Thinking About Adding A Anglefish To My Tank.

[Do0kski]

Been debating on what fish I wanted to add to my community tank. I need something that stands out, bigger than the rest, can be alone, (2 max), so I decided an Anglefish would be a good fit... I think..

Before buying them I wanted to get some advice. First, can you really keep an Anglefish alone? I'll probably get two, even then, will it be happy? Second, do you think ill have an issue with my tank mates being aggressive to the Anglefish, and vice-versa? The only real concern I have is my Tetras beating up the Angle. I don't have any problems with them right now but when my Betta was in the tank the Tetras nipped at the Bettas fins. It happened over time, and when I actually caught on (looked at an old picture of the Betta) he was pretty beat up. Jerks.
Any other issues I should think about?

My tank is a 40G breeder tank.
I have like 14 guppies, 12 neon tetras, 2 yoyo loaches, panaqolus pleco, and a ton of shrimp.
Because someone always asks, Ammonia:0, Nitrite:0, Nitrate:0.5.

Thanks!

 

[kallililly1973]

I think once your Angels grow up most of your guppies and neons would become snacks....Why not a male pearl gourami with a couple female pearl gouramis depending on the temp your tank is... I believe neons and guppies like it in the low to mid 70's where as Angels like it on the warmer side.. I know there are Gouramis that will fit well with your stock as well as possibly Rams or Apistos....but wait for others to chime in...But I think your asking for a holocaust if u add an angel or 2 especially if they become a breeding pair..

 

[Noroomforshoe]

I would be more worried that the guppies would be fin nippy then the neons. that would be my biggest concern. It would be years before he was large enough to see the neons as food, and well, if the neons can doge the yoyos... FYI, cosider getting 3+ more yoyos, they should be in a shoal.
About angelfish -
You can keep just one, but,
The smaller ones, body the size of a half dollar or less, are schooling fish, so if you buy just one, or really if you buy less then 5 they will be much more sensitive.
As they grow, they become teritorial and they also look for life long mates. the males get extra territorial, especial if the pair up. so you have to have rehome some.

If you buy 2, it could work. or you could end up with 2 mails that are territorial. Or you could end up with a mated pair that terrorize the other fish once every couple months when they are laying eggs. mine did this, though the other fish were complient, and no one ever got hurt.

So , a gourami could work instead, but I would have the same concerns of it getting nipped by the guppies.

What about kribensis cichlids?

 

[Do0kski]

I would be more worried that the guppies would be fin nippy then the neons. that would be my biggest concern. It would be years before he was large enough to see the neons as food, and well, if the neons can doge the yoyos... FYI, cosider getting 3+ more yoyos, they should be in a shoal.
About angelfish -
You can keep just one, but,
The smaller ones, body the size of a half dollar or less, are schooling fish, so if you buy just one, or really if you buy less then 5 they will be much more sensitive.
As they grow, they become teritorial and they also look for life long mates. the males get extra territorial, especial if the pair up. so you have to have rehome some.

If you buy 2, it could work. or you could end up with 2 mails that are territorial. Or you could end up with a mated pair that terrorize the other fish once every couple months when they are laying eggs. mine did this, though the other fish were complient, and no one ever got hurt.

So , a gourami could work instead, but I would have the same concerns of it getting nipped by the guppies.

What about kribensis cichlids?

Thanks for the input! I definitely don't want to get an angel if it's going to become a problem. That's crazy that guppies are nippers! I never saw this in my tank. I don't disregard the possibility though. I'm going to get more loaches too. I originally got the 2 to help with the trumpet snail population and ones bulling the other now. I also switch up my decor in my tank once a month to help with territorial issues, might be why no one nips in my tank now. I always try giving them something new to look at. Ohhhh I definitely would get a cichlid! I always wanted one but every time I look into it everyone always says they are supper aggressive.

 

[Little fry babies]

Guppies, mollies, platties, swordtils, tetras; they are all fin nippers to bettas and other fish with long flowing fins. I used to keep mollies swords tetras and platties but got tired of them being so nippy and over breeding so now I stock with cichlids, botia loach, sharks and other types of semI aggressive fish .Although the "peaceful" nippers are gorgeous and small, I personally don't like to keep them any more. But it depends on your preference just be careful with angels, bettas and other fish that have long fins.

 

[aussieJJDude]

Angel's grow quickly. Mine regularly obtain sizes large enough to eat small fish like neons after a year from a small dime stage. Angels have big mouths, and will eat fish like neons without issues.


I second the pearl gourami suggestion. It would look nice in there, or a moonlight gourami?

