Here I go again!! 180gal Discus tank.

[Charlyc]

Lol well there at least 2 closed on Tuesday!

The LFS I bring my ABN's open Thursday through Sunday.

 

[Rose of Sharon]

What do you do with all of those babies, lol?

 

[Charlyc]

It must be going around all my rams (4 pairs) spawned within two days. 3 Thursday and one last night.

 

[Linda1234]

I'm more impressed with how passive the discus are when breeding; i'm not sure i would try that with rams or angels; at least the rams i've had have been pretty brutal to other rams when breeding even in a 4ft aquarium though i suppose it depends in individual pairs.

 

[86 ssinit]

Funny a few years ago I got 3 pairs from coralbandit. I put them in a 5 gal for qt. It was all I had. All 3 pairs laid eggs in the 5. They were all eaten in 3 days but no aggression in the tank.

 

[Linda1234]

Funny a few years ago I got 3 pairs from coralbandit. I put them in a 5 gal for qt. It was all I had. All 3 pairs laid eggs in the 5. They were all eaten in 3 days but no aggression in the tank.

No clue what coralbandit does to discipline his fishes but the few rams i've owned have been far more aggressive. Maybe he is feeding them some happy food.

 

[Charlyc]

No clue what coralbandit does to discipline his fishes but the few rams i've owned have been far more aggressive. Maybe he is feeding them some happy food.

Not as well behaved as you think.

 

[86 ssinit]

 

[KribensisLover1]

Love love love love love love.

 

[86 ssinit]

Well I’ve had some losses. My white albino stopped eating. Move him to a qt tank and raised the temp. Used water from the 180 and filter media. But it just seemed the change was too much. These are tough fish. Its eyesight was bad from the beginning. So it never got enough food. I did hand feed it but it wasn’t enough. So after the move I did treat it with a round of metro. But nothing. Never showed white poo so I was just guessing. Hoped in qt it would get more food but the stress of the move did it in.

In the other qt tank I’d picked up a “what they are now calling wilds” green discus with a red halo. Nice looking fish. It was doing great in qt. All looked good and then it just started spinning out of control and very fast. Was hitting things and then stop and go back to normal. Been reading a lot of this on discus forums. Well it passed too. Not sure if from whatever it had or from running into something. Again these fish are tough.

So I figured it’s been awhile so I pulled out good old Doc Wellfish and tested the tanks and tap. Tap just ph and nitrates. All in the other tanks. so all good. Discus all look good but that really doesn’t mean much. They say these fish can live 10yrs. But I’m not seeing it.

 

[bgarthe]

What a great read/story. Your set ups and attention to detail are awesome.

 

[86 ssinit]

Thanks! I do like to tell it as it is .
Now the 125 has been up and running great. A few months the algae started growing on the mid back so I shut off the back light. It is gone now and I put the light back on with no sign of it returning . So when I moved this tank to its new spot I decided to use the stand from the other 125. It is an open stand. Not likeing it! So here I went again and switched stands. I got lucky because I did try and sell it. Yes this does look better. A days work. Fish are fine. Put the tank with the black background on marketplace and sold it in 2 days . Gave the guy the other half of the backgroung in case he didn’t like the black.
The tank today.

 

[Linda1234]

I don't know about much about discus but with other sa fishes I'm finding that wc fishes live a lot longer than domestic raised ones. I'm guessing it has to do with all the inbreeding but dont' really know for sure.

 

[Marlene327]

Well I’ve had some losses. My white albino stopped eating. Move him to a qt tank and raised the temp. Used water from the 180 and filter media. But it just seemed the change was too much. These are tough fish. Its eyesight was bad from the beginning. So it never got enough food. I did hand feed it but it wasn’t enough. So after the move I did treat it with a round of metro. But nothing. Never showed white poo so I was just guessing. Hoped in qt it would get more food but the stress of the move did it in.

In the other qt tank I’d picked up a “what they are now calling wilds” green discus with a red halo. Nice looking fish. It was doing great in qt. All looked good and then it just started spinning out of control and very fast. Was hitting things and then stop and go back to normal. Been reading a lot of this on discus forums. Well it passed too. Not sure if from whatever it had or from running into something. Again these fish are tough.

So I figured it’s been awhile so I pulled out good old Doc Wellfish and tested the tanks and tap. Tap just ph and nitrates. All in the other tanks.View attachment 870310View attachment 870311so all good. Discus all look good but that really doesn’t mean much. They say these fish can live 10yrs. But I’m not seeing it. View attachment 870313View attachment 870312

I'm so very sad for you. Those are such big beautiful majestic fish, what a joy to behold. We take these fish (all fish in general) out of their natural habitats and do our level best to replicate that and provide a safe healthy home. Then mysterious things happen and you doubt if you're worthy. I will say yes, we are worthy. Nothing that happened was your fault, and I doubt you did anything wrong. You've studied and learned and have taken such pride in these tanks, in these stunning fish. I hope this bad streak has come to an end.

