I've been thinking about getting a tank that's just a little bit bigger for the discus, but only one that can still fit on the same stand so I'm not sure whether I should favor dimensions or volume. Length would be the same, but the tank would be wider instead of taller, it's only a difference of a few inches and 10-15 gallons. Thoughts?
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I keep my 5 discus in a 60 gallonthat is 48X24X12 or so and my pair in a 65 that is 36x18 x24 ..Can't say I see a difference in growth ,behavior or breeding between the two tanks which are clearly night and day..
What the 48x24 lacks in depth it makes up in foot print..
I don't see discus hiding or staying away from others by going above or below them ??
What the 48x24 lacks in depth it makes up in foot print..
I don't see discus hiding or staying away from others by going above or below them ??
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HI gang!
RollaPear welcome to the gang
86 ssinit Your new ones look so beautiful!
fa4960 Wow, stunning tank and fish, what a credit to you! I would suggest just leaving that finrot Discus in the main tank, all he needs is fresh water more often to heal.. Sometimes removing them to the hosptial tank makes them become worse..
Guys, I tested my tanks for the first time in over 2 weeks, and I am so excited to see there is NO nitrite!!! Finally both tanks are cycled!! My goodness, what a long hall. The Discus tank has high Nitrate though at 40, so a nice water change will fix that. All my fish are doing well, I'm posting the test results for both tanks because I still can't believe my eyes lol
And a short video of my Discus tank this morning too
RollaPear welcome to the gang
86 ssinit Your new ones look so beautiful!
fa4960 Wow, stunning tank and fish, what a credit to you! I would suggest just leaving that finrot Discus in the main tank, all he needs is fresh water more often to heal.. Sometimes removing them to the hosptial tank makes them become worse..
Guys, I tested my tanks for the first time in over 2 weeks, and I am so excited to see there is NO nitrite!!! Finally both tanks are cycled!! My goodness, what a long hall. The Discus tank has high Nitrate though at 40, so a nice water change will fix that. All my fish are doing well, I'm posting the test results for both tanks because I still can't believe my eyes lol
And a short video of my Discus tank this morning too
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DecoyCat glad to hear your tank has cycled and zero nitrites !
Hopefully everyone feels better and does well moving forward..
My wigglers are gone ,not sure if they ate .The parents still stare at the dip and pour !
Santarems have spawned on drain tube again ! Can't wait till work slows down to have some more time in fish room..
Hopefully everyone feels better and does well moving forward..
My wigglers are gone ,not sure if they ate .The parents still stare at the dip and pour !
Santarems have spawned on drain tube again ! Can't wait till work slows down to have some more time in fish room..
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RollaPear this is the first time I have seen the nitrate so high, but yes, water changes fix it easy enough
coralbandit hello! You had wrigglers?? I must of missed that, any idea what happened to them? Or why they are not surviving? I think you have had so many spawns now, they should be at the stage where they don't eat them, are they in a tank alone?
coralbandit hello! You had wrigglers?? I must of missed that, any idea what happened to them? Or why they are not surviving? I think you have had so many spawns now, they should be at the stage where they don't eat them, are they in a tank alone?
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The parents still eat the eggs so I stole them just to see finally if they were fertile..
They hatched so I had at it but not with real intent...
The pair is alone in a 65g with a pair of gold rams who pay no mind to them .
Although 5 inches if these guys were 4-6 months old at 3 inches then these guys are not one year old yet still ? I figure them to be 9 months old tops myself ?
They hatched so I had at it but not with real intent...
The pair is alone in a 65g with a pair of gold rams who pay no mind to them .
Although 5 inches if these guys were 4-6 months old at 3 inches then these guys are not one year old yet still ? I figure them to be 9 months old tops myself ?
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Even though the rams pay no attention to the Discus I would remove them, the discus would be stressed with the rams in there. Try it and see if they still eat the eggs then...
Sounds like they have good growth for their age of 9 months, you must be feeding them good
Sounds like they have good growth for their age of 9 months, you must be feeding them good
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Hope you are having a great time in Germany 86 !
Well ,I have not removed the rams and the discus have laid eggs again ! On day 2 or 3 and they may become wigglers tomorrow ?
Best I can do is shut off the AC110&70 and leave the sponges going and see if this changes outcome ?
Possibly the golds can go tomorrow just a matter of where ?? Too many fish ….
I kind of think the rams help the pair bond as they [the rams] seem to not want to leave one corner till the disc come their way !
Sometimes pairs bicker and fight amongst themselves without a nemesis / rival so the pair serves a purpose IMO.
