Pale Honey Gourami

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What is the water volume of the tank?
75 gallons

How long has the tank been running?
A little under a year.

Does it have a filter?
Yes, it is running two Ehiem Canister filters.

Does it have a heater?
Yes, two heaters.

What is the water temperature?
74 degrees.

What is the entire stocking of this tank? (Please list all fish and inverts.)
6 Honey Gourami, 6 Bolivian Rams, 4 Peacock Gudgeons, 24 Neon Tetras, 12 KuhlI Loaches (or at least there were that many when I last saw them), 8 Ottos, and a whole bunch of pest snails (various types).


Maintenance
How often do you change the water?
Once every week or two (I'm not always as on top of it as I should be, but the water parameters are always good).

How much of the water do you change?
Around 30%, I think.

What do you use to treat your water?
Nothing. I know that this is kind of odd, but I have water that comes straight out of a well, and it is perfect for the fish completely untreated. They have lived in this water for a year now and o issues, so I'm sure this isn't it.

Do you vacuum the substrate or just the water?
I try to vacuum the substrate every time I change the water.

*Parameters - Very Important
Did you cycle your tank before adding fish?
Yes, the tank has been cycled the whole time they've been in there.

What do you use to test the water?
The API Freshwater test kit, though I don't test my water very often anymore unless something's wrong.

What are your parameters? We need to know the exact numbers, not just “fine” or “safe”.

Ammonia: 0
Nitrite: 0
Nitrate: 20 or maybe a little higher (certainly higher than I'd like, I'll do a water change as soon as possible)
pH:

Feeding
How often do you feed your fish?
Once a day.

How much do you feed your fish?
A few pinches of pellets or half of a cube of frozen brine shrimp. I also add a few sinking pellets in at night for the loaches, and some algae supplements for the Ottos every few days.

What brand of food do you feed your fish?
Do you feed frozen or freeze-dried foods?

Illness & Symptoms
How long have you had this fish?
A bit under a year (around 10-11 months, I think)

How long ago did you first notice these symptoms?
Around two or three days ago.

In a few words, can you explain the symptoms?
Turned pale, lethargic and sits on the bottom/rests on plants all the time.

Have you started any treatment for the illness?
Not yet, I'm not sure how to proceed.

Was your fish physically ill or injured upon purchase?
No, not that I can tell.

How has its behavior and appearance changed, if at all?
It's lethargic and sits on the bottom all the time, doesn't seem to move at all unless another fish harasses it.


Explain your emergency situation in detail. (Please give a clear explanation of what is going on, include details from the beginning of the illness leading up to now)
A couple of days ago I noticed that one of my gourami was looking very pale and just sitting on the bottom of the tank. I've seen them hang out near the bottom before, but this one is just sitting there and I don't see it move very much, unless another fish bothers it. He looks pretty bad, so I'm really worried about him. None of the other fish seem to be having issues, so I'm not sure what the problem could be. Could the fish be reacting badly to the slightly elevated nitrates? Could it have been physically injured somehow? I doubt that it is a contagious disease, since there have been no new additions for several months. Any ideas?
 

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Do a water change and could you get us pictures

Thanks, I'm going to try and get the water changed tomorrow, and I can't seem to find the little guy right now (light's already gone out for the night and it's hard to see in there without it), I'll get you guys a picture as soon as I can find him.
 
uh oh, sorry about your gourami!
unfortunately, i'm not very sure of how to help. I have a honey gourami that acted in a very similar way before it died a week later, and I have yet to figure out why. your case may be entirely different than mine, though.

I wouldn't take the risk, the disease may happen to be contagious, (in my case, it was) so if the honey seems strong enough to handle it, move it to a hospital tank. after all, it'll make it easier to medicate. but, again, i'm not so sure what we're medicating for.

i'm fairly inexperienced with identifying and treating disease, so i'm not the best person to go to IMO. I just have a love for honey gouramis.
 
