Endler Livebearer Fry Help

[Addictedtobettas]

At what age can I safely move them? To another tank or to the lfs..

Im sure this is somewhere out there but thought I’d do a quick ask from those with experience. Going to have 30-50 fry more than I have tank space for soon.

 

[flyinGourami]

I don't really get what you mean. Do you mean just move them? You can transfer them to different tanks soon/right after birth, although people usually just have the mom give birth in a separate tank and transfer her. If you are giving it to the lfs, they usually seem to take them once the fry have grown up and are a sellable size.

 

[AquaCaitlin]

You could always let the adults pick them off if there’s too many... I know it sounds harsh but it’s nature’s way.
with my guppies I keep them in the tank with the adults. The ones that hide live happily and the ones that don’t have the necessary survival skills... well they get eaten.

As for moving them, I have moved day-old fry with no deaths before, just a normal net.

If you don’t like the idea of them being eaten or culling them you could invest in high-quality foods like repashy and feed bbs with lots of water changes so they grow fast and you ab drop them off at the lfs within a few months.

 

[Addictedtobettas]

I don't really get what you mean. Do you mean just move them? You can transfer them to different tanks soon/right after birth, although people usually just have the mom give birth in a separate tank and transfer her. If you are giving it to the lfs, they usually seem to take them once the fry have grown up and are a sellable size.

Well yeah, I was wondering about their ability to adjust to even minor tank differences - my Gourami fry were much more sensitive than the livebearers have been so far but I’m still not experienced at all in fish raising to know if that goes for more than just water changes and such in altering the tank dynamic.

I didn’t expect the moms to unload so many so quickly after they’d given birth to a small fry batch - went from 8 fry to 4 fry to well over 30 and maybe more like 50 fry in just a couple weeks.
And they’re still very pregnant. I have removed the adult males though.

You could always let the adults pick them off if there’s too many... I know it sounds harsh but it’s nature’s way.
with my guppies I keep them in the tank with the adults. The ones that hide live happily and the ones that don’t have the necessary survival skills... well they get eaten.

As for moving them, I have moved day-old fry with no deaths before, just a normal net.

If you don’t like the idea of them being eaten or culling them you could invest in high-quality foods like repashy and feed bbs with lots of water changes so they grow fast and you ab drop them off at the lfs within a few months.

Ok so 6-8 weeks old for lfs selling age?

I wouldn’t have a problem with the adults in that tank eating them, if they showed any signs of interest in doing so! Have 40 fish fry and 10-20 shrimp fry and none of the adult fish have seemed hungry/aggressive to the fry.
One female occ. goes about an inch or two after one but then loses interest right away.

I suppose I could move them to less... friendly tanks but there’s still a very good chance they won’t get eaten there either and the male endlers may pursue the young females if they survive and I’m right back where I started with more livebearer babies than I know what to do with.
I have 2 mildly aggressive fish but not sure they’d even go for the fry.

 

[flyinGourami]

Well yeah, I was wondering about their ability to adjust to even minor tank differences - my Gourami fry were much more sensitive than the livebearers have been so far but I’m still not experienced at all in fish raising to know if that goes for more than just water changes and such in altering the tank dynamic.

I didn’t expect the moms to unload so many so quickly after they’d given birth to a small fry batch - went from 8 fry to 4 fry to well over 30 and maybe more like 50 fry in just a couple weeks.
And they’re still very pregnant. I have removed the adult males though.




Ok so 6-8 weeks old for lfs selling age?

I wouldn’t have a problem with the adults in that tank eating them, if they showed any signs of interest in doing so! Have 40 fish fry and 10-20 shrimp fry and none of the adult fish have seemed hungry/aggressive to the fry.
One female occ. goes about an inch or two after one but then loses interest right away.

I suppose I could move them to less... friendly tanks but there’s still a very good chance they won’t get eaten there either and the male endlers may pursue the young females if they survive and I’m right back where I started with more livebearer babies than I know what to do with.
I have 2 mildly aggressive fish but not sure they’d even go for the fry.

Oohh, you want the fish to get eaten??? Idk if this will help a lot, but i would put it in a slightly more bare tank and don't feed the fish for a few days, which might make them hungry and go after the fry. Reducing food also provides less food sources for the fry. I think it depends, from what I've heard guppies have a "prime time" where they are the best. You sell them to the lfs when they are just full grown, and they will be beautiful. This way, they are around 2-3 months old. The lfs have them and they are pretty, and the costumer can enjoy them for a couple more months before the fish starts to get older and not as appealing/"pretty". Could be wrong though, i just heard this from a video online from this fish breeder.

