My first big tank build!

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I have finally figured out what I want to build for my next project! After getting the approval of my parents, we have agreed on a 40g tank. We went in store today to see sizes and a 55g was just way too big for the spot I wanted the tank in and I just felt more comfortable with the 40B dimensions. I plan on calling Pet Supplies Plus tomorrow to ask if they have any 40g available since they have the dollar per gallon sale. If not then Ill have to wait till Petco has it :/

Anyways I am not set on anything really and am open to anyone's suggestions about the things I want to get/do in the tank. I still consider myself pretty nooby on fish tank stuff so advice is always nice

Heres what I have come up with for the build so far:

40g Breeder Tank
Imagitarium Brooklyn Metal Stand (still deciding)
100w heater and 50w heater (i already have these)
Nicrew 36" classic light (I already have this one but I plan on adding more light)
Marineland 350 filter
Aqueon Versa Top Lid
Marineland 100 filter (I have this on my 20g and I plan on adding it to my 40B to cycle it)

Now for the plants:
(Some of these plants are already in my 20g, which I plan on transferring to the 40B and shutting down my 20)

Java Fern (I have a ton of this already but Im gonna get more)
Anubias petite and nana
Crypts? Not sure yet
Dwarf hair grass (Recently my Petco has been upping their fish stuff area and the plant section has so many different kinds of plants now!)
Rotala Rotundafolia (I heard it was a moderately easy/medium plant to have)
Some sort of Ludwiga
Amazon Swords (Love this plant!)
Tiger Lotus
Duckweed
There will probably be more but my brain cant think of more lol

For substrate I plan on using some regular sand and adding some Osmocote Plus underneath and then putting more sand on top. I got a good amount of lava rock in my 20g I will also transfer over and I want to get some piece of wood in there but not sure which kind, I have had really good luck with mopani wood but not so much with spider wood for some reason my spiderwood always gets super fungusy and it made the tank smell like sewage water; once I removed it tho the sewage smell was gone.

Now for the fish:
I already have 8 cherry barbs and 6 cories which I plan on transferring over. I also have 6 baby cories in my 10g growing up that I may move over once they are bigger or sell them off (still unsure)
2x Angelfish
6x Rummynoses
I dont know the rest honestly. All I am set on really is what I already have and the angels, anything else I don't know yet. I did want a pleco but unsure again.

I do have one question, once I set up the 40B could I move over the already cycled filter and fish over to the 40B. I would also add some of the water from the 20g as well. Would that be okay? After that could I slowly add fish in so the cycle can catch up?
 

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I have finally figured out what I want to build for my next project! After getting the approval of my parents, we have agreed on a 40g tank. We went in store today to see sizes and a 55g was just way too big for the spot I wanted the tank in and I just felt more comfortable with the 40B dimensions. I plan on calling Pet Supplies Plus tomorrow to ask if they have any 40g available since they have the dollar per gallon sale. If not then Ill have to wait till Petco has it :/

Anyways I am not set on anything really and am open to anyone's suggestions about the things I want to get/do in the tank. I still consider myself pretty nooby on fish tank stuff so advice is always nice

Heres what I have come up with for the build so far:

40g Breeder Tank
Imagitarium Brooklyn Metal Stand (still deciding)
100w heater and 50w heater (i already have these)
Nicrew 36" classic light (I already have this one but I plan on adding more light)
Marineland 350 filter
Aqueon Versa Top Lid
Marineland 100 filter (I have this on my 20g and I plan on adding it to my 40B to cycle it)

Now for the plants:
(Some of these plants are already in my 20g, which I plan on transferring to the 40B and shutting down my 20)

Java Fern (I have a ton of this already but Im gonna get more)
Anubias petite and nana
Crypts? Not sure yet
Dwarf hair grass (Recently my Petco has been upping their fish stuff area and the plant section has so many different kinds of plants now!)
Rotala Rotundafolia (I heard it was a moderately easy/medium plant to have)
Some sort of Ludwiga
Amazon Swords (Love this plant!)
Tiger Lotus
Duckweed
There will probably be more but my brain cant think of more lol

For substrate I plan on using some regular sand and adding some Osmocote Plus underneath and then putting more sand on top. I got a good amount of lava rock in my 20g I will also transfer over and I want to get some piece of wood in there but not sure which kind, I have had really good luck with mopani wood but not so much with spider wood for some reason my spiderwood always gets super fungusy and it made the tank smell like sewage water; once I removed it tho the sewage smell was gone.

