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Which one do like better and why .
IMO each offer a different advantage.
2 of the choices breed their own discus or they are the same ,and two sell someone else fish straight out ?
I would choose from the two that breed their own . If Ryan did not breed the blues himself then they are Wattley as he is a registered Wattley distributor.
It sounded like Dennis just got them in ..From where ? Asia ,Wattley ?? And DM is just a distributor for Danzinger I believe .Last I talked to Mathias he was not breeding fish himself ,although I heard them mention a warehouse ?
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Good Questions and points.
Which one do like better and why?
I like Dennis Discus. they have the most consistent color and shape.
2 of the choices breed their own discus or they are the same ,and two sell someone else fish straight out ?
Yes, you are correct during my search it appears all of them distribute others fish. According to Ryan he breed them himself but they are originally "Wattley" stock.
It sounded like Dennis just got them in ..From where ? Asia
Yes, from a farm in Malaysia he has had them for 3 weeks.
There is a possibility of getting some from "Hans Discus" but it appears the shipment will not arrive for another 2 weeks and still from a distributor in Baltimore.
I just want to give myself the best opportunity for success, these are not $10 fish. Right now the pricing is relatively the same at $50 per fish (6-8 fish around $400 range). I am well aware there are no guarantees with any breeder I choose, it is all up to me.
So here is the dilemma, when I am successful and want to add more fish, according to the experts I will be limited on the fish I could add ?
From all the research I have done. It appears it not advisable to mix fish from different regions or breeders due to the particular pathogens they carry. Myth or Fact?
Thanks
Good Questions and points.
Which one do like better and why?
I like Dennis Discus. they have the most consistent color and shape.
2 of the choices breed their own discus or they are the same ,and two sell someone else fish straight out ?
Yes, you are correct during my search it appears all of them distribute others fish. According to Ryan he breed them himself but they are originally "Wattley" stock.
It sounded like Dennis just got them in ..From where ? Asia
Yes, from a farm in Malaysia he has had them for 3 weeks.
There is a possibility of getting some from "Hans Discus" but it appears the shipment will not arrive for another 2 weeks and still from a distributor in Baltimore.
I just want to give myself the best opportunity for success, these are not $10 fish. Right now the pricing is relatively the same at $50 per fish (6-8 fish around $400 range). I am well aware there are no guarantees with any breeder I choose, it is all up to me.
So here is the dilemma, when I am successful and want to add more fish, according to the experts I will be limited on the fish I could add ?
From all the research I have done. It appears it not advisable to mix fish from different regions or breeders due to the particular pathogens they carry. Myth or Fact?
Thanks
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I say fact ,BUT one that can be overcome by QT and treatment on a prophylatic level..
Learn about PP my man ..It kills pathogens ,instead beating them up like many meds !
I would get my fish from a breeder. Either Ryan or Wattley . They know their fish better and hopefully will be more responsible about the sale.
I don't hold a lot of respect for those who just sell others fish ..No real skill , ALL LUCK IMO !
Learn about PP my man ..It kills pathogens ,instead beating them up like many meds !
I would get my fish from a breeder. Either Ryan or Wattley . They know their fish better and hopefully will be more responsible about the sale.
I don't hold a lot of respect for those who just sell others fish ..No real skill , ALL LUCK IMO !
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Well all of the breeders/sellers have enough variety that you won’t need to go elsewere. New to me this no mix thing. 2 of your sellers are already doing this. I also never heard of a breeder selling someone else’s fish. Makes him a wholesaler? I also would recommend a breeder. Have you looked into local breeders,hobbyists basement breeders. This is where I got most of my fish years ago. Never had a problem with mixing them. Of course after a month in qt. Never introduced to the tank more than 2 at a time.
As I said before Wattley has been doing this forever.
As I said before Wattley has been doing this forever.
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I may be wrong but I believe there was a discussion about the Asian strains possibly being infected with something like a iridiovirus for discus .Although kept to themselves they may be fine when mixed with American discus usually the Americans suffered an 'unknown' issue leading to total wipe outs shortly after being introduced.
Sorry to speak out of turn [without proof ] but I have little if any 'faith' or belief the Asain markets cares one bit about long term health and sustainability over making a buck . It ain't that cheap to ship live fish from abroad so if they even come close to competing on cost they surely could not have invested as much into breeding and raising them ? Take that for what it is worth from the ram guy ! I sell fish BECASE OF THEM !
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And just another breeder to look at is Macs discus. They have also been around since the 80s. Looked up there web site and they have a lot available. They do breed but I’m not sure of all there stock. They may get from others or they may get others fish and than breed them for sale. Again they’ve been around a long time.
