Blue Gourami Sick

[Pfrozen]

What's the difference?

well, the blue ones are blue. lol. maybe its just your lighting?

 

[kumorisan]

well, the blue ones are blue. lol. maybe its just your lighting?

Yeah... lighting's not the best.

 

[Dunk2]

Blue Gourami Care - Size, Life Span, Tank Mates, Breeding

 

[Dunk2]

jinjerJOSH22 Any advice?

 

[jinjerJOSH22]

Hi, like some above comments the tank size is too small for these Gourami, who while aggressive are actually quite social. I always recommend a 4ft tank to keep a group of 4 plus fish.

Yup those are Opaline or three-spot gouramis.. those aren't the blue colormorph though, just regular old opaline gouramis

These are the Blue variant, usually just called Three Spots, as the three spots are visible

 

[Pfrozen]

Hi, like some above comments the tank size is too small for these Gourami, who while aggressive are actually quite social. I always recommend a 4ft tank to keep a group of 4 plus fish.


These are the Blue variant, usually just called Three Spots, as the three spots are visible

Thanks Josh, I didn't know that I thought the three spot was another name for the opaline variant lol

 

[jinjerJOSH22]

Thanks Josh, I didn't know that I thought the three spot was another name for the opaline variant lol

Just to be clear, Opaline, Blue, Gold, Lavender, Platinum are some of the colour variations of the Three Spot Gourami(Trichopodus Trichopterus).

 

[Dunk2]

kumorisan I’d take the advice of jinjerJOSH22. He skips birthdays AND birthday CAKE for gourami.

 

[kumorisan]

kumorisan I’d take the advice of jinjerJOSH22. He skips birthdays AND birthday CAKE for gourami.

Yes! Thanks for the advice jinjerJOSH22.

 

[Pfrozen]

Just to be clear, Opaline, Blue, Gold, Lavender, Platinum are some of the colour variations of the Three Spot Gourami(Trichopodus Trichopterus).

lol ah that makes more sense now. I've never even heard of the Lavender and Platinum variants though those sound neat!

 

[Dunk2]

Yes! Thanks for the advice jinjerJOSH22.

Unfortunately, we can’t always rely on the advice of fish store employees. Remember, they’re in the business of selling fish. So. . . Research first!

 

[DoubleDutch]

Isn't this "variaty" in fact not the wild / natural type?

I can't see the upper fish that well but could it be these also are two males ?
Adding to the issue

 

[ProudPapa]

What kind of gouramis can be kept together? Could I keep them all in my 20-gallon?

As mentioned above, a small group of honey gouramis (more females than males) should work. Sparkling gouramis might be another option, but you'd need a fairly large group to disperse aggression, and I'd probably only recommend them if your tank is at least moderately planted.

 

[Kribensis27]

Isn't this "variaty" in fact not the wild / natural type?

I can't see the upper fish that well but could it be these also are two males ?
Adding to the issue

They’re not naturally found like this. I believe the natural coloration is closest to the “lavender” color morph. In the wild, they’re mostly brown with a purple shine. It could be two males, although I think just two of the same species is enough to trigger this kind of aggression.

 

[DoubleDutch]

They’re not naturally found like this. I believe the natural coloration is closest to the “lavender” color morph. In the wild, they’re mostly brown with a purple shine. It could be two males, although I think just two of the same species is enough to trigger this kind of aggression.

Are you sure ?

 

[Kribensis27]

Are you sure ?

Ok, I did some research. Looks like I was half right. I was always informed that the lavender morph was the only naturally occurring one, however it appears there are actually two. The lavender being one subspecies, and the blue being the other. The opaline, gold, and platinum are all selectively bred.

 

[jinjerJOSH22]

Ok, I did some research. Looks like I was half right. I was always informed that the lavender morph was the only naturally occurring one, however it appears there are actually two. The lavender being one subspecies, and the blue being the other. The opaline, gold, and platinum are all selectively bred.