Now for the fish:
I already have 8 cherry barbs and 6 cories which I plan on transferring over. I also have 6 baby cories in my 10g growing up that I may move over once they are bigger or sell them off (still unsure)
2x Angelfish
6x Rummynoses
I dont know the rest honestly. All I am set on really is what I already have and the angels, anything else I don't know yet. I did want a pleco but unsure again.

I do have one question, once I set up the 40B could I move over the already cycled filter and fish over to the 40B. I would also add some of the water from the 20g as well. Would that be okay? After that could I slowly add fish in so the cycle can catch up?
Please do not get duckweed. Well, I will say is once you have it, it is so hard to get rid of. Thought I had it in only 2 tanks in my fish room and was happy it was disappearing. Now it's back in 7 tanks. I removed it all again, so hoping it is gone, but I never really know. I have crypts in my 40 breeder and they look sweet in the mid foreground of my tank. Dwarf hair grass is great, but mine always needed CO2 to thrive.

Here's what I would do. I would move filter to 40 with current plants and fish. You can even have tank set up with a few more plants that are new if you like. Be careful though as dying plant matter can cause issues with water quality and there's almost always die off when you get plants from the store. They are usually emersed and need to go to submerged growth. If you only have one filter, I'd buy a small sponge filter and put it in the 40 for a few weeks with a all air pump so you can then out it in the 20g and use as quarantine tank. Definitely do not want to kill your current fish with new ones when it can be avoided. Once they have passed through quarantine, you can move them to the new tank slowly so you don't overwhelm your current bio load. Root tabs work wonders for me as does making my own liquid fertilizers from powder fertilizers I get in 1lb. bags. Macros one day micros and iron the next. Then on 7th day I skip and add equilibrium. I may also add epsom salt if I see holes in leaves as that's usually a magnesium deficiency and epsom salt is magnesium not a salt. Works wonders by the time the new growth starts on plants.
As far as fish goes, I just know you don't want fin nippers for angel fish so if the fish leave angel fish alone you're good. Corydoras and plecos get along well in my experience. Don't get a common pleco, but maybe some kind of bristlenose so that it stays at 3-4 inches in length full grown.
I sure hope this helps!!

Good luck!
 

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Please do not get duckweed. Well, I will say is once you have it, it is so hard to get rid of. Thought I had it in only 2 tanks in my fish room and was happy it was disappearing. Now it's back in 7 tanks. I removed it all again, so hoping it is gone, but I never really know. I have crypts in my 40 breeder and they look sweet in the mid foreground of my tank. Dwarf hair grass is great, but mine always needed CO2 to thrive.

Here's what I would do. I would move filter to 40 with current plants and fish. You can even have tank set up with a few more plants that are new if you like. Be careful though as dying plant matter can cause issues with water quality and there's almost always die off when you get plants from the store. They are usually emersed and need to go to submerged growth. If you only have one filter, I'd buy a small sponge filter and put it in the 40 for a few weeks with a all air pump so you can then out it in the 20g and use as quarantine tank. Definitely do not want to kill your current fish with new ones when it can be avoided. Once they have passed through quarantine, you can move them to the new tank slowly so you don't overwhelm your current bio load. Root tabs work wonders for me as does making my own liquid fertilizers from powder fertilizers I get in 1lb. bags. Macros one day micros and iron the next. Then on 7th day I skip and add equilibrium. I may also add epsom salt if I see holes in leaves as that's usually a magnesium deficiency and epsom salt is magnesium not a salt. Works wonders by the time the new growth starts on plants.
As far as fish goes, I just know you don't want fin nippers for angel fish so if the fish leave angel fish alone you're good. Corydoras and plecos get along well in my experience. Don't get a common pleco, but maybe some kind of bristlenose so that it stays at 3-4 inches in length full grown.
I sure hope this helps!!