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I wouldn't worry too much about Asian discus if you wait buying them for a few weeks so that you are sure any travel aftermath has gone and they are back to their fuld colors etc. There are some really good breeders in Malaysia, may be worth finding (if you can) where they originate from in Malaysia? Here at the local aquarium fish market in Bangkok I see some great imports from Malaysia. Most of them are shipped to the rest of Asia or Europe at crazy prices. Like elsewhere there is of course also a lot of less than great breeders and it seems that some of the Asian created strains are beginning to suffer from many years of inbreeding, making some strains more difficult to keep than wild discus. Maybe in the end I just made an argument for coralbandit suggestion above
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Yes they have been breeding discus in Asia for as long maybe longer than our American breeders. The premier discus of the 90s were coming from Asia and Germany. What the breeders here did Was buy from these breeders and added those colors into there own fish. I remember Wattley advertising this in the early 90s. Back than all the red colored discus were coming from Asia. Blue diamond and cobalt were coming from Germany.
What surprises me is that after 20+yrs these fish are still hard to keep! I though by now they would have bred these fish stronger and able to live in colder water (78-80). Moving them into community tanks. In the late 80s early 90s discus were popular. Most lfs had at least 5 tanks dedicated to discus. Now your lucky if they have one. Funny thing is the prices went down. Even on this forum not many discus keepers.
What surprises me is that after 20+yrs these fish are still hard to keep! I though by now they would have bred these fish stronger and able to live in colder water (78-80). Moving them into community tanks. In the late 80s early 90s discus were popular. Most lfs had at least 5 tanks dedicated to discus. Now your lucky if they have one. Funny thing is the prices went down. Even on this forum not many discus keepers.
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In terms of temperature there's no incentive for Asian breeders to get it down. Part of the reason (apart of course from any salaries) they can keep the cost down is that no heading of tanks is required. My tank in our living room runs at 29 - 32 Celsius (84 - 90 F) for 11 out of 12 months minimum. I have a couple of heaters for the odd days where it could drop below 29 but for the last 18 months they have been in use maybe 2 days. These temperatures would apply to almost all discus coming from Thailand or Malaysia and probably also Vietnam. I don't know if dropping them to 78 - 80 would impact their immune system and make them "weaker" than their American / European bred cousins?
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I would think most discus would not tolerate cool temps for long .
Much like rams their metabolism slows and their immunity weakens .Even if they lived a year it would not be a good life IMO ..Like rams IMO ,they really need the heat if you want to do them right ..
Much like rams their metabolism slows and their immunity weakens .Even if they lived a year it would not be a good life IMO ..Like rams IMO ,they really need the heat if you want to do them right ..
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I wish I could do wild discus. Here in Texas we have the holy grail of water for African cichlids, puffers, and live bearers. It's why I feel more comfortable keeping Stendker discus over Asian strains.
Also following this thread. Can't wait to see your group. I heavily have considered Wattley because of the astounding quality of his fish, but I think I'll ultimately going with Hans for my discus.
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Thanks for the idea. But no FB for me.
Just an observation: I have been researching for awhile now. Viewed quite a few vids. With all the talk of pristine conditions (water/tank). I noticed some dirty/filthy tanks, even a well known breeder/distributor apologized for the condition of his tanks. during a few of his vids. What?
Well, I have narrowed it down to Dennis Discus and Ryan Discus, With Discus Hans expecting a delivery in a couple of days.
Thanks for the idea. But no FB for me.
Just an observation: I have been researching for awhile now. Viewed quite a few vids. With all the talk of pristine conditions (water/tank). I noticed some dirty/filthy tanks, even a well known breeder/distributor apologized for the condition of his tanks. during a few of his vids. What?
Well, I have narrowed it down to Dennis Discus and Ryan Discus, With Discus Hans expecting a delivery in a couple of days.
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If we for a second forget about the obvious problems that FB has with keeping transparency on the collection and use of our data (or mine in this case...), for a business it is unfortunately a strong tool to promote your product and Santerem Discus is in the business of selling the 4000 wild discus he collects every season.
As a forum to discuss our hobby it is pretty poor and in my opinion reflect the superficiality of most generic social media platforms. I am a member of a couple of FB groups focusing on Discus and they are quite frankly a waste of time. It is mostly a photo gallery with superficial discussions and advice that's often highly questionable. So in line with you and others here I also prefer to invest my time as well as others time helping me, in a forum like this.
As a forum to discuss our hobby it is pretty poor and in my opinion reflect the superficiality of most generic social media platforms. I am a member of a couple of FB groups focusing on Discus and they are quite frankly a waste of time. It is mostly a photo gallery with superficial discussions and advice that's often highly questionable. So in line with you and others here I also prefer to invest my time as well as others time helping me, in a forum like this.
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Update.
Decided on 8x 3"+ Blue Diamonds from "Dennis Discus".
When contacted we spent almost an hour on the phone. He answered all of my questions and then some. Also, sent me a vid of them. See Below:
A Big "Thanks" to all the members that replied here and to my thread for all the information,
https://www.fishlore.com/aquariumfi...s-info-from-successful-discus-keepers.395674/
Due to my schedule should have them in 2 weeks.
Decided on 8x 3"+ Blue Diamonds from "Dennis Discus".
When contacted we spent almost an hour on the phone. He answered all of my questions and then some. Also, sent me a vid of them. See Below:
A Big "Thanks" to all the members that replied here and to my thread for all the information,
https://www.fishlore.com/aquariumfi...s-info-from-successful-discus-keepers.395674/
Due to my schedule should have them in 2 weeks.
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Nice looking discus. Well this thread and Nikm128 have inspired me. I am getting back into Discus. Read how everybody here is always saving Bettas so I decided to save these 2 little guys.
They were a little over an inch big. Way to small to be sold. We’re in the tank for about a month. So they went into my ram tank.
The following week these guys came in so I saved them too. Just ordered a 125 and am preparing for a discus tank . Been a long time and already enjoying these fish. All are eating so far so good.
They were a little over an inch big. Way to small to be sold. We’re in the tank for about a month. So they went into my ram tank. The following week these guys came in so I saved them too. Just ordered a 125 and am preparing for a discus tank . Been a long time and already enjoying these fish. All are eating so far so good.Advertisement
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Right now I’m feeding freeze dried black worms blood and tubeiflex worms also some flake food. They are eating all and the ram are enjoying all the extra food.
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Update: delivered today 10AM - UPS overnight.
8x - 3" Discus doing fine.
Took my time and acclimated them which was not to difficult since the seller and my water are the same pH.
Here is a pic of the tank Nice and Clean yesterday awaiting the new inhabitants.
Next couple of pics of the box label and bags in the Styrofoam container.(triple bagged)
Bags floating for temp . (about 30 mins)
Not the best shot, of acclimating to my water, it was recommended to keep the lights off. Adding 1 cup of water every 15 minutes, once bags are full remove half and start again. Until bags are full, then empty bags using a net then in the tank they went.
"That's all folks" for now. As recommended I will slowly bring the lights up after 4-5 hours. Maybe a pic or even a vid tomorrow. Will not attempt to feed until tomorrow.
Bravo to "Dennis" at
"Very Pleased" with the communication, timely scheduled shipping, packaging and he even e-mailed me asking how it went.
Stay Tuned!
8x - 3" Discus doing fine.
Took my time and acclimated them which was not to difficult since the seller and my water are the same pH.
Here is a pic of the tank Nice and Clean yesterday awaiting the new inhabitants.
Next couple of pics of the box label and bags in the Styrofoam container.(triple bagged)
Bags floating for temp . (about 30 mins)
Not the best shot, of acclimating to my water, it was recommended to keep the lights off. Adding 1 cup of water every 15 minutes, once bags are full remove half and start again. Until bags are full, then empty bags using a net then in the tank they went.
"That's all folks" for now. As recommended I will slowly bring the lights up after 4-5 hours. Maybe a pic or even a vid tomorrow. Will not attempt to feed until tomorrow.
Bravo to "Dennis" at
"Very Pleased" with the communication, timely scheduled shipping, packaging and he even e-mailed me asking how it went.
Stay Tuned!
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Well, despite all the fumbling around I did they survived their first water change (70%). Yeah!
Feeding 3x a day FDBW, Mysis Shrimp and Diskus Gold pellets. Noticed some lip-locking during feeding. Hey guys there is plenty of food for everyone. Also as some of the food eventually sank to the bottom. I noticed the majority of them will actually expel/blow water at the food to raise it up off the bottom then eat it. Also, some are nibbling at the plants.
Here is a pic.
Feeding 3x a day FDBW, Mysis Shrimp and Diskus Gold pellets. Noticed some lip-locking during feeding. Hey guys there is plenty of food for everyone. Also as some of the food eventually sank to the bottom. I noticed the majority of them will actually expel/blow water at the food to raise it up off the bottom then eat it. Also, some are nibbling at the plants.
Here is a pic.
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