More Lendler (Limia Tridens x Endlerguppy) fry

[Latrell]

Hehe growing our more Lendler fry they’re about 1month+ of age.

Two possible outcomes:
- 1. A random Limia male in my tank manage to impregnate an endler female. Making these my second ever attempt of F1 Limia tridens x blackbar endlerguppy hybrids
- 2. Mr. Lendler is a fertile hybrid male, and he manage to impregnate an endler female, in turn making them the first ever F2 Limia tridens x Endlerguppy backcrossed to Endlerguppy again. 3/4 Endlerguppy, 1/4 Limia tridens.

I want to believe the second option is the most likely outcome, since I’ve seen him mating with the endler females more successfully. All three fry is different. They colored down but one fry has twin vertical bars, with a thick black dorsal band with a dorsal speck, the second, has one bar on the right side of its body, 2-3 bars on the left side, and a dorsal speck. The third is the biggest of the trio abit more slender, with a very faded vertical bar on its body, with a dorsal speck. I’m really curious how they’ll look when they mature. So far they resemble Mr. Lendler body color, the bars, but not the face, the face is more guppy like, I didn’t take media but they also have the blue iridescent sheen to them.

Either way I’m still happy to have more Lendlers to work with whether they are F1 initial cross or F2 Back cross.

 

[Latrell]

Unfortunately of the three Lendler fry one passed away from wasting diseases a few days ago. But here’s some nice close up comparison with the two Lendlers and a juvenile male black bar endler guppy from my colony. Lendler #2 has a lighter tone more guppy like compare to Lendler #1. You can also see they have a shorter thicker penduncle, they received from their Limia side. As for the eyes is my favorite they have a black sclera. The black bar male was shy in the picture but it’s just developing is black bar pigment just above the chest area.



- Here’s media of both the lendlers separately. Both their left and right side view of their body.

 

[emeraldking]

You need to know when you cross two different species that the offspring "can" still look different from eachother. If you wanna go for one phenotype, linebreeding is in play.

 

[Latrell]

You need to know when you cross two different species that the offspring "can" still look different from eachother. If you wanna go for one phenotype, linebreeding is in play.

You’re right Stan. I’m still abit in the gray area when it comes to this cross since I have one adult specimen plus those two for reference on their phenotype. I mean I do have other sources for other Limia x endler/guppy crosses pehenotypes, it makes sense what you said. I still would have assumed they’ll pull more phenotypical traits from their endler side like concentrated pigment colors besides the bars. Just more of a reason to show using a male Limia with an endler female, Limia seems to be dominant.
- I am trying the reverse cross it might take some time but I’m using a blue star male with a female Limia I raised her from a fry separate from her male counterparts.

 

[emeraldking]

You need to know when you cross two different species that the offspring "can" still look different from eachother. If you wanna go for one phenotype, linebreeding is in play.

When the offspring turns out to be fertile, of course... I forgot to mention that...

 

[Latrell]

When the offspring turns out to be fertile, of course... I forgot to mention that...

Lol agreed, more specimens to work with give me a better odds with fertility.
- Also to add with the reverse cross my hopes I’ll have a better chance on creating a female hybrid. I discussed this with my friends, they were teaching me about Haldane’s Rule, when it comes to make different species hybrids and teaching about different sex chromosome systems on how it’ll affect the sterility of the hybrids. Since Limia and Molly has ZW sex chromosome with endlers and guppies using XY. With me using a male Limia(ZZ) with a female endler(XX). My lendlers are most likely sterile(ZX) mules. And trying with the reverse cross male endler(XY) with a female Limia(ZW). Possibly I get a female I forgot what pairing makes a female for those type of hybrids they said but I think it was ZY or XW. Ik I may never know their sex chromosomes but with that reverse cross if I do get a female it gives an odds it carry one of those two pairings with higher odds of fertility, bc WY offspring will be 100% male.

