So I searched black rams on google and stumbled across this thread. I just spent 3 hours reading the whole thing like a book. The ups! The downs! And a happy ending. Wow. Best thread I’ve seen in years. I’ve been a member of another forum since 2006 but tonight I signed up here because of this post. I appreciate the commodore among aquarists I saw here tonight. And Biz, you pushed through! I felt your excitement and disappointments as I read. I’m so happy you succeeded! And despite the fact I’ve been fishkeeping for 20 years, I learned A LOT tonight. So thank you for keeping up with this thread and pushing through!
Well, I'm jumping on the 'I'm new here and just made an account to follow this epic saga' wagon. Seriously though this was an amazing thread to read and I came across it while looking through google for all things Black Ram related. I am seriously looking at adding a pair of black rams (eventually) to my new tank but I'm not 100% sold on them vs the regular german blue. I'm still debating which I'll end up adding but, luckily, I've got time to decide and I'm not in any rush.
Anyway, seriously thank you so much for sharing your story with us. Reading about your successes and failures was great and I was so rooting for you the whole way, especially since I think you mentioned you are from MN and I gotta support my fellow Minnesotans. About halfway through when you said you were done and not breeding rams I was so disappointed, I was sure that you could figure it out, but I hoped that (since there were still many pages left to read) you might switch your mind or something else would happen to keep you trying. I was beyond happy when you did just that and gave it another try thanks to some support and help from another breeder. And now, success!! Congrats on the journey and finally being able to get everything right. I look forward to seeing more updates and watching those babies grow and develop!
Some info I was given was that BB rams tend to me small and weak compared to Bb and the bb rams. The Bb rams tend to grow faster then the BB rams but slower then the bb rams. It was also recommended to cross in a gold ram or a black/dark ram from a different breeder after a few generations of breeding to help prevent inbreeding.
BB=True Black(two black genes)
Bb=Black(one black one yellow? gene)
bb=Yellow(no black gene?)
How are your baby rams doing now Biz?
Thank you so much!!! All these warm posts congratulating me on my success.....it is so heartwarming!! It is reminding me just how far I had come! I haven't been very active on this thread over the last few months and my focus has been on my angelfish. I kind of forgot just how big of a deal all these ram babies (young adults now) are! haha. I need to go back and read it all and remind myself how much support I had and how far I came!
MINNESOTA HUH?? There are so few Minnesotans on here! Are you located near the cities??? I can lead you to a shop that regularly carries the black rams! (and a couple other really great fish stores!) I also have a ton of young rams left that are already sexable. They have a black dad and a non-black mom. (but the mom had black parents I believe) I am located just north of downtown st. paul if you want to buy some of my rams, or angels! The angels I will be selling in the next couple months will be sexually mature adults from my KEEPERS. So they are really excellent specimens. I wish I could keep them all!!
You should also plan to come to the Minnesota Aquarium society auction in October. Those are really fun!
That is the whole thing with the "DD" . Liz knows I am not understanding genetics but there is still no way to tell by looking if a dark ram is "DD" ?
bizaliz3 - I am located near the cities! Just south of the cities actually but I work a little closer to the north end of things. I'm guessing you probably don't live that far from me if you are north of downtown. I also would love to hear your recommendations on shops and I wonder if they are not some of the shops that I already visit. If I have the opportunity to buy though you and have a pair of your "legacy fish"....hey I don't know if I could pass that up!! I am so excited to get some rams in my tank I can barely stand it. Water parameters are still all reading steady and if that continues through the end of the week I'm calling this tank cycled. As for the angelfish....I've always loved angels but never owned them. I'm afraid that with my current setup (32.5 gal tank) that I wouldn't be giving them adequate room considering I want my pair of rams and cardinal tetras.
I just saw something about the Minnesota Aquarium Society and the auction. I would love to go but I can't seem to find anything about the date/time on the website...do I need to be a member to see that info?
Very nice! We have a great breeder with out club that breeds all the varieties of rams. I will be getting some in the future when I can fit them into the stock of the tanks I am keeping up permanently
I've grown very attracted to the gold Rams. I think they are underrated! I'll probably get some golds one day!