Good luck!
Thank you so much for all this information! I actually have had a good experience with duckweed which is why I decided to have some. All other floater plants have died on me for some reason. I dont think Ill be having Co2 in the tank so I may have to rethink DHG but I do like crypts, so Ill probably get those then. The plants in most of my LFS are all already submerged so they dont melt too much when I get them.

I actually have a 10g filter added onto my 20g (I closed one of my 5g tanks and I didnt want to lose the BB in it so I have it running on my 20g, so now I have 2 cycled filters on the 20g). Could I move that one instead and let it run in the tank for a day or 2 before I add in the fish? I am still kind of confused about what I should do for it? I do plan on using my 20g for a quarantine tank after I move out the fish.

Where do you get your ferts from and how much do you dose for you tank size?
 
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Looks like there are no 40Bs in any Pet Supplies Plus stores, called about 6 near me and they all had none. I guess I will wait till Petco has it. In the mean time, this give me more time to figure out my set up and what plants I want to put in. Still thinking about what additional light I should get for the tank.
 
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Exciting news!! I found a Pet Supplies Plus that had their last 40g tank. I picked it up and its sitting in the car rn. Once I get more stuff for it Ill take it out! Please excuse the messy car lol we had to move things quickly to make space.
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Update: I have the stand lid and filter now. I ended up adding a 1/2 inch plywood under the stand for stability. So far so good! Still need to test for leaks though hopefully there will be none. Also found some nice mopani wood at petco for only $7 a piece!!
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Got the tank filled today. I left some space for my 20g water that I will add tomorrow. Today I also picked up some plants:
Sagittaria Subulata (the lady accidentally gave me one of this and one of microsword, not sure what to do now)
Ludwiga repens
Amazon sword
Java Fern
Anubias Nana
Apongoten bulbs

I have osmocote plus fertilizers in about the whole tank. The light that is on is temporary because the actual light is still on my 20g. I plan on moving my other plants and rocks+fish tomorrow hopefully.
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Tank has settled down quite a bit, still waiting on the ammonia to get to 0, my tap has some in it and i dosed prime but it still reads .25ppm. I will probably add fish tomorrow because by then it should be 0, once i do that then I will fill it up all the way with the 20g water.
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Update 3: Tank has settled down so much! I still havent added fish as my tank still lingers at .25ppm of ammonia but I think I am just going to move them along with the filter which should cycle that .25ppm fine. I plan on ordering in a another light soon which should helpfully be perfect for the tank.
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Moved the fish over and they seem to really enjoy the space! I havent moved the shrimp yet, so they are chilling in the 20g with an airstone. I may move them tonight. Sorry for the glare, I couldnt find a good angle.
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Moved the fish over and they seem to really enjoy the space! I havent moved the shrimp yet, so they are chilling in the 20g with an airstone. I may move them tonight. Sorry for the glare, I couldnt find a good angle.
Your tank is BEAUTIFUL!! Enjoy that upgrade!!! What a fun project!
 

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Wow! Looks great! Did the tank end up being only $40? I always see them advertised up to 30g.
 
Dats a Fine looking tank!

Just one thing...


Looks like your tank is by your bed.

If it is don't kick it down lol.


Keep up the good work!
 
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Your tank is BEAUTIFUL!! Enjoy that upgrade!!! What a fun project!
Thank you so much!!! Its so thrilling building new tanks!
Wow! Looks great! Did the tank end up being only $40? I always see them advertised up to 30g.
It was actually $50 since its only half off the bigger tanks but it was still a good deal imo.
 
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Dats a Fine looking tank!

Just one thing...


Looks like your tank is by your bed.

If it is don't kick it down lol.


Keep up the good work!
Thank you!! Its actually next to my couch lol in the living room.
congrats, looks great
Thank you
 
Thank you!! Its actually next to my couch lol in the living room.

Thats cool!

Wish my mom let me have a 40g fish tank in the living room...

I'm restricted to my room for now V_V
 
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Thats cool!

Wish my mom let me have a 40g fish tank in the living room...

I'm restricted to my room for now V_V
The amount of convincing I had to do to with my mom was a lot lol. I had my dad on board but my mom grew to like it now. But they said this is my last tank lol. We will see about that.
 