 

[Latrell]

As of today the fry are 2 months 3 weeks old. As of late I’m able to differentiate the two Lendler fry apart.
- Media one, I took of them last week Wednesday, it’s not the best media of them at that time, but close comparison to the two fry and Mr. Lendler when he was roughly their age. All of them were color downed abit funny enough. Anyways #2 has a slightly lighter hue as I said before and sports twin bars when colored up, as for #1 it’s more of a rust steel tone and sports multiple bars.
- As for the rest of the other medias I took a few hours ago. You can see their phenotype much better, in the two and third picture. One thing i do notice, Lendler #1 is growing at a faster pace than Lendler #2, and personality wise #2 is far more skittish, while #1 is more neutral I’ll say timid in nature.
- Now for the collage medias, I took out my Limia tridens fry to get some nice comparison media between them, the trick I had placed a sinking pellet for them to get them to color up and group up for pictures lol. 4 of the tridens fry are one month older than both Lendlers yet they are smaller in size to them. Goes to show hybrid vigor is in full effect, and they develop fast like their endlerguppy blood, well growing even faster than their endlerguppy blood based on their age. If you can look closely in the collage media you can see Lendler #2 twin bars and it has a translucent yellow dorsal, as for #1 having black streaks on the dorsal. Hmm not sure what else to say really, but they awfully sure can blend in with the tridens fry if it wasn’t for the subtle difference between them. Not sure if it’s noticeable or just me but, the Lendlers both their mouth shapes seems to be ever so slightly pointed upwards. Ig update post I’ll try to get some media of them next to Mr. Lendler. That’ll be awesome to get them all together!

- Here’s some video media.

 

[Latrell]

This is the second ever time I’ve had the Lendlers all together. Pretty nice feeling honestly. The two Lendler juveniles are big enough to be apart of the main tank, but before I had introduced them to the other fishes I decided to scoop them up and Mr. Lendler for group pictures.
Interesting Mr. Lendlers cousins, have a slight more steel blue tone to them, mainly bc their mom was a bluestar(M) x black bar endlerguppy(F) hybrid, compare to Mr’s mom being a Black bar endlerguppy.

 

[Latrell]

I’ll put these here bc it fits the thread, but one of my female endlerguppies dropped fry. I’ve kept her separate with a Limia male since she was a fry herself so these are purposefully 100% Lendler fry. The first two sets were Mr. Lendler and the current twins they were accidents that happened in the main tank. This time around this cross was a controlled crossing. And by that I manage to properly identify them as 2-3 day old fry which I feel abit proud of. Now these three I took with a digital microscope to get a sort of clear upclose shot of them. They are just examples, but I have like 1-2 other fry I was too exhausted to take media of bc they are so skittish and wouldn’t stay still… unlike these ones I labeled specimens 1 through 3.
Specimen #1 is a runt with a terrible body form unfortunately but I’ll see how long it’ll live for. Anyways it has feautres I instantly recognized it as a Lendler. It sports a yellow dorsal with a black speck. The microscope was bright but it also has a dark sclera, lighten base body, kink on the back of the head, and forward facing mouth.
Specimen #2 have more guppy features but it also has a kink on the back of its head, lighten base body, dark sclera, and forward facing mouth.
Specimen #3 is the only sibling with an olive gray body at such a young age, but it has darken fins, with faint yellow hue to it, and kink on the back of its head, not shown in its pic but it’s sclera is abit dark as well.
From observing Mr and the twins when they were young it seems majority of the Lendlers (Limia tridens male x endlerguppy female) will inherit yellow dorsal with a speck to darken dorsals/finnage, kink heads, forward facing mouths, dark scleras, and guppy base body slightly. I’ll assume the vertical bars won’t show till after a week or two of age. I need to give the observing specimens proper names to identify them apart when talking about them, but just those three alone I can tell them apart, I’m keeping them in my large breeder net with older endlerguppy fry and their other siblings.

 

[Latrell]

Updated Lendler Twins media. They are coming out nice. I kind of like the plump body form of the bigger sibling, and still liking the slender body of the other.

 

[Latrell]

Comparison media time, with one of the Lendler twins. Compared to a female young adult Limia tridens, this Lendler has the same feminine body shape, looking close in form to his female Limia counter part, but with a endlerguppy base color phenotype. He was abit shy so his vertical bars aren’t fully expressed. But he’s starting to show signs of his preforming gonopodium. I was struggling to catch the other brother for comparison media but maybe another time. This will do for now.