Just asking, but what is your QT like? How long was the newest green one in there before it spun out? Were there any other fish with it? If not, do they handle solitude well? I know nothing at all about discus. I sure have enjoyed watching your tanks evolve!

 

[jackywacky]

im sorry... that must suck!

 

[86 ssinit]

Well the thing is these fish are so far away from their wild counterparts that nothing wild remains. These fish are grown yrs ago in 40g tanks but now grown in Asia in huge vats. They don’t come in these colors in the wild. These colors are all man made. In the vats in Asia they add certain meds and color enhancers. Nobody really know what else. So the fact that they don’t live that long isn’t shocking. They also develop illnesses. There’s a list on all the different things. The whirling has been brought up for years. But to figure it out you would have to dissect the dead fish. So whirling been around but not a lot just isolated stories. This year it’s coming up a lot. Many stories but no real answers as to why. Earlier this year I ordered 2 online. They came but were smaller than advertised. One was a runt. These were domestic. Colors were very nice.the smaller one in front came down with whirling. Was in qt for 2 months then started whirling. I had never seen it before only read about it. The fish died within a day. This is what whirling was in all my reading. Came quick fish died and never seen again. Lucky me I got to see it first hand . Now this green guy I got was supposed to be a wild or a 1 off. Wasn’t written on the tank but the guy told me after bagged. This fish was in a qt tank with 2 other discus for about a month when it started a darting like whirl. It went on for about 4 days. It would spin out crazy throughout the tank and than stop And be fine for hours. But it either ran into something or heart stopped. I don’t know just found it dead. Thing is this does seem to be happening a lot lately with these so called wilds. Probably not wild but being bred for sale as wilds.

 

[TClare]

Sounds like some kind of fish seizure? As it goes back to normal after a bout of whirling...something neurological.

 

[86 ssinit]

Yes but I’ll never know. It seems to be happening more often than ever before. I take it as all the inbreeding of these fish.

 

[TClare]

Yes but I’ll never know. It seems to be happening more often than ever before. I take it as all the inbreeding of these fish.

Yes, very likely.

 

[KribensisLover1]

Cute boxer! This is a Boston Terrier

Well the thing is these fish are so far away from their wild counterparts that nothing wild remains. These fish are grown yrs ago in 40g tanks but now grown in Asia in huge vats. They don’t come in these colors in the wild. These colors are all man made. In the vats in Asia they add certain meds and color enhancers. Nobody really know what else. So the fact that they don’t live that long isn’t shocking. They also develop illnesses. There’s a list on all the different things. The whirling has been brought up for years. But to figure it out you would have to dissect the dead fish. So whirling been around but not a lot just isolated stories. This year it’s coming up a lot. Many stories but no real answers as to why. Earlier this year I ordered 2 online. They came but were smaller than advertised. One was a runt. These were domestic. Colors were very nice.View attachment 870396the smaller one in front came down with whirling. Was in qt for 2 months then started whirling. I had never seen it before only read about it. The fish died within a day. This is what whirling was in all my reading. Came quick fish died and never seen again. Lucky me I got to see it first hand . Now this green guy I got was supposed to be a wild or a 1 off. Wasn’t written on the tank but the guy told me after bagged. This fish was in a qt tank with 2 other discus for about a month when it started a darting like whirl. It went on for about 4 days. It would spin out crazy throughout the tank and than stop And be fine for hours. But it either ran into something or heart stopped. I don’t know just found it dead. Thing is this does seem to be happening a lot lately with these so called wilds. Probably not wild but being bred for sale as wilds.

Omg wasn’t the white your favorite? I’m so so sorry!

 

[86 ssinit]

Yes it was. Just a shame. I wish I could figure out what was wrong. But in the end these fish are just hard to keep. So much info out there and so many new meds people throw at them. It’s hard to figure out what’s wrong in the first place. So many of these fish just stop eating. It’s like an old age thing. When old fish just stop eating. Thing is these fish aren’t that old.

The white wasn’t the first but I believe its eyesight helped. I’ve medicated these fish with no results. And I think the meds only weaken them.

 

[KribensisLover1]

Yes it was. Just a shame. I wish I could figure out what was wrong. But in the end these fish are just hard to keep. So much info out there and so many new meds people throw at them. It’s hard to figure out what’s wrong in the first place. So many of these fish just stop eating. It’s like an old age thing. When old fish just stop eating. Thing is these fish aren’t that old.

The white wasn’t the first but I believe its eyesight helped. I’ve medicated these fish with no results. And I think the meds only weaken them.

Oh I am so sorry. You are (imho) an example of a fish keeper who does everuthing right, yet sometimes inexplicable things happen. I mean, outsiders just don’t get that we are legit recreating a lake or river in a box. And you do that flawlessly but sometimes we can’t figure stuff out. I wish there were more vets that took care of fish bc I want to know these answers!

 

[86 ssinit]

Some morning pics

 

[86 ssinit]

Some pics from this morn. Add the 3 new guys yesterday.

 

[Charlyc]

Tom
In your opinion what do you like better the Clear for life or Seaclear.