(Also second the idea of rams/apistos, they really gorgeous fish and would also add some interest to the bottom layer)

 

[Little fry babies]

I think once your Angels grow up most of your guppies and neons would become snacks....Why not a male pearl gourami with a couple female pearl gouramis depending on the temp your tank is... I believe neons and guppies like it in the low to mid 70's where as Angels like it on the warmer side.. I know there are Gouramis that will fit well with your stock as well as possibly Rams or Apistos....but wait for others to chime in...But I think your asking for a holocaust if u add an angel or 2 especially if they become a breeding pair..

I agree. You cannot go wrong with gbrs. They are a great addition to the peaceful community. I had three gbrs and one electric blue ram. Loved them .

Thanks for the input! I definitely don't want to get an angel if it's going to become a problem. That's crazy that guppies are nippers! I never saw this in my tank. I don't disregard the possibility though. I'm going to get more loaches too. I originally got the 2 to help with the trumpet snail population and ones bulling the other now. I also switch up my decor in my tank once a month to help with territorial issues, might be why no one nips in my tank now. I always try giving them something new to look at. Ohhhh I definitely would get a cichlid! I always wanted one but every time I look into it everyone always says they are supper aggressive.

It depends what other specoes you stock your cichlid with and big your tank is, and what type of cichlid you want .African cichlids like mbunas are really territorial and they are a species only tank .I tried keeping mine with my red tail shark and aulonocara peacock cichlids and it didn't pan out so well .my tank is a 60 gallon tall also. Some people can make it work, but for me, it didn't go over so well.

 

[angelcraze]

Angels and GBRs like the temp too high for neon tetras. I also agree the neons could make a nice snack for a full grown angel. They are better with smaller fish if they grow up with some, but I personally wouldn't trust them with fish that easy to swallow. I agree with everyone, I'd look at a gourami or two instead of angels with the fish you have atm.

Btw, Bolivian Rams don't need the temp so high. Mid 70s is ok I believe. But the neons won't tolerate the 82°f temps that GBR and morphs require. I don't keep my GBRs any lower (absolute min) than 80°f and that is too warm for neons.

 

[Little fry babies]

Angels and GBRs like the temp to high for neon tetras. I agree with everyone, I'd look at a gourami or two instead of angels with the fish you have atm.

Btw, Bolivian Rams don't need the temp so high. Mid 70s is ok I believe. But the neons won't tolerate the 82°f temps that GBR and morphs require. I don't keep my GBRs any lower (absolute min) than 80°f and that is too warm for neons.

Ohh I don't keep neons any more so I forgot about the temp difference from the gbr. Sorry about that.

 

[angelcraze]

Ohh I don't keep neons any more so I forgot about the temp difference from the gbr. Sorry about that.

No worries, I didn't mean to call you out or anything! I didn't know about the cooler temp requirements about neons until recently either. I love my GBRs and EBRs (RIP) too!

So much to consider when stocking, some things are easily missed.

 

[Little fry babies]

No worries, I didn't mean to call you out or anything! I didn't know about the cooler temp requirements about neons until recently either.

Lol no worries there, either. There is always something new to learn in this hobby. I honestly never knew that. Lol. Then again I didn't have mine very long. And I think their temp was at 78° when I did have them .they were with my betta.

 

[angelcraze]

Lol no worries there, either. There is always something new to learn in this hobby. I honestly never knew that. Lol. Then again I didn't have mine very long. And I think their temp was at 78° when I did have them .they were with my betta.

Well they will do much better at the mid 70s. Not that the higher temps (I really think 80°f should be absolute max) will kill them directly necessarily, but may weaken the immune and shorten lifespan.

FYI Cardinal tetras look similar and prefer the warmer temps even over mid 70s.

 

[Little fry babies]

Well they will do much better at the mid 70s. Not that the higher temps (I really think 80°f should be absolute max) will kill them directly necessarily, but may weaken the immune and shorten lifespan.

Aw that's sad .yeah that makes sense, to me. Fish are very sensitive and susceptible to different things so water temps are definitely important to their well being. Its necessary to inform others so everyone is aware. Also the temps for tropical fish varies, and while keeping temps at 80° to keep ich at Bay, nit all fish species can tolerate the 80° heat variant .so I completely appreciate your feedback and did not take offense to it.

 

[Do0kski]

So, I've decided to go with a flame dwarf gourami. Hopefully it's actually a dwarf anyway. God only knows what the people at the fish stores say. Per them guppies can get up to a foot( not including fins )... lol all I could think is what chemical plant waste gate you getting your guppies from?. He seems to be a good fit. A little bigger then the rest so he pops and he's still a juvenile so he should grow more. Hopefully he keeps his cool and doesn't try hurting the rest. Probably set up a 55 gallon soon and get angles for that tank. One thing I learned I'd pick your display fish first and then build the tank mates around that.