The amount of convincing I had to do to with my mom was a lot lol. I had my dad on board but my mom grew to like it now. But they said this is my last tank lol. We will see about that.

Keep making your fish have babies and say that you will sell them and contribute to rent.

Then they will let you get more tanks to have more babies.

When the babies grow up you sell them then use that money or store credit you got to slap some fish that you want in the tank.

(You can say that you want to add more fish to the 40g and then slip em in the old baby tank behind their backs.) Or just straight up put em in the tank you don't have to say anything.

Tell your parents that the tanks are full and if they say something like "move em in the other tank" then you can say something like "I miscalculated the 40g tank's too full to put any more" or the big chunky comeback "how can I pay rent if I don't have room for any other baby fish" (something like that).

If you can you gotta make it seem like it's their decision to get the new tank. (Also the risk of losing rent money is scary lol).

Then you rinse and repeat until you have so many tanks that you can't walk anymore.

There are a lot of different ways to do this and a lot of different parents but this way is what is working for me.


My rice fish had babies so I did the "I want to pay for rent" thing and got a 5g.

Then I got shrimp, saying to my mom "I want to put them in the 30g"...

I put them in the 5g with the babies.

Now my mom seeing that there is shrimp in the tank says "we need more fish tanks for the baby fish".


I could have waited to sell all the baby rice fish and then get the shrimp but I was kind of impatient lol.
The shrimp don't harm the baby fish and the baby fish don't harm the shrimp... yet...

To summarize, unless there is a purpose other than that it looks cool parents won't allow you to get the tank. Find purpose for your tanks. Purpose that you couldn't live without and convince your parents with that.

I'll get a tank in the living room...

Someday...

I'll probably say I need space for plants or something.
I have given you my wisdom use it wisely I should be "Parent Manipulation to get Fishtank Guru"
 
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Keep making your fish have babies and say that you will sell them and contribute to rent.

Then they will let you get more tanks to have more babies.

When the babies grow up you sell them then use that money or store credit you got to slap some fish that you want in the tank.

(You can say that you want to add more fish to the 40g and then slip em in the old baby tank behind their backs.) Or just straight up put em in the tank you don't have to say anything.

Tell your parents that the tanks are full and if they say something like "move em in the other tank" then you can say something like "I miscalculated the 40g tank's too full to put any more" or the big chunky comeback "how can I pay rent if I don't have room for any other baby fish" (something like that).

If you can you gotta make it seem like it's their decision to get the new tank. (Also the risk of losing rent money is scary lol).

Then you rinse and repeat until you have so many tanks that you can't walk anymore.

There are a lot of different ways to do this and a lot of different parents but this way is what is working for me.


My rice fish had babies so I did the "I want to pay for rent" thing and got a 5g.

Then I got shrimp, saying to my mom "I want to put them in the 30g"...

I put them in the 5g with the babies.

Now my mom seeing that there is shrimp in the tank says "we need more fish tanks for the baby fish".


I could have waited to sell all the baby rice fish and then get the shrimp but I was kind of impatient lol.
The shrimp don't harm the baby fish and the baby fish don't harm the shrimp... yet...

To summarize, unless there is a purpose other than that it looks cool parents won't allow you to get the tank. Find purpose for your tanks. Purpose that you couldn't live without and convince your parents with that.

I'll get a tank in the living room...

Someday...

I'll probably say I need space for plants or something.
I have given you my wisdom use it wisely I should be "Parent Manipulation to get Fishtank Guru"
Omg this should be a whole book! Literally you have it figured out. Looks like I will need to use your tricks for next time My parents are gonna tell me the rent trick isn't going to cut it lol cause they wont accept my money, so they will decline but the baby trick will work! Just need to find fish that will breed and have the babies stay alive and then sell them till I get some good credit in a store then use that credit to buy another one. The only issue I have is that my mom thinks I am throwing money away for my fish, but I LOVE THEM. This hobby is so entertaining to have and its addicting!!
 
