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[LynnwoodFishDad]

I could see why! My daughter has 3 black kuhlis in her tank and they are super playful. I had 3 in mine but the rainbows killed one! I thought they got 2 but the other was chilling in my filter for almost a week! he’s fine and back in the tank now. LOL

Yeah, Pearl Gourami are great, and I think that they fit just fine in your parameter/temperature range for the other fish. The one thing is, I'd recommend getting a pair, because again, they're rather social fish. If you do get pearl gourami, I think that you could add a school of decent sized schooling fish to your tank and be fine. The Butterfly fish, though, would probably eat the schooling fish.

I have one male and 3 female PG. They are fun to watch and are getting interactive with me.

 

[NC122606]

Yeah, Pearl Gourami are great, and I think that they fit just fine in your parameter/temperature range for the other fish. The one thing is, I'd recommend getting a pair, because again, they're rather social fish. If you do get pearl gourami, I think that you could add a school of decent sized schooling fish to your tank and be fine. The Butterfly fish, though, would probably eat the schooling fish.

Would a Pair be a bit over go?

 

[LynnwoodFishDad]

Would a Pair be a bit over go?

I wouldn’t think one extra pearl would be too much, but them I’m likely overstocked!

 

[CMB]

I could see why! My daughter has 3 black kuhlis in her tank and they are super playful. I had 3 in mine but the rainbows killed one! I thought they got 2 but the other was chilling in my filter for almost a week! he’s fine and back in the tank now. LOL

Mine just hide all day, unfortunately. They have a perfect tank, a big amount of space to play in, and nothing aggressive with them, but do they use it? No, they had in their stupid pipes all day lol.

I have one male and 3 female PG. They are fun to watch and are getting interactive with me.

I want an interactive fish, but none of the ones in my big tank will play with me. It's why I'm getting a betta

Would a Pair be a bit over go?

I would say no because you have no other real top dwellers, so they're the only thing occupying that part of the tank. Again, my only note would be to give them plenty of line-of-sight breakers so they can get away from each other when they fight.

I wouldn’t think one extra pearl would be too much, but them I’m likely overstocked!

I wouldn't worry too much, my tank is supposedly understocked, yet it managed to run on a filter rated for a tank 20-30 gallons too small for a week when one of my filters went out, and nothing went wrong.

 

[NC122606]

I wouldn't worry too much, my tank is supposedly understocked, yet it managed to run on a filter rated for a tank 20-30 gallons too small for a week when one of my filters went out, and nothing went wrong.

Wait so, are Keyholes Mid dwellers for the most part or what?
Some places say Mid - Bottom.

 

[FrostedFlakes]

I have nothing to contribute to this thread other than the fact that the use is "so the mods don't go sicko mode" brought a tear to my eye because I found myself the only one saying things go sicko mode, but alas NC122606 is a fellow brother in arms.

I realize my regal-esque vernacular does not fit in very well with the subject of this writing lol.

Anyway don't mind me, carry on.

 

[CMB]

Wait so, are Keyholes Mid dwellers for the most part or what?
Some places say Mid - Bottom.

Mid to bottom dwellers, so they will occupy both spaces, mostly depending on mood. If you're not sure, I think that you can watch videos on them to see where they swim. This also gives you a valid excuse to watch other people's awesome fish all day.

 

[NC122606]

Mid to bottom dwellers, so they will occupy both spaces, mostly depending on mood. If you're not sure, I think that you can watch videos on them to see where they swim. This also gives you a valid excuse to watch other people's awesome fish all day.

I will watch more. xD
I'll tell you about the info I find.

Mid to bottom dwellers, so they will occupy both spaces, mostly depending on mood. If you're not sure, I think that you can watch videos on them to see where they swim. This also gives you a valid excuse to watch other people's awesome fish all day.

Got it, they seem to be Middle Dwellers!

 

[CMB]

Got it, they seem to be Middle Dwellers!

If that's the case, I think that stocking should work great, they won't even bother the corys that much.

 

[NC122606]

So what are we talking about today?

