post photos of them shortly.

Whilst you are definitely. Overstocked I have found it possible to keep an overstocked tank successfully . As long as your filter is coping with the load ( ammonia and nitrites are both 0) and you can keep nitrates low ( 10/20 ppm max ) with more frequent water changes and your fish are not fighting for space you are probably ok. I have never overstocked a tank as much as you do I can't say for sure but try water changes of say 20 percent a week and keep a close eye on your water quality with a good test kit.

 

[SaraCooper]

I have a 100 liter tank and in it I have
3 angelfish
2 male betta who are not fighting!
2 female betta
6 guppy
11 neon tetra
2 gold fish
2 sword tail fish
3 tiger barb fish
1 Pleco
am I overstocking the tank
and I also have two types of internal filters in it I don't know if it's a good thing or not please give some comments if you can guys.

I wil post photos of them shortly.

Yes, very overstocked. My guess is the female Betta are hiding, the males have established territories. Angelfish are overcrowded. Neons are fine, but those guppies are likely dropping fry that will have others following them- and Angels can be territorial fin nippers.

Goldfish need to go in a different tank, alone as they don’t have the same needs as your other fish.

The only reason these fish are surviving is the double filters. Hope you are watching chemistry closely, and keeping up with water changes!

 

[Laural]

I have a 100 liter tank and in it I have
3 angelfish
2 male betta who are not fighting!
2 female betta
6 guppy
11 neon tetra
2 gold fish
2 sword tail fish
3 tiger barb fish
1 Pleco
am I overstocking the tank
and I also have two types of internal filters in it I don't know if it's a good thing or not please give some comments if you can guys.

I wil post photos of them shortly.

Yes, you are rather overstocked. The fish may look healthy now, but trust me from experience, it will get worse. I once overstocked a 10 gallon with a betta, three Cory cats, a molly, and two platties. They all passed within months. I suggest removing the gold fish as they actually require cold water and very different parameters and produce a ton of waste. I also suggest removing your pleco and both male bettas. The pleco also produces much waste while the angelfish will more than likely attack the long flowing fins of the male bettas. Not to mention, once they find each other, they will fight over territory and the two females before killing one another. As for the pleco, replace it with a group of 8 Pygmy cory cats OR 6 normal corydoras catfish. I suggest getting peppered corries as they are widely available and are very hardy. They group together better than mixed species will and have tons of personality. Rather than just getting rid of the males, replace them with another female that is around the same size as the other two you have. This will create what is known as a betta sorority. The bettas with fight and nip for the first few days, but will eventually settle with their territories.
Remove the tiger barbs as well. They are semI aggressive and once they max out in size, will more than likely chase other fish as well. Angel fish are also rather aggressive, but can get along well with female bettas due to the lack of flowing tails. Swordtail mollies are also not a great idea for your bettas. I have had my mollies gang up on my bettas many times to the point where my male lost his entire fin. The betta will pick the fight, and lose horribly. Or it may be the other way around, where one of the mollies loses on of their fins and passes because it can’t keep up with the others. Make sure to have plenty of plants for your fish to hide inside. The water should be filtered by them as well. I suggest Marimo moss balls, Java fern and moss (the moss free floats, but the fern should be attached to wood using uncolored thread. It barely grows otherwise), anubias nana (also needs to be attached to wood), and dwarf lily (place it where there is little light filtering through as it does best in low light conditions). All of these plants are low maintenance plants that grow rapidly and help filter well. Add some SEED bacteria to your water too along with prime water conditioner. It works extremely well at quickly building a biological filter and will make caring for it so much simpler!

 

[Crazycoryfishlady]

Let’s give the Op a chance to respond before bombarding them with more & more questions or making assumptions, & please remember that English may not be their first language.

I know we're all just trying to help...
And op didn't leave the forum yet..
Has been active in their other threads but it appears they're avoiding this one..

They have pretty much all the info they need... If they need help they'd continue to ask for it...
I want to keeo giving advice as well as participating in the conversation, but I know we're overloading them.

So maybe this thread should be locked for now...
And op can make a new thread if they need more help..

 

[Priceless67]

I have a 100 liter tank and in it I have
3 angelfish
2 male betta who are not fighting!
2 female betta
6 guppy
11 neon tetra
2 gold fish
2 sword tail fish
3 tiger barb fish
1 Pleco
am I overstocking the tank
and I also have two types of internal filters in it I don't know if it's a good thing or not please give some comments if you can guys.

I wil post photos of them shortly.

The pleco will only grow as big as the tank, the goldfish can be in a heated tank and the mystery fish is a rainbow rasbora

 

[Lynn78too]

No one seems to have mentioned that the angels will also eat the neons once the angels get bigger. When you go into a store there should be a tag that says what the size of the fish will be. Those may not be completely accurate but they're not off by 1'.

 

[Cocofish]

I have a 100 liter tank and in it I have
3 angelfish
2 male betta who are not fighting!
2 female betta
6 guppy
11 neon tetra
2 gold fish
2 sword tail fish
3 tiger barb fish
1 Pleco
am I overstocking the tank
and I also have two types of internal filters in it I don't know if it's a good thing or not please give some comments if you can guys.

I wil post photos of them shortly.

I think you should consider selling these as there’s no way you have the space or tank mats to make this work. Sell them take that money and find a small fish you like and put a school of those in to start. Study up and you’ll be fine. But you gotta get rid of these pronto. Your guppies and neon sand sword tale could stay. The rest will have to go pay their rent elsewhere there is no other solution

 

[Heathen]

The pleco will only grow as big as the tank, the goldfish can be in a heated tank and the mystery fish is a rainbow rasbora

This is false-not to jumble the thread. I believe I touched on this in my prior reply, keeping it short and sweet here. Fish do not grow to tank size, the only time this happens is when their body is stunted but their internal organs keep growing. This is not always apparent but it does shorten their life span. Please never assume that a fish will grow to tank size.

 

[AJE]

The pleco will only grow as big as the tank, the goldfish can be in a heated tank and the mystery fish is a rainbow rasbora

So you want him to stunt the pleco’s growth?

 

[HobbyJohnny]

I have a 100 liter tank and in it I have
3 angelfish
2 male betta who are not fighting!
2 female betta
6 guppy
11 neon tetra
2 gold fish
2 sword tail fish
3 tiger barb fish
1 Pleco
am I overstocking the tank
and I also have two types of internal filters in it I don't know if it's a good thing or not please give some comments if you can guys.

I wil post photos of them shortly.

Your tank is incredibly overstocked. Try using AQAdvisor. It is a GREAT website for pairing up fish within a tank. It will even tell you if your filtration is adequate for the tank size and the load you put on it. My angelfish setup has 2 angelfish, 5 cherry barbs, 2 gouramis, a bristlenose, and 5 (3)black/(2)white skirt tetras. I run a Fluval 30, and it does a great job of it. It is important to monitor the cycle within your tank; are your ammonia, nitrate, and nitrite levels where they need to be?

I highly suggest checking out AQAdvisor. A lot of those fish will not be compatible when they get older; especially the betta and the angels. They love flashy fish for sure.

Also, are you not running substrate? Substrate is essential for good bacteria...

 

[Coradee]

And another page & a half later the Op is still being told they’re overstocked & bombarded with questions & suggestions despite being asked in post #31 to give the Op a chance to respond first. Because of this, this thread is being closed.
Chikoto if you would like this reopening please contact one of the mods, or if you prefer, start a new thread.
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