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uh oh, sorry about your gourami!
unfortunately, i'm not very sure of how to help. I have a honey gourami that acted in a very similar way before it died a week later, and I have yet to figure out why. your case may be entirely different than mine, though.

I wouldn't take the risk, the disease may happen to be contagious, (in my case, it was) so if the honey seems strong enough to handle it, move it to a hospital tank. after all, it'll make it easier to medicate. but, again, i'm not so sure what we're medicating for.

i'm fairly inexperienced with identifying and treating disease, so i'm not the best person to go to IMO. I just have a love for honey gouramis.

Well, I appreciate yours and everyone else's help, but unfortunately the little guy is no longer with us. The first time I found him like this a few days ago, he looked rough and I didn't have a lot of hope for his recovery, but he was still moving and doing some stuff. When I did a water change earlier today, I found him laying on his side on the bottom of the tank. I think that the current created by the water change basically blew him out of his hiding spot, and he looked bad. His stomach was swollen, he couldn't sit upright (he could move somewhat when frightened, but couldn't seem to go very far, had no strength, and couldn't seem to stay upright), was deathly pale, and could barely move. Looking at him, I just couldn't see any way he could recover, so I decided to euthanize. This is my absolute least favorite part of fish keeping, but I do feel like it was the right decision . I'll keep a close eye on everyone else, but they all seem fine, so I don't think what he had was contagious.
 

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Well, I appreciate yours and everyone else's help, but unfortunately the little guy is no longer with us. The first time I found him like this a few days ago, he looked rough and I didn't have a lot of hope for his recovery, but he was still moving and doing some stuff. When I did a water change earlier today, I found him laying on his side on the bottom of the tank. I think that the current created by the water change basically blew him out of his hiding spot, and he looked bad. His stomach was swollen, he couldn't sit upright (he could move somewhat when frightened, but couldn't seem to go very far, had no strength, and couldn't seem to stay upright), was deathly pale, and could barely move. Looking at him, I just couldn't see any way he could recover, so I decided to euthanize. This is my absolute least favorite part of fish keeping, but I do feel like it was the right decision . I'll keep a close eye on everyone else, but they all seem fine, so I don't think what he had was contagious.
i'm very sorry. it's always hard to see them go.
 
I just lost a powder blue gourami last night. It had pretty much the same symptoms. Started with hiding in the cave more than usual about 10 days ago. The fish still had great appetite though and would come out of the cave every time I fed. With each passing day I started to notice the fish slow down and having hard time chasing its food (granules/flakes/worms) and soon it started having issues swimming. Even then, the fish still had appetite. It showed no other symptoms. Color was great, nothing looked abnormal externally, no bloating or anything. Yesterday I found it sitting on the bottom breathing rapidly. My guess is since it couldn't swim up to the surface to get some air, it was basically suffocating. I transferred it to a 10gal and only filled it halfway to make it shallow. Unfortunately it did not make it through the night. I'm thinking this might be some sort of dwarf gourami specific disease.
 
the only dwarf gourami disease I know about is dgiv (dwarf gourami iridovirus,) but from what i've heard it doesn't affect honies.

in my case, the disease was contagious. a few days after my honey gourami started to behave like this, one of my guppies fell ill too. it was turning pale and resting at the bottom just like the honey. though something exclusive to the honey was a tumor that ended up growing near its caudal fin.

i'm sorry for your loss, UnderwaterGalaxy
 
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the only dwarf gourami disease I know about is dgiv (dwarf gourami iridovirus,) but from what i've heard it doesn't affect honies.

in my case, the disease was contagious. a few days after my honey gourami started to behave like this, one of my guppies fell ill too. it was turning pale and resting at the bottom just like the honey. though something exclusive to the honey was a tumor that ended up growing near its caudal fin.

i'm sorry for your loss, UnderwaterGalaxy

I'll just hope that what mine had isn't what yours had, I'd rather no one else get sick. It's weird, because it's been months since I added any new fish and nothing about the tank has changed drastically lately, so I'm hoping maybe he just managed to hurt himself really badly or something.
 

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