The rams being scared enough to stay in corner [of a 65g tank] suites me fine as with other GBR these two are holy terrors..
The eggs were laid on the pot in the usual spot this time so taking them is not an option..
Well ,I have not removed the rams and the discus have laid eggs again ! On day 2 or 3 and they may become wigglers tomorrow ?
Best I can do is shut off the AC110&70 and leave the sponges going and see if this changes outcome ?
Possibly the golds can go tomorrow just a matter of where ?? Too many fish ….
I kind of think the rams help the pair bond as they [the rams] seem to not want to leave one corner till the disc come their way !
Sometimes pairs bicker and fight amongst themselves without a nemesis / rival so the pair serves a purpose IMO.
The rams being scared enough to stay in corner [of a 65g tank] suites me fine as with other GBR these two are holy terrors..
The eggs were laid on the pot in the usual spot this time so taking them is not an option..
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Congrats! Yes shut off the filters and leave sponges going maybe. I still recommend removing the rams, even if its just temporary to see if that could be the difference. I think there is no harm in trying it, as the discus pair are young and new to babies they need all the help they can get, and having tank mates might look fine to us but nature is telling those discus to protect the eggs from threats, and other fish (the rams) are a threat... Anyway, up to you, I hope this time they are successful!
Just an update on Ranga, the Orange PB discus. She is now swimming with the group more and more instead of hiding alone with her boyfriend Little blue, in the last 2 days I have actually seen her eating for the first time since I brought her on July 30th! She looked really bad for a long time, I honestly thought she would eventually die one day. But with a lot of patience and persistence she now has color back, her fins are some what up and she looks happier. I just took this video of her being happy in the tank, I honestly don't know how she survived the past months in the condition she was in. But I guess she has found her will to live after all
Just an update on Ranga, the Orange PB discus. She is now swimming with the group more and more instead of hiding alone with her boyfriend Little blue, in the last 2 days I have actually seen her eating for the first time since I brought her on July 30th! She looked really bad for a long time, I honestly thought she would eventually die one day. But with a lot of patience and persistence she now has color back, her fins are some what up and she looks happier. I just took this video of her being happy in the tank, I honestly don't know how she survived the past months in the condition she was in. But I guess she has found her will to live after all
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So the blue snakeskins have laid eggs on the heater this time !
The golds are still in with them and another busy weekend is ahead [Aquatic Experience] ..
Do you think these two are trying to tell me something ..They seem to know how often I need to be prodded to keep my attention ?
The golds are still in with them and another busy weekend is ahead [Aquatic Experience] ..
Do you think these two are trying to tell me something ..They seem to know how often I need to be prodded to keep my attention ?
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Well, gang, I missed a bunch of posts and then the site was locked, so I’m going to try to catch up!!
Welcome RollaPear ! Your Discus are beautiful!
So relieved your tanks are now cycled DecoyCat, and Ranga has gotten better!! They’re all looking great!! How big are the Angel babies, now?
Wow, 86 ssinit, you got to Germany for Ocktober fest With your son! Fantastic! Hope youwent to the pet shops *before* beer-with-the-boys, or you might have trouble getting through customs!
I am so jealous of your fish room coralbandit!! I love the Albino Swordtails, and your Discus look great! Sorry you lost the first batch of wigglers, but your pair just aren’t going to give up, so sooner or later you’ll be showing us a video of a bunch of little Discus hanging onto mom and dad! I don’t know how you find the time and energy to keep up with your 60+ tanks - and they aren’t just little 10g’s!
I hope I haven’t forgotten anyone!! I was sitting on my couch last night planning how I’m going to remove the fake brick veneer and sheetrock that’s behind the wood stove, and replace it with backer board and the ledger stone I was given, and I looked over towards the wood stove (which is about 3 1/2 feet from the Turqs’ tank in the corner....and what to my wondering eyes did I see?! Check out the grainy video I was able to get (didn’t want to disturb them, so I tried zooming in as much as my phone would allow)
Welcome RollaPear ! Your Discus are beautiful!
So relieved your tanks are now cycled DecoyCat, and Ranga has gotten better!! They’re all looking great!! How big are the Angel babies, now?
Wow, 86 ssinit, you got to Germany for Ocktober fest With your son! Fantastic! Hope youwent to the pet shops *before* beer-with-the-boys, or you might have trouble getting through customs!
I am so jealous of your fish room coralbandit!! I love the Albino Swordtails, and your Discus look great! Sorry you lost the first batch of wigglers, but your pair just aren’t going to give up, so sooner or later you’ll be showing us a video of a bunch of little Discus hanging onto mom and dad! I don’t know how you find the time and energy to keep up with your 60+ tanks - and they aren’t just little 10g’s!