Omg this should be a whole book! Literally you have it figured out. Looks like I will need to use your tricks for next time My parents are gonna tell me the rent trick isn't going to cut it lol cause they wont accept my money, so they will decline but the baby trick will work! Just need to find fish that will breed and have the babies stay alive and then sell them till I get some good credit in a store then use that credit to buy another one. The only issue I have is that my mom thinks I am throwing money away for my fish, but I LOVE THEM. This hobby is so entertaining to have and its addicting!!

The beautiful thing about the "rent technique" is that even if your parents decline the rent just you offering the money will butter them up just a bit.

I forgot to mention this but my mom denied money for rent as well.
I'm pretty sure though that my offer helped convince her though somewhat.


If you couple the "rent technique" with the "baby technique" you may be able to butter your parents emotionally and physically (with your proposition of wanting to help them and the proof that you need more tanks).

Some parents don't seem to fully understand the concept of the fish tank hobby to me.

Like you said its an ADDICTION!
Making little fishy habitats is an art to us.

I suppose those parents prefer purpose over pleasure fuhu...


Convincing tactically (a better way of saying manipulation) or taking care of dem fishy friends I wish you the best of luck!


THIS IS THE WAY
Omg this should be a whole book! Literally you have it figured out. Looks like I will need to use your tricks for next time My parents are gonna tell me the rent trick isn't going to cut it lol cause they wont accept my money, so they will decline but the baby trick will work! Just need to find fish that will breed and have the babies stay alive and then sell them till I get some good credit in a store then use that credit to buy another one. The only issue I have is that my mom thinks I am throwing money away for my fish, but I LOVE THEM. This hobby is so entertaining to have and its addicting!!

The beautiful thing about the "rent technique" is that even if your parents decline the rent just you offering the money will butter them up just a bit.

I forgot to mention this but my mom denied money for rent as well.
I'm pretty sure though that my offer helped convince her though somewhat.


If you couple the "rent technique" with the "baby technique" you may be able to butter your parents emotionally and physically (with your proposition of wanting to help them and the proof that you need more tanks).

Some parents don't seem to fully understand the concept of the fish tank hobby to me.

Like you said its an ADDICTION!
Making little fishy habitats is an art to us.

I suppose those parents prefer purpose over pleasure fuhu...


Convincing tactically (a better way of saying manipulation) or taking care of dem fishy friends I wish you the best of luck!


THIS IS THE WAY
 

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The beautiful thing about the "rent technique" is that even if your parents decline the rent just you offering the money will butter them up just a bit.

I forgot to mention this but my mom denied money for rent as well.
I'm pretty sure though that my offer helped convince her though somewhat.


If you couple the "rent technique" with the "baby technique" you may be able to butter your parents emotionally and physically (with your proposition of wanting to help them and the proof that you need more tanks).

Some parents don't seem to fully understand the concept of the fish tank hobby to me.

Like you said its an ADDICTION!
Making little fishy habitats is an art to us.

I suppose those parents prefer purpose over pleasure fuhu...


Convincing tactically (a better way of saying manipulation) or taking care of dem fishy friends I wish you the best of luck!


THIS IS THE WAY


The beautiful thing about the "rent technique" is that even if your parents decline the rent just you offering the money will butter them up just a bit.

I forgot to mention this but my mom denied money for rent as well.
I'm pretty sure though that my offer helped convince her though somewhat.


If you couple the "rent technique" with the "baby technique" you may be able to butter your parents emotionally and physically (with your proposition of wanting to help them and the proof that you need more tanks).

Some parents don't seem to fully understand the concept of the fish tank hobby to me.

Like you said its an ADDICTION!
Making little fishy habitats is an art to us.

I suppose those parents prefer purpose over pleasure fuhu...


Convincing tactically (a better way of saying manipulation) or taking care of dem fishy friends I wish you the best of luck!


THIS IS THE WAY
dude you need to write a whole article about this. this is a serious issue in the fish community LOL. I will combine both of your techniques to make my parents give in and convert them to fish tank addicts best of luck to you too
 
dude you need to write a whole article about this. this is a serious issue in the fish community LOL. I will combine both of your techniques to make my parents give in and convert them to fish tank addicts best of luck to you too

Thanks!
dude you need to write a whole article about this. this is a serious issue in the fish community LOL. I will combine both of your techniques to make my parents give in and convert them to fish tank addicts best of luck to you too

I may just write an article about this...