I don't think this is quite right either as the Lavender morph is achieved by breeding the Blue and Gold Morphs. The Blue with the clear black spots are the closest to the natural fish you would find in the wild.

 

[Kribensis27]

I don't think this is quite right either as the Lavender morph is achieved by breeding the Blue and Gold Morphs. The Blue with the clear black spots are the closest to the natural fish you would find in the wild.

Ok, then I guess this is different from the lavender. It looks fairly similar, just more brown. I ended up just saying lavender because it looks kinda like it. Sorry!

 

[jinjerJOSH22]

Browny Blue is also a natural colouration

 

[Hbln]

Hi all, I'm new to this forum but I'm hoping someone can help, my blue gourami looks like he may be unwell, I have recently had 1 blue gourami die with no symptoms and I do not want to loose another one. I have copied and pasted the template below.
I have been keeping aquariums for about 10 years, I started with a small coldwater aquarium and have gradually upgraded, I have recently made the jump to a tropical aquarium. Over this time I feel as though I have encountered almost everything fishkeeping has to offer, from fish TB (huge death rate and a full tank restart) to the minor fin rot gone in a couple of days with medication. I am literally always googling and researching fish and new aquarium keeping tips and I have finally decided to join a forum as tropical fish are new to me.

Tank
What is the water volume of the tank? 225L
How long has the tank been running? 6 months (previously set up for coldwater fish for 3 years)
Does it have a filter? Yes External canister Fluval 307
Does it have a heater? Yes Fluval E 300 series
What is the water temperature? 25.5
What is the entire stocking of this tank?
3 blue gouramis, 3 gold gouramis, 1 moonlight gourami, 2 pearl gouramis, 6 nerite snails.

Maintenance
How often do you change the water? once a week
How much of the water do you change? 20%
What do you use to treat your water? API Stress coat
Do you vacuum the substrate or just the water? Both

*Parameters - Very Important
Did you cycle your tank before adding fish? Yes
What do you use to test the water? API Master test kit, API GH and KH test kit
What are your parameters? We need to know the exact numbers, not just “fine” or “safe”.
Ammonia: 0
Nitrite: 0
Nitrate: 40
pH: 7.4

Feeding
How often do you feed your fish? once daily
How much do you feed your fish? Small sprinkle
What brand of food do you feed your fish? King British
Do you feed frozen or freeze-dried foods? Freeze-dried

Illness & Symptoms
How long have you had this fish? 4 months
How long ago did you first notice these symptoms? 1 day
In a few words, can you explain the symptoms? Loosing colour, very pale, looking lethargic, seems to be struggling to swim, sitting at top back corner of tank, have noticed small raised lump on both sides of fish near base of tail and clamped fins.
Have you started any treatment for the illness? Tank is currently being treated for minor fin rot with API Melafix
Was your fish physically ill or injured upon purchase? No
How has its behaviour and appearance changed, if at all? Loosing blue colour, still eating fine.

Explain your emergency situation in detail.
6 days ago I lost a blue gourami and was unsure why, I did not notice any symptoms with the fish or problems with the tank. 3 days ago I noticed 2 gouramis suddenly showing signs of minor fin rot, immediately starting treating the tank with API Melafix, all fish have been having normally and eating normally. Since yesterday morning one of my blue gouramis has started to behave in an odd way, appears to have lost its colour, its black spots are still very clear, he will sit up in the top corner of the tank for a while and will be slightly active trying to swim with clamped fins but will keep going back to the corner. Today a lump on both sides of the body has appeared, just above the tail. I have managed to get a photo of him below.

 

[jinjerJOSH22]

Hi, welcome to Fishlore.

Firstly I suggest to stop using Melafix in this tank. While I can't say anything for sure I've read that it can damage the Labyrinth organ anabantoids have and use to breath at the surface.
For fin rot, keeping the water quality up is often enough to combat it without the need of medication. Uping the water changes to 50% per week is a good practice to follow.