 

[CMB]

So what are we talking about today?

My African Dwarf Frogs are out and about today.

 

[NC122606]

My African Dwarf Frogs are out and about today.

Nice! What are you feeding them?

Also, Now I have like 20 Baby Mollies in the tank because I am away...

 

[CMB]

Nice! What are you feeding them?

The first two days I gave them thawed brine shrimp. I noticed one was scavenging the ground, though, so I have them Omega One Shrimp Pellets today. They seem to like it, one little fatso was scavenging all over the tank. My plan is to give them a nice varied diet from my current fish's food.

Also, Now I have like 20 Baby Mollies in the tank because I am away...

Cool, I've got like 60 baby Bolivian Rams right now. I doubt any will make it very long in my tank, though

 

[NC122606]

Cool, I've got like 60 baby Bolivian Rams right now. I doubt any will make it very long in my tank, though

I do not know what to do because the mollies are not eating the babies and there is no way I am killing them myself. But I cannot have them in there...

 

[CMB]

I do not know what to do because the mollies are not eating the babies and there is no way I am killing them myself. But I cannot have them in there...

Does your lfs take fish? Maybe you could bring them in if they manage to grow up. Also, maybe you should hurry up and get those other fish in there lol

 

[NC122606]

Does your lfs take fish? Maybe you could bring them in if they manage to grow up. Also, maybe you should hurry up and get those other fish in there lol

Ugh, I will not be getting them until Saturday...

 

[CMB]

Ugh, I will not be getting them until Saturday...

Seriously, though, I bet your lfs will at least take them, even if they don't give you store credit. Additionally, I'm certain the fish won't grow that much in just a few days, they'll still be edible size then.

 

[NC122606]

Seriously, though, I bet your lfs will at least take them, even if they don't give you store credit. Additionally, I'm certain the fish won't grow that much in just a few days, they'll still be edible size then.

I have had 10 for about a week and about 2 days ago the other one had babies while I was gone...

How would I capture them?

 

[CMB]

How would I capture them?

Wait until they get a bit bigger. For now your tank stocking is minimal, so bioload isn't a concern. Just leave them in there until they get big enough to really catch, any that make it you take to your fish store, most will probably just get eaten in that time anyway, so then you won't have to worry about it. With the ram babies, it generally takes about 2 weeks for them to all be gone in my community tank, and that's with the Bolivian Rams really trying to keep them alive, not eating them.

 

[NC122606]

Wait until they get a bit bigger. For now your tank stocking is minimal, so bioload isn't a concern. Just leave them in there until they get big enough to really catch, any that make it you take to your fish store, most will probably just get eaten in that time anyway, so then you won't have to worry about it. With the ram babies, it generally takes about 2 weeks for them to all be gone in my community tank, and that's with the Bolivian Rams really trying to keep them alive, not eating them.

Bioload will be ok right if I add fish?

I plan on doing 4 Cories and one Pearl Gourami or ABF.

 

[CMB]

Bioload will be ok right if I add fish?

Won't be a problem. I think that even with the full stock you're looking at, there won't be any issue with the extra baby mollys. Are you going to get more corys and pearl gouramis later on, or are you planning on just the 4 and the one?

 

[NC122606]

Won't be a problem. I think that even with the full stock you're looking at, there won't be any issue with the extra baby mollys. Are you going to get more corys and pearl gouramis later on, or are you planning on just the 4 and the one?

I am not sure about an extra PG but maybe 2-4 more Cories.

 

[CMB]

I am not sure about an extra PG but maybe 2-4 more Cories.

I personally recommend it, IME gouramis are social and so much fun to watch. Why get the gourami and the corys at the same time as opposed to just the corys or just the gourami? Sorry, I'm curious, seems a bit odd.

 

[NC122606]

I personally recommend it, IME gouramis are social and so much fun to watch. Why get the gourami and the corys at the same time as opposed to just the corys or just the gourami? Sorry, I'm curious, seems a bit odd.

I honestly did not want to add to much fish at a time and the fish store does not have the other fish I am looking for.