Just hope I don’t get demonetized by the moderators for it though lol.
 
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New light came in the mail today and plants that I ordered are coming in tomorrow. I have now 40w on this tank and the par from the new light is awesome! I hope all my plants thrive!
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Yeah? Looks great. I was skimming through your post, you got that at Petco? If so whats the name of it?
Yeah theyre 2 pieces of the medium mopani wood. I price matched them in store from the app for $7 each. Very good deal imo
 
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Got my plants yesterday from Marcus Fish tanks, AWESOME plants!! He gave me a whole extra bunch of ludiwiga ovalis and an extra crypt!! I have added them all in the tank and they look amazing! I ordered 2 of the sagitarria subulata and I recieved so many!
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Just received my order of fertilizer and a cholla wood for the shrimp. Looks good! Cant wait to see the plants growth!
 
This is really nice. It’s amazing how quickly it came together and how good it looks already. It took me three years to figure out my fish tank. I’m excited to see more pictures!
 
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This is really nice. It’s amazing how quickly it came together and how good it looks already. It took me three years to figure out my fish tank. I’m excited to see more pictures!
Thank you! When it comes to patience, I have very little. So setting up this tank had to be done quickly for me lol. Heres a recent pic I took. Ill try to put a pic up each week to document any growth.
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just want to say this tank is absolutely gorgeous, the scape looks great and your fish look healthy and happy.
 
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just want to say this tank is absolutely gorgeous, the scape looks great and your fish look healthy and happy.
Thank you so much
 
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Well looks like the fish arent as healthy as I thought. Just saw some camallanus worms sticking out Not sure how they got it but looks like I am going to have pause on getting any new fish.
 
Well looks like the fish arent as healthy as I thought. Just saw some camallanus worms sticking out Not sure how they got it but looks like I am going to have pause on getting any new fish.
Sorry I liked this, I wanted to do a sad reaction but I couldn’t figure it out. I hope they get better soon.
 
i highly recommend getting a group of bolivian rams and a school of danios. Both species are super personable, and i really love them in my 40 breeder
 

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Sorry I liked this, I wanted to do a sad reaction but I couldn’t figure it out. I hope they get better soon.
move your cursor over the like button and it should pull of the emoticons
 
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Sorry I liked this, I wanted to do a sad reaction but I couldn’t figure it out. I hope they get better soon.
Its alright, thank you.
 
I know your fish will get better marmaa!

You are a great fishkeeper! Think of this like a trial or test you have to pass to become an even greater fish keeper.

Praying for your fish!
 
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I know your fish will get better marmaa!

You are a great fishkeeper! Think of this like a trial or test you have to pass to become an even greater fish keeper.

Praying for your fish!
Aw thank you! This made me smile

I will keep ya'll updated. I already dosed the tank with Levamisole and I can already see the worms coming out so hopefully the treatment works well and it doesn't come back again!
 
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Okay so update on day 2. I see more worms hanging out of the fish and they are less red then when they were barely sticking out. I am going to leave it till tomorrow night which would make it 48 hours and see how they are with worms.

The fish were pretty lazy/lethargic this morning but have gotten their color back more by the end of the day. All shrimp are molting and doing well, I havent seen my snail around so Ill have to go look for her.
 
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Did a massive w/c to remove the meds and added some carbon. I fed them fenbendazole food and they chomped that stuff up nicely. I see no worms in their butt hope it works out.

My crypt started pearling after a w/c! First time seeing it pearl, here's a clip. Sorry for the water I had just done a w/c so its a bit messy.

 
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Good news, fish are wayyy more active now after the treatment and fenbendazole dipped food for 3 days. Theres already one cherry starting to mate with my other and I feel so good now that they are better. I dont want to jinx it but so far so good. Only issue is my snail isnt moving so much rn, I saw her move but shes stopped so I hope shes fine. I will dose the tank again in 2 weeks from now to make sure all worms are gone!

Here are some pics of rn, I removed the wood for now for easier gravel vacc w/ the meds. also excuse the glass algae please
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