I hope I haven’t forgotten anyone!! I was sitting on my couch last night planning how I’m going to remove the fake brick veneer and sheetrock that’s behind the wood stove, and replace it with backer board and the ledger stone I was given, and I looked over towards the wood stove (which is about 3 1/2 feet from the Turqs’ tank in the corner....and what to my wondering eyes did I see?! Check out the grainy video I was able to get (didn’t want to disturb them, so I tried zooming in as much as my phone would allow)
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Well the new format will take some getting used to!! Was that emojI suppose to be that big?
Great video coral. Think I am interested in some gold rams .
Babara I think I’m getting jealous now . But I really don’t want mating!
DecoyCat glad to see Ranga found her way back .
As to Germany. It was a blast!! Never drank so much in my life. What a great crowd inside the festival! Outside it was so so. All siteseeing was blown off for drinking . FrI I decided to check out some pet stores but was denied because everything around us was closed for the weekend . Did find one shop but it was like there version of Petsmart. Tanks in much better condition and some nice fish. But no discus.
All fish doing good. No mating . 2 new guys still look good. Red is beautiful and eats everything I put in but green still is not eating . It a big fish but not sure what’s going to happen with it. Called uncle sams for some feeding info but they still haven’t gotten back to me . Time I’ll tell. Also they are very skittish. Think I need some dither fish with them.
Great video coral. Think I am interested in some gold rams .
Babara I think I’m getting jealous now . But I really don’t want mating!
DecoyCat glad to see Ranga found her way back .
As to Germany. It was a blast!! Never drank so much in my life. What a great crowd inside the festival! Outside it was so so. All siteseeing was blown off for drinking . FrI I decided to check out some pet stores but was denied because everything around us was closed for the weekend . Did find one shop but it was like there version of Petsmart. Tanks in much better condition and some nice fish. But no discus.
All fish doing good. No mating . 2 new guys still look good. Red is beautiful and eats everything I put in but green still is not eating . It a big fish but not sure what’s going to happen with it. Called uncle sams for some feeding info but they still haven’t gotten back to me . Time I’ll tell. Also they are very skittish. Think I need some dither fish with them.
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I answered on your 120 Build thread RollaPear, but I‘m also going to post the link to the article here, so others can read it Hole in the Head (HITH) and Head and Lateral Line Erosion (HLLE) in Aquarium Fish. So glad you aren’t dealing with either!
Lol! I think the site builder needs to check their html, as all the emojis on that menu post waaay to big (although I *am* really impressed with coralbandit ’s fish)!! Glad you had a great time (drinking) in Munich, and we’re able to find your way back to the plane home
I had given up on the Turqs being a pair, but maybe I was wrong? I didn’t find any eggs on the intake tube this morning, but they could be in the back where I can’t get. After following jmaldo and coralbandit ’s experiences with their pairs, I figure mine are just starting to get the idea - or they were just trying to show me that I didn’t clean all the snails off the tube earlier in the day
been watching one of my Golden’s for the past few days, as it seems to be less energetic, and spends a lot of time sitting in one place looking down. Trying to decide whether to do another round of Metro...
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Hey gang. Need some advice. The 2 new discus have become way to skittish. Any ideas how to calm them down. They’re in the tank alone so maybe some dither fish. But I don’t have anything to add would have to buy. So if I buy do I just add them because qt-ing them would take a month and that’s not going to help . Is there something to add to the water? Stress guard, ludes . Any ideas? I can’t move near them or they bang around like pool balls after a hard break. Lowered the lights but still jumpy. Checked water and everything is good. Started yesterday. Thanks.
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Boy, I’m not sure what the best dither fish would be that might calm them down, because the new ones would be a little skittish at first, too! Maybe a small school of common Hatchets? They have been mentioned before as good dither fish for Discus, and they’re carnivores, so they’d eat the same thing as your Discus. What’s the temp in the tank? If, according to Hans, raising the temp makes them more active and hungry, maybe lowering the temp will make them slow down? Wish I knew the answer! You sure you don’t have an electrical short? This sounds like the ‘dashing Discus’ thing, too.
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I would not recommend Hatchets, they are jumpers. Started with12 down to 5. My son found another last night about 2 feet away from the tank. There was an opening only about 3/16", it found a way. I am going to have to re-think the dithers. I know Cardinals, but just not to my liking.
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This one is for you BarbaraLocke
My pair are still trying to get it right, this is the 8-9 time.
Have another spawn, she gave up on using the driftwood and decided to use the Qanvee filter. And I noticed they are both more attentive this time, taking turns fanning them. Not ready to start breeding but as coralbandit mentioned just want to know I have a viable pair.