 

[CMB]

I honestly did not want to add to much fish at a time and the fish store does not have the other fish I am looking for.

Makes sense. Are you planning to quarantine them before adding them in with the mollies or just put them straight in?

 

[NC122606]

Makes sense. Are you planning to quarantine them before adding them in with the mollies or just put them straight in?

Well, I do not have a QT yet and I am planning to put them right in since I do not have one yet. Anything I should put in the main tank?

 

[CMB]

Well, I do not have a QT yet and I am planning to put them right in since I do not have one yet. Anything I should put in the main tank?

Just as long as the tank has decorations and hiding spots, you should be good. In particular, do you have any caves or good hiding spots on the bottom of the you tank? Caves would make the corys feel at home, so you'd see them a lot more. Do you have any floating plants? If not, I might pick some up because it would really help the gourami feel at home. Do you have any pictures of the tank? No particular reason for this one, I just like fish tank pics .

 

[NC122606]

Just as long as the tank has decorations and hiding spots, you should be good. In particular, do you have any caves or good hiding spots on the bottom of the you tank? Caves would make the corys feel at home, so you'd see them a lot more. Do you have any floating plants? If not, I might pick some up because it would really help the gourami feel at home. Do you have any pictures of the tank? No particular reason for this one, I just like fish tank pics .

Yes, I have a cichild cave for the Keyholes. I will get another cave that is a bit smaller for them! I was planning to get some floating plants! Also, yes you can have some pics let me dig them up!

This pic was after a 50% water-change!
Also mollie Pics!

 

[CMB]

Yes, I have a cichild cave for the Keyholes. I will get another cave that is a bit smaller for them! I was planning to get some floating plants! Also, yes you can have some pics let me dig them up!

Sounds great. I would strongly recommend PVC pipes for caves, my kuhlis love them. If you get some aquarium safe silica, you can add sand and they'll be invisible. Sounds like
you know what you're doing with this tank, I'm sure things will go great.

 

[NC122606]

Sounds great. I would strongly recommend PVC pipes for caves, my kuhlis love them. If you get some aquarium safe silica, you can add sand and they'll be invisible. Sounds like
you know what you're doing with this tank, I'm sure things will go great.

The fatter molly had babies a few days ago...

 

[CMB]

View attachment 565079 View attachment 565078 View attachment 565077 View attachment 565076 View attachment 565075 View attachment 565074 View attachment 565073 View attachment 565072 View attachment 565071 View attachment 565070 This pic was after a 50% water-change!
Also mollie Pics!

Awe, those guys are so cute! Tank looks great, one thing I would recommend is more plants. IME fish love them and they make the tank look great. They would also make the fish a lot braver. Anubias and Java Fern are awesome and easy if you want to grab some low work plants.

 

[NC122606]

Awe, those guys are so cute! Tank looks great, one thing I would recommend is more plants.I fish love them and they make the tank look great. They would also make the fish a lot braver.A and Java Fern are awesome and easy if you want to grab some low work plants.

Oh wow, I was also going to get 4 of those. I went to the LFS to get my water tested and it was good and they suggested them because the mollies eat all my banana plants.

 

[CMB]

Oh wow, I was also going to get 4 of those. I went to the LFS to get my water tested and it was good and they suggested them because the mollies eat all my banana plants.

Yeah, these plants are slow growing but almost unkillable. I also love the look of anubias, have you seen my bigger anubias plants?

 

[NC122606]

Yeah, these plants are slow growing but almost unkillable. I also love the look of anubias, have you seen my bigger anubias plants?

No I have not, I have not seen pics of your tanks! I need to see them!

 

[CMB]

No I have not, I have not seen pics of your tanks! I need to see them!

Pictures of my ten gallon are in this thread: https://www.fishlore.com/aquariumfishforum/threads/10-gallon-planted-betta-tank.31994/

I'll try to find some pics of the main tank, but I probably won't be able to find any until tomorrow.

Bonus, now the ten had frogs. Frogs are cute.

 

[NC122606]

Bonus, now the ten had frogs. Frogs are cute.