 

[Addictedtobettas]

Oohh, you want the fish to get eaten??? Idk if this will help a lot, but i would put it in a slightly more bare tank and don't feed the fish for a few days, which might make them hungry and go after the fry. Reducing food also provides less food sources for the fry. I think it depends, from what I've heard guppies have a "prime time" where they are the best. You sell them to the lfs when they are just full grown, and they will be beautiful. This way, they are around 2-3 months old. The lfs have them and they are pretty, and the costumer can enjoy them for a couple more months before the fish starts to get older and not as appealing/"pretty". Could be wrong though, i just heard this from a video online from this fish breeder.

Well I don’t want them to get eaten but I do know that it’s natural and can happen.
I also know that I don’t have tank space for what will shortly be over 50 endlers. Probably close to 100 at the rate the females are giving birth. And I don’t want them to die because tank conditions were less than ideal for growing fry. That almost seems worse. :/

 

[flyinGourami]

Well I don’t want them to get eaten but I do know that it’s natural and can happen.
I also know that I don’t have tank space for what will shortly be over 50 endlers. Probably close to 100 at the rate the females are giving birth. And I don’t want them to die because tank conditions were less than ideal for growing fry. That almost seems worse. :/

oh okay. Idk, honestly I mean I would just let them get eaten because if its overrun you will probably run into a few issues. Just a quick question, but how many are in there right now? Like tank size, tank inhabitants, and stuff.

 

[emeraldking]

If they're pure endlers the adult endlers won't eat their fry...

 

[Addictedtobettas]

oh okay. Idk, honestly I mean I would just let them get eaten because if its overrun you will probably run into a few issues. Just a quick question, but how many are in there right now? Like tank size, tank inhabitants, and stuff.

First tank is 9g (this is why I’m worried), 1 betta, 2 adult female endlers, 10 shrimp/snails and the 30-40 fry that I suspect is more like 50 and will probably head towards 100 if they keep dropping at this rate. I may just have to move the pregnant females to a near empty 15g most likely. They can give birth there. But there’s an aggressive ish betta female there - she won’t mind the adults I don’t think but I’m not sure about the fry.

Second tank is 15g with 1 betta, 6 clown killis, 4 endlers (1 male, 3 females), 1 small pleco, 5-10 shrimp/snails and 10-20 endler fry currently.
The betta and the Killis don’t seem to care about the fry. I’m moving the male endler to the 45g pronto as the females are definitely still dropping. I’ll probably also move the killis over but I’m very worried about too much tank musical chairs - had bad experiences with that stress on the fish before.

If they're pure endlers the adult endlers won't eat their fry...

Well that would explain it. Good to know!

 

[flyinGourami]

First tank is 9g (this is why I’m worried), 1 betta, 2 adult female endlers, 10 shrimp/snails and the 30-40 fry that I suspect is more like 50 and will probably head towards 100 if they keep dropping at this rate. I may just have to move the pregnant females to a near empty 15g most likely. They can give birth there. But there’s an aggressive ish betta female there - she won’t mind the adults I don’t think but I’m not sure about the fry.

Second tank is 15g with 1 betta, 6 clown killis, 4 endlers (1 male, 3 females), 1 small pleco, 5-10 shrimp/snails and 10-20 endler fry currently.
The betta and the Killis don’t seem to care about the fry. I’m moving the male endler to the 45g pronto as the females are definitely still dropping. I’ll probably also move the killis over but I’m very worried about too much tank musical chairs - had bad experiences with that stress on the fish before.




Well that would explain it. Good to know!

Ookay I would probably be in panic mode rn. From what I gather your giving them away to the lfs?

 

[Addictedtobettas]

Ookay I would probably be in panic mode rn. From what I gather your giving them away to the lfs?

Yeah. I am. In panic mode and giving them away. Lfs said he’d take them but I wondered if they were too young.

 

[flyinGourami]

Yeah. I am. In panic mode and giving them away. Lfs said he’d take them but I wondered if they were too young.

How big are they? I think its fine to give them away when they are fry I see multiple ads that ship fry. I just don't know if your lfs will take them.

 

[Addictedtobettas]

The one on upper right is 1 of 4 elder fry.
The small one on left is from the 30-40 that showed up in the past week or so.

 

[flyinGourami]

The one on upper right is 1 of 4 elder fry.
The small one on left is from the 30-40 that showed up in the past week or so.

I would give them away when they are around the size of the one on the upper right if the lfs will take them.