BD spawn
Good Luck
On another note,
This one is for you BarbaraLocke
My pair are still trying to get it right, this is the 8-9 time.
Have another spawn, she gave up on using the driftwood and decided to use the Qanvee filter. And I noticed they are both more attentive this time, taking turns fanning them. Not ready to start breeding but as coralbandit mentioned just want to know I have a viable pair.
BD spawn
Good Luck
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HI 86, do they have hiding places? Put a bunch of live plants in there to make it feel more homey. Do you have any spare catfish? put a couple in there too. Prefer them to be Corys as they are harmless catfish... What is the PH level? A small piece of driftwood would be good if not already in there... Is there surface agitation? Air stone or sponge filter? Lights off until they settle would be preferred...
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I got no clue on dithers ?
I never used them with my apsito or ram breeding ..
I always raise and breed rams alone ?
I am finding the rams and discus together seem great ..They both sort of provoke each other ..I got golds for you if you want 86..I ship every week .
Brought back two Kiegel plastic breeding cones from the Aquatic Experience ..I guess that and me moving the gold rams out of the 65g today can count as a little effort put forward to helping the snakeskins ?
The eggs are gone on the heater .I have never seen eggs last long on heaters unless it gets unplugged ..
I never used them with my apsito or ram breeding ..
I always raise and breed rams alone ?
I am finding the rams and discus together seem great ..They both sort of provoke each other ..I got golds for you if you want 86..I ship every week .
Brought back two Kiegel plastic breeding cones from the Aquatic Experience ..I guess that and me moving the gold rams out of the 65g today can count as a little effort put forward to helping the snakeskins ?
The eggs are gone on the heater .I have never seen eggs last long on heaters unless it gets unplugged ..
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Well, I never found any eggs, so I guess mine were just practicing cleaning a spot and doing ‘the shimmy’ I saw the egg tube on one, so at least I know which one is female, now. I know from what you guys have been experiencing that these two are nowhere near ready to be parents, but it’s really neat to think that I’ve got a pair, too!
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Wow! Your Angels are beautiful DecoyCat , and getting so big!! I’m amazed at how they’ve become identifiable Angels so fast! That’s a lot of ‘finnage’ for them to grow! Love your Discus video, too! Your Turq is really impressive, and I’m so glad Ranga seems to have gotten over whatever was bothering her. That funny thing Teeny was doing with his/her fins was ‘the shimmy’ they do to attract a mate Well, the emojI has been resized, but the borders haven’t been, it appears.... They still have some work to do on the site it seems. This reminds me of an old Word Press site I had to deal with at work, but I don’t see anything in the menu here that lets you play with the code - for good reason, I guess.
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How often are you doing water changes in this tank? Is water changes and feeding the only time your near the tank? Grab a chair and sit by the tank, they might be scared of you at the moment, so spend some time just sitting there with them, esp at feeding time. I would remove the shrimp, they are not a species id have in with discus and could be the problem. Id add the Cories instead and see if that helps...
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I’ve got a whole colony of cherry shrimp growing in my 125 with the discus. Could be but I don’t think they are the problem. Will try the Cory’s tomorrow see how they work. As to chair I do have one there . I think it’s because there’s only 2.
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Love your ’fish room’ 86 ssinit! It just dawned on me that you could try 2 or 3 moonlight gouramis as companions for your 2 skittish Discus! They can stand temps in the low 80’s, aren’t jumpers, and are really beautiful, peaceful fish! I’ve got one with my 2 Silver Dollars, and he really made such a great buddy for them that I just got 2 more - and they’re not expensive! Long story, but I was given an acrylic 55g, which weighs less than 20lbs empty, and is 4’ long, so I figured it would be better for the SD’s cause they love long tanks. I just got them moved, and thought the tank would look great as an all silver tank. While I was at my LFS getting some airline I saw they had an adult BoesemanI Rainbow that they wanted to find a home for....well, a little color would be nice, and the price was right Then when I went to Petco to get the 2 MLG’s they had I saw they had some baby B. Rainbow’s, so I got 2 of those, too. The new guys are all being quarantined in the 40b (that was now empty after moving the SD’s), and I am impressed with how docile they all are together! I think some Moonlights would be stunning with Discus!
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Omg Barbara MTS has taken hold!! . Congrats on the acrylic tank they are great. I have 2. Only thing is they do scratch easy.
Sorry I’m just not a fan of gouramis. I do like the boesemanis have 3 in my 90 and 3 fry growing out in other tanks. They are very slow growers! Also great dither fish with discus. They can handle the warm water. But my oldest 2 are about 5 yrs old so I’m not moving them.
