Angelfish Standoff. Is one protecting eggs?

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Angelfish Standoff. Is one protecting eggs? I don't know what is on the glass there but the Male on the right won't leave that spot.

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I think those are eggs, IMO.
Cichlids are known to get a little territorial during breeding. It's normal for him to be guarding the eggs, also IMO.

But then, I am no expert. I do not personally own angelfish, but from what I've heard, this is normal breeding behavior.
 

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Thank you. I thought so, but had read that they laid the eggs on a slanted rock, so i have several in the tank. I knew the larger one was a male, but didn't know about the smaller one. And i didn't know if the male or female guarded the eggs... Now i know and I'll keep an eye on them. I'm very excited! The other large male is on the completely opposite side of the tank.
 
Well, you have learned one of the most important lessons about Angelfish breeding: they never put the eggs where you want them to! They generally prefer vertical surfaces, and sometimes the glass just seems easier to use. I have seen a pair of angels that spawned on the bottom of their tank after clearing away gravel.

Usually it's the female that guards the eggs, but sometimes a male will take on the duties. Usually that ends with eggs or fry being eaten, but you could get lucky. I cannot see the sex very well, but the fish nearest the eggs in that photo looks more female than male.
 
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I found this and am pleasantly surprised. They are wriggling like crazy. It's too cute!
 

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Hi. I have a question. The angelfish fry are at wiggler stage. I put a tank divider in my 60 gal bc the male kept bothering the other fish who weren't even near the babies.

My question is, can i keep the male and female on the side with the babies? It seems like they may be eating them, but sometimes the male just gets one or two from the bottom of the tank in his mouth and spits then back out at the top of the tank. I'm not sure what i need to do, if anything... anyone have experience with this or suggestions?

i saw some posts that said see if they can figure out how to be parents on their own? I don't have another tank to move them to and I've never used a breeder box. Thanks
 
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I think those are eggs, IMO.
Cichlids are known to get a little territorial during breeding. It's normal for him to be guarding the eggs, also IMO.

But then, I am no expert. I do not personally own angelfish, but from what I've heard, this is normal breeding behavior.
Thank you for replying. The story keeps unfolding and the wigglers are moving around on the glass.
 
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Well, you have learned one of the most important lessons about Angelfish breeding: they never put the eggs where you want them to! They generally prefer vertical surfaces, and sometimes the glass just seems easier to use. I have seen a pair of angels that spawned on the bottom of their tank after clearing away gravel.

Usually it's the female that guards the eggs, but sometimes a male will take on the duties. Usually that ends with eggs or fry being eaten, but you could get lucky. I cannot see the sex very well, but the fish nearest the eggs in that photo looks more female than male.
Thanks for replying chromedome52. I bought a 2 yr old breeding pair and there one i was told was the female didn't make it. I tried everything. Anyways i assumed i still had the male. I added another koi and now i know for sure one is female and one is male lol. I lucked out!
 
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Wow, that's a nice size batch. Good Luck!
Thanks so much! The divider in the tank helped calm them down quite a bit.
 
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Much calmer now with the divider.
 

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They are being good parents, moving the fry around so they can eat. I'm so proud of them!!!
 

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Sorry for the glare. I marked the fry.
Day 4 some of the babies are swimming. If they get too close to the divider, they put them in their mouth and spits them back out on the leaf lol.
 

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There fry are doing great and the parents are doing a great job with them. They are going a lithe further from their leaves, but the parents keep putting then back there to eat and rest. This is so awesome to watch every day.
 

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So on day 5 I woke up and all the fry were gone... i waited a couple days to see if any had hidden and survived, then I removed the barrier. The tank is back to normal. I'm not sure who ate them, but now that I know I have a good breeding pair, I'll set them up in their own tank and go from there.

Should i have removed one or both of the parents at some point?
 
Let me enlighten you on angelfish breeding.


If you have a spare 29 gallon, that would be good.


Tank layout

Gravel: A nice 2 inch thick calm colored substrate(not some dyed gravel), a dirt would be nice.
Plants: ONLY LIVE PLANTS!! Some are, anubias, amazon sword.
Temperature: 85 F
Filter: Sponge
Lighting: Medium
Miscellaneous: Driftwood (required) a piece of slate or something where the angelfish can lay eggs

Steps

1. Move the parents to a different tank.
2. If you are going for money, prepare another tank for eggs, if for entertainment, you will not need another tank.
3. Have the fish breed and lay eggs on some slate and if you are doing it for money, put the eggs in the different tank. Make sure that the water temperature is the same in both tanks. If you have shrimp, put them there, they will help the eggs and clean them, getting rid of anything bad. But if you have shrimp, do not add methane blue, it will kill the shrimp. Also, shrimp will not eat the eggs, I promise you. The parents will take care of the eggs if you leave the eggs there. You have 3 days to move the eggs.
4. Now you have fry! Move the fry to a different tank, away from the parents and other fish. The adults might eat their babies, a 50 50 chance. The babies will eat the eggs if you leave them for too long. Have at least 20 gallons. Just make sure that the fish are taken care of well. 20 gallons is the minimum as the number of eggs can vary 100-1000.
5. Growing the fry is hard. If you want to sell them, there will be many many more steps. But if you have them for pleasure, make sure you have permanent space for the angelfish. Growing the fry will require 2 50 percent water changes a week and a strong sponge filter, this will not suck up the babies.
(OPTIONAL) 6. Once you have the babies, you have a lot of good babies, you need to sell. There is a lot to cover but I will try and make it simple and quick. 1st, do not try to sell to the big box stores(petco, petsmart). Also, make a relationship to the place where you are selling to. Only sell to one person if you want to sell to a store, if you sell to 2 stores, you are supporting both store's enemies, and both will cut ties with you. Sell the fish at 0.25 of what the store is selling them for. The right size for selling is, meh, 2 inches. At first, give the store some of your fish as a gift to show the store the quality of your fish. Be prepared for questions, it is like a job interview. Selling online is difficult and hard(mainly cause of shipping).
(OPTIONAL) 7. Once you have too many babies, no one to sell to, go onto say, ebay and sell your breeding pair. That can get you, 80 bucks at least as your angelfish look like orange headed koi.


Good luck with your fish!
 
Hi. I have a question. The angelfish fry are at wiggler stage. I put a tank divider in my 60 gal bc the male kept bothering the other fish who weren't even near the babies.

My question is, can i keep the male and female on the side with the babies? It seems like they may be eating them, but sometimes the male just gets one or two from the bottom of the tank in his mouth and spits then back out at the top of the tank. I'm not sure what i need to do, if anything... anyone have experience with this or suggestions?

i saw some posts that said see if they can figure out how to be parents on their own? I don't have another tank to move them to and I've never used a breeder box. Thanks
If they spit out the babies, they are training them too swim.
 
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