Have you added anything recently fish, plants etc..?
Could it be aggression from the other Gourami? It's fairly normal for this species and can at times go too far. How many Blue/Gold males do you have? Too many can be a real issue.

It's quite hard to see that photo with the background, more photo's might help as well as photo's of the other Gourami.

 

[Shamannite80]

I agree with Josh, stop using melafix. It isn't good for the labyrinth organ on air breathing fish. From my experience you are going to have trouble with that stocking. Gourami are notorious for being ***holes to each other, even across species. How many males and females do you have? If that one is the smallest male, the others cold be picking on him.

 

[Hbln]

Wow, thank you! I wasn't aware it was bad for labyrinth organs. I will stop using straight away and do a water change first thing in the morning to remove. Are there any recommended medications for labyrinth fish in case of disease? I have always used Melafix and Pimafix where needed before for fish (not had gouramis before).
No new plants, only new species are the Nerite Snails.
Gourami sexes are, 1 male 1 female pearl, 3 female gold and 1 male 2 female blue and the Moonlight is male.
The fish that died a week ago was the smallest and now this one looking unwell is the smallest. I've not seen anyone picking on anyone, everyone always seems very chilled and gets on with their own thing other than the pearls who are like a married couple.
I can get some more photos taken in the morning as everyone is asleep.

 

[Hbln]

Hello!

So update on Blue Gourami, he is looking a little brighter today, is swimming a bit better, hasn't been isolating so much and has barely clamped his fins. I did notice some clear stringy poop from him today though.

I have taken a few new photos of all the Gourami.

 

[Hbln]

Today the gourami was back to being lethargic and isolating himself in the corner of the tank. I have moved him to a Q tank with aquarium salt. Determined to keep this little guy alive. Does anyone have any suggestions as I still have no idea what could be wrong with him?

 

[Skrabbitskrabbit]

Sorry I don’t have suggestions but maybe someone more experienced will chime in. He’s a cute fish!

Also, (sorry it’s unrelated to your thread but) I love your background, do you know where it came from? Hey m looking for one ...

 

[Hbln]

Sorry I don’t have suggestions but maybe someone more experienced will chime in. He’s a cute fish!

Also, (sorry it’s unrelated to your thread but) I love your background, do you know where it came from? Hey m looking for one ...

Thank you! I'm hoping that someone can help and he pulls through.

The background is from All Pond Solutions. I've bought a few from them over the years, great quality. Buy the right length for your aquarium and the width can be cut down easily with a knife. It is mounted with Juwel poster fix, great stuff, you won't need much and makes the picture so much clearer, set aside some time though as it can take a bit to get the air bubbles out and I would recommend flattening the background before hand so your corners stick as the backgrounds come rolled.

 

[Shamannite80]

Sorry I was busy this week. The best thing I've found for them is aquarium salt. Something else that might help is almond leaves. The next best thing is exactly what you did, move him to qt.

 

[Hbln]

Unfortunately the poor thing died today wish I knew why. Hopefully everyone else will be OK.

 

[bettalover101]

thats sad how big is your tank in gallons

 

[Hbln]

Its 55 gallons

 

[bettalover101]

nice tank sorry for your loss a couple of months ago i lost my goldfish from fin rot. myoldest was 6ys and my second oldest was 5ys and they were a pair. so sorry for your loss again its hard when you loose a fish you like.

 

[Skrabbitskrabbit]

Sorry to hear the little guy didn’t make it

 

[Hbln]

Thank you, it's horrible loosing fish, really upsets me, it's all a learning curve and I just want to get to the bottom of it so I don't end up loosing anymore. My display tank is my pride and joy!

 

[WagglePets]

Nope, these are definitely blue gouramis. The manager who suggested these to me said that it was fine to keep 2 together...

I got 2 blue gouramis Yesterday because the pet store lady told me the same thing but I’m assuming she’s wrong