 

[Latrell]

Not much to say just some pics I took this week.
Here’s the twins and Mr. Showing off their differences in iridescence. Twin #1 has more silver-blue, twin two is more blue similar to Mr. When he was younger. As for Mr. In his adult form his blues are not as bright anymore and became a greenish-gold with blue iridescent tones. Very subtle from his blackbar side the females had greenish gold iridescents. Makes me curious if the twins will stay more iridescent that Mr in their adult form keeping the blue, from their bluestar side, with their moms having a blue iridescent sheen to her.

 

[Latrell]

Monthly update:
The slimmer twin finished forming his gonopodium before his chunky brother. He still has some time to go. I do catch him flexing it eventhough it’s not formed yet. Anyways they still have their nice blue iridescence, and their bars is still bold compared to Mr.

 

[Latrell]

Chunky boy gonopodium finally formed pretty late at around 6-7months of age, compare to his brother, Slender boy who got his gonopodium at around 5months of age. Slender boy looks more closer to their male tridens side, with the base body from their endler side. Chunk boy thought he has a more feminine body shape closer in appearance to a female tridens, with slight endler influence in the base body color and thick black reticulation inbetween the scales. I haven’t tested them for fertility yet, but I’ll let it happen on their own. I’m still pretty confident they are mules like Mr. Also I do find it interesting the twins pulled more from their Limia side yet Mr. is a mixture of both sides. Hybrid vigor kicked in pretty late, size wise they are around 1.5-1.6inches. I haven’t actually measured them, just from when they are side by side next to Mr. They are just abit smaller than him in length. I expect they’ll grow for another month, but seeing they have higher wingei blood, I’m not sure if they’ll stay the size they are now. Anyways this project on the Lendlers is over and I’ll be focusing on my other hybrid projects, but if anything interesting shows up I’ll post about them.

Video media:

I didn’t want to use the old thread for Mr. so I’ll put him here. He lost some of his vibrance due to his age. He doesn’t really show off his bars as much anymore. He’s just their living life in the main tank, I see him once in awhile trying to mate with the endler females and tridens females and nothing comes of it. Same case for the twins for now.

 

[Latrell]

Took these pics the other day of Chunky boy colored up. To the left is a islai juvenile that photobombed and right side is slender boy that didn’t want to take pics. Second pic now the Liberty female wanted a turn.

 

[Latrell]

Gotta say Slender boy is looking amazing. He has the best iridescent sheen compare to his brother and Mr.


Chunky boy:


Mr. Lendler is showing signs of aging , he’s gotten pretty dull. I’ve notice he’s has been laying down a lot, swimming sluggish here and there, but he does eat fine. I’m not ready to see him go to be honest, he was my best boy. I don’t get attached to my Livebearers much bc Ik they dont have long lifespans, but Mr. being created by accident meant a lot to me. Through him I got to learn more about the genetics and stuff when it comes to Livebearer breeding and hybrids. I’m hopping he can make it to two years old by next year February but I’m not confident.

 

[Latrell]

The twins are looking vibrant under the flashlight tonight. I really keep forgetting to measure them… but when around Mr. Chunky is about the same length around 1.6 inches, slender boy just a tad bit shorter I’ll say 1.5 inches in length. Still zero luck getting them to impregnate any females. I pretty much just give up, and conclude they are mules, decorative mules at that I’ll say .

 

[Latrell]

Sensitive warning of a unalive fishy, if anyone is reading!!
Not a way to start my morning routine. I seen Mr. was doing terrible his tailfin looked rotted and he developed dropsy his scales raised and all and swimming lopsided. I had no choice but to euthanize him in clove oil. Wrap him in a brown napkin and flush him down once he went to sleep. I took the chance to take the last pics of him. Sigh I haven’t been upset over a fish since my female bn pleco that passed away and I had her for a couple years. Rip my child 12/30/25♥️♥️

Pic 3 and 4 was taken last week he was already looking bad, but still was very active. Only just today it went all downhill…

 

[Latrell]

Twin pics plus their bluestar cousin for size comparison. To think they stopped growing but up close they are very girthy hybrids and they toned down their bars.