DecoyCat your right I’ve had them almost a month now. Think I will try the Cory’s today and move them this weekend. Just hoping they don’t make the others skittish.
Sorry I’m just not a fan of gouramis. I do like the boesemanis have 3 in my 90 and 3 fry growing out in other tanks. They are very slow growers! Also great dither fish with discus. They can handle the warm water. But my oldest 2 are about 5 yrs old so I’m not moving them.
DecoyCat your right I’ve had them almost a month now. Think I will try the Cory’s today and move them this weekend. Just hoping they don’t make the others skittish.
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86 ssinit Yea, I think moving them in with the others now would be ok, fingers crossed for you
RollaPear Haha that's funny, Tiny and Teeny were so so small when I brought them, I honestly didnt think they would grow, but they have surprised me
My fish are just waking up with the house lights on at the moment, I need to check Big blue, I walked past the tank in the night and gave him a fright, he crashed hard into the end of the tank, the poor baby.
BarbaraLocke The babies are indeed doing well, except I think I need to cull a few, I just thought they were runts until I noticed yesterday they are not swimming right, I actually don't know what to do to cull them? They are still tiny compared to the others now. I don't have any cloves oil either so I'm unsure what to do at this stage...
RollaPear Haha that's funny, Tiny and Teeny were so so small when I brought them, I honestly didnt think they would grow, but they have surprised me
My fish are just waking up with the house lights on at the moment, I need to check Big blue, I walked past the tank in the night and gave him a fright, he crashed hard into the end of the tank, the poor baby.
BarbaraLocke The babies are indeed doing well, except I think I need to cull a few, I just thought they were runts until I noticed yesterday they are not swimming right, I actually don't know what to do to cull them? They are still tiny compared to the others now. I don't have any cloves oil either so I'm unsure what to do at this stage...
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Lol!! MTS took over months ago 86 ssinit, but I thought I had it under control when I got the 75g. When I was offered this acrylic tank (with filter) I thought I would transfer the fish in the 40b to it, and then sell the 40b. I don’t have a stand for a 55g, but I figured I could put a plank across the 40’s stand to make up for the overhang. Of course I needed a place near the 40 to put the 55 while doing the transfer because I wanted to give it a few days to make sure everything was working. By shovwing things around in the room, I had space under the window that’s on the wall at a 90 to the breeder, and because the 55 is so light I could put it on a couple milk crates, which would keep it close to the floor, but not impacted at all by the window. Of course it was too close to the floor, so there wasn’t enough room underneath for the canister that came with it - so I took the hob from the 75, and put the new canister with that tank. By the time I got all that done I got thinking that since I had enough equipment to have all the tanks running, why get rid of the 40, when I could get more fish for it?! Hopeless, I know!
You have Boesemani’s too! The adult I got is very mellow, and a great companion with my SD’S. The only reason I didn’t suggest getting some for dither fish is because the 2 little ones I got are very active, and zip all around the tank looking for food, so I thought they might just make matters worse for you. I’m sure that moving your 2 Discus in with the others will make them feel secure, and they will have so much more room in your big tank!
I hope Big Blue is OK, DecoyCat! I had to keep an eye on my SD’s after I moved them into their new tank because it was a real rodeo catching them - they’re almost eatin’ size now, and amazingly fast! I don’t know of another way, other than clove oil, to euthanize fish, so if you can’t get any where you are let me know, and I’ll send you some. That’s the thing with raising fish, some seem to be meant to become part of the food chain early on
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Have to say that was my first thought. Feed to other fish. Are they small enough to be eaten? And even though you put them in to be eaten they may not. Good luck. Do you have a place to get rid of the rest?
Saw this discus today.nice colors but what do you guys think. It’s the red and white one. Think it’s stunted? Looks a little lean. About 3” .Was told it’s been in store for 2 weeks. But everything I asked about was there for 2 weeks. So what does the gang think?
Saw this discus today.nice colors but what do you guys think. It’s the red and white one. Think it’s stunted? Looks a little lean. About 3” .Was told it’s been in store for 2 weeks. But everything I asked about was there for 2 weeks. So what does the gang think?
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As mentioned you can try. I had my EBA pair spawn, the bottom fell out on pricing at my LFS's. So, I let "Mother Nature" handle it. Ended up with a dozen fry, added then to the Discus tank.
The Discus went on the hunt as soon as I dropped them in. It was a sight to behold. That was a few weeks ago. 4 have made it and are growing well. Now to big for them.
Here is a pic of one of them with an Amano.
Good Luck!
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