They are so cute!
Will definitely get some!

 

[CMB]

Alright, here we go. The main tank, or as I call, the barely controlled got mess:

And here's an Otto:

 

[NC122606]

Alright, here we go. The main tank, or as I call, the barely controlled got mess:
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And here's an Otto:
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Oh wow, that is so amazing!

 

[CMB]

Oh wow, that is so amazing!

Thanks, it's surprisingly resilient too. It's survived loss of heaters, loss of filters and power outages without any of the fish passing.

They are so cute!
Will definitely get some!

Mine are insanely shy right now, but they're starting to come out of their shell and they're so cute. Are you going to get them their own little tank or try them in the 29?

 

[NC122606]

Thanks, it's surprisingly resilient too. It's survived loss of heaters, loss of filters and power outages without any of the fish passing.



Mine are insanely shy right now, but they're starting to come out of their shell and they're so cute. Are you going to get them their own little tank or try them in the 29?

Hmmm, not sure about that. I was thinking of getting another tank for an Axolotl. But not for a while!

 

[CMB]

Hmmm, not sure about that. I was thinking of getting another tank for an Axolotl. But not for a while!

Well, you could always do a 10 gallon frog/Betta tank if you have the time and room for it. That's what I'm doing, now I just need the Betta. Also, I want an axotle so badly.... But not as bad as I want some of the land based lizards, it's a toss up between created geckos and anoles whick one I want to keep more.

 

[NC122606]

Well, you could always do a 10 gallon frog/Betta tank if you have the time and room for it. That's what I'm doing, now I just need the Betta. Also, I want an axotle so badly.... But not as bad as I want some of the land based lizards, it's a toss up between created geckos and anoles whick one I want to keep more.

Bettas are ok with frogs?

 

[CMB]

Bettas are ok with frogs?

It's a very strong maybe. You need to find a more docile Betta and be extra careful to make sure the frogs get fed, but it frequently works out well. Required water parameters are almost identical, and they occupy completely different regions of the tank. Give me a few more days, I'll tell you exactly how well it goes

 

[NC122606]

It's a very strong maybe. You need to find a more docile Betta and be extra careful to make sure the frogs get fed, but it frequently works out well. Required water parameters are almost identical, and they occupy completely different regions of the tank. Give me a few more days, I'll tell you exactly how well it goes

Ok, thanks! I really do want to hear how it goes!

 

[CMB]

Ok, thanks! I really do want bto hear how it goes!

Yeah, with any luck I'll be able to pick the fish up in the next couple of days. I plan to try and keep updating the build thread until everyone's settles in, but I can post the info here too, if you like. Honestly, I just hope the Betta doesn't eat my shrimp, they've proven to be rather fun little guys. The frogs are scared of them, and I have no idea why it's so funny to watch them when a shrimp gets too near.

 

[NC122606]

Yeah, with any luck I'll be able to pick the fish up in the next couple of days. I plan to try and keep updating the build thread until everyone's settles in, but I can post the info here too, if you like. Honestly, I just hope the Betta doesn't eat my shrimp, they've proven to be rather fun little guys. The frogs are scared of them, and I have no idea why it's so funny to watch them when a shrimp gets too near.

Your frogs seem to be quite the characters.

 

[CMB]

Your frogs seem to be quite the characters.

They really are. The one that's really eating well sifts through the sand with her front legs and bites at it nose down. Their favorite position seems to be sitting with their faces pointing towards the tank bottom (sometimes this massive being upside down) and they're afraid if their own shadows, unless there's food involved, at which point they can be fearless. I hope they get a bit less nervous as they settle in, because having an animal that swims away and hides when you approach is a bit annoying lol.

 

[NC122606]

CMB
One quick question because I have to go in like 5 minutes.
If I get 2 PGs would if be Male and Female?

 

[CMB]

CMB
One quick question because I have to go in like 5 minutes.
If I get 2 PGs would if be Male and Female?

Yeah, that's what I'd do.

 

[CMB]

Do you know how to sex them? I'd not, here's an article about it: