I hate these fish

nigelnorris

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I've made all sorts of mistakes in my so-far short journey into fish keeping, but I've not regretted anything as much as buying honey gourami.
Went to the shop, 5 please, if and only if you can sex them for me - 1 male 4 female. No problem says the shopkeeper and puts them in a bag for me. Within a couple of weeks there were two with full mating colours on so I took one back to the shop where the shopkeeper moans about two weeks being too long and excuse and excuse but I made him exchange it. Over the last six months two more have shown to be males. so I have 3 males 2 females. Non stop fighting and bullying ever since. I've two spare tanks which are too small really but I tried separating them out between all three and there is no combination which doesn't result in one or more fish getting bullied.
The constant aggression and violence scares the rest of the fish, my cories are just hiding from them, I've lost three harlequin rasboras because they've jumped out to get away from them. I haven't seen my tetras in weeks. The girl gourami who is bullied most is the palest of straw yellow and is almost translucent, the others never leave her alone she must be terrified, but if I put her into a tank on her own she just looks lost without company, and the other girl then gets three males all kicking the daylights out of her.
My display tank was a proper "my first fish tank" effort, pandas, tetras, rasboras, a few shrimp, and it was lovely, all happy and getting along, utterly, utterly peaceful. And these wretched creatures have spoiled it.
Here's what I'm going to do, all five are going into a bag and first chance I get I'm walking into the shop, putting the bag on the counter and walking out leaving them there, and I hope I never lay eyes on another one.
And if you're reading this, it's all your fault Maidenhead Aquatics.

Oh and to add insult to injury they're now making babies. I saw four fry the other day and I'm so troubled by them I can't even bring myself to look if they're still alive. I hope not.
 

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I wish I had your problem, I've never had great success with honey gouramis, let alone had them breed successfully.
 

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You're not alone. Gouramis are on my all time worst fish list too.
 
Guess I'm crossing Honey Gourami off my want list. Everybody talks about how peaceful they are! I've had singles before and they were lovely.

So sorry you're dealing with this!
 
I have 3 males in a community tank. They do no more than a short chase amongst themselves. They get on with all the other inhabitants and bring a lovely splash of colour. Maybe it’s just the male/female mix that’s the issue?
 

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I had two male honey gourami the one killed the other and
Terrorized the other Inhabitants.
 
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I have 3 males in a community tank. They do no more than a short chase amongst themselves. They get on with all the other inhabitants and bring a lovely splash of colour. Maybe it’s just the male/female mix that’s the issue?
Three tanks. I've had male female pairs and one male, I've had single males and a three with two females, I've male/male female/female solo male, I've even tried switching the male female pairs with different fish, but there's always something going on.
You'd think otherwise but even the two females separated into a tank was no good, one was constantly trying to fin nip the other.
The ugliest scene was when one of the girls managed to find a way to wedge herself behind and under the sponge filter by lying on her side, she spent hours there immobile, it was pathetic to see.
Oh and these are planted and scaped tanks, loads of cover.
 
Seems a bit odd that there are fry if the females are terrorized and constantly stressed. How did that happen?
 
How did that happen?
Welll GlennO, see, when a mommy fish and a daddy fish love each other very much. And....

(sorry, couldn't resist,:confused:)
 
I'm wondering how big this tank is and the availability of places to chill out. Perhaps there isn't enough room for the number of honey gouramis you bought?

I have 6 in a 75 gallon heavily planted community aquarium, 2 males and 4 females. No serious problems, any chasing is limited to a short distance and there are plenty of spots for personal space. The 2 males have their breeding colors and usually maintain a respectable distance from each other, but no breeding activity has occurred at all.
 

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I have 8 in a 55, including one that was spawned there. I see a lot of interaction, but no beatings or torn fins. I wonder if you have thick lip instead of honey gourami, they are often mislabeled. The gouramis pay no attention at all to the rasboras/.
 
I'd like to see pictures of the aggressive "Honey Gouramis". I'll bet dollars to donuts that they are actually Sunset Thicklips. Thicklips can be quite aggressive.

kansas just beat me to the punch line.
 
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I put 5 into a 36 gallon community, a pair into a 18 gallon community, and a single one into a 9 gallon with a handful of neon tetras. None as full as I'd like yet but even so all planted and scaped with plenty of boltholes easily accessible.
 

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Those are honey's alright. You could probly rehome them.

What's the water temp? If it were cooler, maybe that would calm them down or at least stop spawning.
 
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Those are honey's alright. You could probly rehome them.

What's the water temp? If it were cooler, maybe that would calm them down or at least stop spawning.
It's already on the low side at 24C. I've taken everything out now except the pandas so I'll drop it to 22C. Just spotted another baby so there are 2 confirmed, making 7 honeys now and likely more to come.
Failing that I can stop the baby problem by taking the [probably unpopular] step of removing the prefilter from the cannister inlet, but that would be a shame since the few cherry shrimp I have have finally also started making babies and I'd like to keep them if possible.
Rehoming the gourami is going to be an issue now that eBay has sacked off live animal sales. If I could still sell them I'd be happy as Larry but sadly no more. Like I said earlier, dump them onto Maidenhead Aquatics might be my best bet.
Parallel story is that my pandas also breed like the clappers and I've been doing really well selling them on eBay, Was about to get a big batch of them on the go, but now I'm going to have to put a stop to them too.
 
I have 8 in a 55, including one that was spawned there. I see a lot of interaction, but no beatings or torn fins. I wonder if you have thick lip instead of honey gourami, they are often mislabeled. The gouramis pay no attention at all to the rasboras/.
I've actually found thick lips to be better community fish than honeys
 
Interesting. I've never witnessed the type of aggression the OP describes with honey gouramis, but I've never had them breed either. Perhaps breeding flips a switch in their little brains? I've had kribensis like that. They were good community fish until they started breeding, then they got super aggressive.
 
I have never had a problem with larger gourami such as the blue, opalescent, three-spot, and pink kissing gourami. However, smaller ones like dwarfs and honeys tend to be aggressive toward each other and other fish.
 
Yep, those are Honeys. The aggression is unusual IME, but I've never had more than one male in a tank. I also tended to have floating water sprite plants with broad leaves and lots of bushy roots. Gave the male a secure place to hide his nest.

Don't know what else to tell you, good luck.
 
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Can't even blame it on the males because when I've tried a combination with two females one of them was following the other round trying to nip her tail, or waiting at the surface and then dive-bombing her, but always after her tail.
I've tried various combinations of surface cover, I've got some big leafy plants up there and red root floaters, and I've tried complete coverage to almost none to no effect at all.
They're still quite young, might be that they grow out of it eventually, but not sure I'm going to wait it out.
 

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