 

[Latrell]

The twins are looking extra vibrant blue tonight.

 

[emeraldking]

Now we can see their phenotype much better. They're quite interesting...

 

[Latrell]

Now we can see their phenotype much better. They're quite interesting...

Apologies for not replying, I never got the notification…

They’re still doing great nothing new but still very vibrant. Also colored down abit trying to catch them for display pics. The twins are around 1 year 5 months old. The color and bars still holds up strongly. When Mr was around their age he wasn’t flexing is bars as much and it was starting to fade away completely. Ig with the twins recognizing each other, they still actively spar while showing off to each other and to the females.

 

[Austindounut]

Gotta say Slender boy is looking amazing. He has the best iridescent sheen compare to his brother and Mr.
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Chunky boy:
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Mr. Lendler is showing signs of aging , he’s gotten pretty dull. I’ve notice he’s has been laying down a lot, swimming sluggish here and there, but he does eat fine. I’m not ready to see him go to be honest, he was my best boy. I don’t get attached to my Livebearers much bc Ik they dont have long lifespans, but Mr. being created by accident meant a lot to me. Through him I got to learn more about the genetics and stuff when it comes to Livebearer breeding and hybrids. I’m hopping he can make it to two years old by next year February but I’m not confident.
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Slender Boy looks incredible! I have certainly never seen a limia fish quite like that before. I'm no genetic expert by no means, but it would appear that the endler side of things makes the Limia Tridens colors pop more. As you know Limia Tridens already has a blue iridescence, and a bit of yellow on the fins. It would appear the endler genes are coming through and adding all that bright color you are seeing.

 

[Latrell]

Slender Boy looks incredible! I have certainly never seen a limia fish quite like that before. I'm no genetic expert by no means, but it would appear that the endler side of things makes the Limia Tridens colors pop more. As you know Limia Tridens already has a blue iridescence, and a bit of yellow on the fins. It would appear the endler genes are coming through and adding all that bright color you are seeing.

It really did. Pure tridens are nice but not so flashy as adults, expect the females they have nice blue iridescences shows more on them over the males.

 

[Latrell]

No good news but slender boy passed away the other day. He was just one month younger than Mr. Lendler when he passed at 1 year and 10 month old. Slender boy was 1 year and 9 months old he didn’t look sick but he did have some discomfort not sure exactly no signs of dropsy either. His brother Chunky boy is still kicking very well I expect he will make it to 2years old.

 

[Latrell]

Chunk boy

Probably the last post I’ll do of the Lendlers bc it’s nothing new. I’ve been debating if I should try making lendlers again but the reverse cross using one for the endlers/endlerguppies (maybe a Silverado male or an Orangeline hybrid male) to a female Limia but my only Limia females are the (islai x tridens). Would be fun to just test for fertility with a reverse cross but I know I’ll just end up with sterile mules. And I’m occupied with my main projects ☹️ sigh.

 

[Latrell]

Chunky boy showing signs of aging hopefully he can make it to 2yrs old in late November around the 22nd. He was the first Lendler fry I’ve spotted when he was born. I don’t think I’ve shown the first ever pics of him.


Chunky boy newly born.

 

[Latrell]

Last post of the Lendlers & display media of Chunky boy the Lendler

Like with Mr. Lendler right when they’re about to hit 2 years of age mark their health has been deteriorating. Losing vigor and weight eating less and less. I had no choice but to euthanize him in clove oil. Chunky actually surpassed Mr. in age by uh I think 2 weeks (Chunky 1yr 10months 3.5weeks old very close to being 1yr 11months old. While Mr was 1yr 10months 1-1.5 weeks old) if I can remember. Slender boy being the youngest when he passed at around 1yr 6-7months old. It was a fun project making them. Maybe I’ll purposefully make it again in the future but as of now nope. Rip to the last Lendler.
Now this concludes my experiment with Acanthophacelus species x Limia species. I really enjoyed this project when I first got my Limia tridens and wanting to created my own strain of striped guppies lol. Seeing these guys as fry and sharing my experience with them. It’s something I’m glad I got to share with whoever been keeping up with my threads on them. Thank you for reading this thread.