 

[86 ssinit]

Can’t answer that. Never had a sea clear in the 125 or bigger size. No problems with the clear for life’s. No problems with the smaller sea clears either. Havnt read a bad review or either. Buying new or used?

 

[Charlyc]

Can’t answer that. Never had a sea clear in the 125 or bigger size. No problems with the clear for life’s. No problems with the smaller sea clears either. Havnt read a bad review or either. Buying new or used?

Just what I can see is the rounded Coners at the front of the tank. It's the same manufacturer of the Clarity Plus I believe. Also, SeaClear 125 long with lids 1,157.99 free shipping and the Clear for Life same size 1,383.69 I don't know if the have lids also free shipping.
B J Cuddles out of CA has the SeaClear for $799 I just asked for shipping quote.

 

[86 ssinit]

Have you checked petsmart online. Bought2 through them. They were on sale (lots of sales) and best prices. Bought my 180 shipped with covers 2100.

 

[Charlyc]

Have you checked petsmart online. Bought2 through them. They were on sale (lots of sales) and best prices. Bought my 180 shipped with covers 2100.

Been keeping an eye on them.

 

[Charlyc]

Tom you need another 180G I'll contribute by buying one of yours. Lol, dummy missed out on the last one.
Working on your pairs, the gold spawned in the community tank but eggs gone fast. The PBR's we will see if I got it correct, got 2 weeks to tell. Sometimes with PBR's is hard to tell but the male swagger you can be seen no problem. The females are tricky but some show some blue spots on their side.




I think the gold male and possibly the female got a little banged up while trying to protect the eggs. I might try another pair make sure I have a good one. They might heal quick usually the rams recover fast. I will have a backup anyway.

 

[86 ssinit]

Let me know when you’re coming up. Got these 6 rainbows for you. Most close to 2” and coloring up niceor these 6-8 month group (5) that are about an 1” and no color yet.
Guess this will merge with above. But here’s some side pics of the 180

 

[Charlyc]

I will head that way Friday the 16th in the morning, my daughter is in Bohemia but we can meet anytime Friday afternoon or Saturday. I will be prepared to hold the Rainbow at my daughters house since I leave on Sunday morning. Busy day today opening the pool. It's a little late but being away for a week in Florida I always wind up opening a few weeks later than I want to.

 

[Charlyc]

Ok here I go. Today clear for life was 20% off with free shipping so I pulled the trigger. This is the 120 Long 18"L x 72"W x 20"H. I will take down one of my 75 gallon tanks and move upstairs in the guest room and use it for the turtle. The 55 is a bit small for her I will retire the 55 gallon she is in. I will most likely copy your stand design.

You said your came with tops? Nothing in the decription.


PS. I just told my wife she thinks I am nuts.

 

[Charlyc]

Tom
A few questions for you. The overflow box you used on the 180 is it drilled? The one in one of your pic's shows the Power Flow 1200 and that siphon, correct? How safe are those?
I was thinking of drilling mine I found in the Market place this one for $120 might be an over kill. Also, this sump what you think?

 

[86 ssinit]

Ok for me I just don’t like drilling tanks. Reduces value of tank when drilled. The pictured overflow has 3 outlets and looks like something for a 400g+ tank. Kind of big . The single tube eshopps moving 800g or more is all you need.
As to a sump you can buy an old one for pretty cheap. Bought this for $60bought an eshopps 120 last year for $100. It’s a wet/dry for up to 125g. Got it on a 90g. Many deals out there.
The eshopps power flow 800 will work for that tank. You need to ignore their description’s. My 800 will move 800gph my 1000 moves about 1200gph. No clue why they say 100 and 150 gph? It’s a 1” down pipe. For a pump I use the Jebao dc pumps. Running 3 now and have a spare in case of problems.

 

[Charlyc]

But how safe are the power flow boxes? No accidents losing siphon? If you think they are safe I rather go that direction. I already use Hygger pumps in my RO barrels so I would stay with the brand I like them a lot and the two I have could be used as spares if needed.
By the way the pare of Pitch Black Rams I put aside for you just had their first spawn.

 

[86 ssinit]

I’ve got the 800 and the 1200 and a similar aqua-link. Never had a problem. I turn off the pumps at every water change. Never a problem.

Hygger are jebao pumps. Just renamed hygger. The hyggers you use are dc motors?

Funny thing. The blacks I know are the more in demand rams but I’m a fan of the golds. Don’t know if you’re culling them. But I’d be more than happy with golds!

 

[Charlyc]

I’ve got the 800 and the 1200 and a similar aqua-link. Never had a problem. I turn off the pumps at every water change. Never a problem.

Hygger are jebao pumps. Just renamed hygger. The hyggers you use are dc motors?

Funny thing. The blacks I know are the more in demand rams but I’m a fan of the golds. Don’t know if you’re culling them. But I’d be more than happy with golds!

I have both for you and they spawned also.

This the pumps I been using they are 24 volts DC

 

[86 ssinit]

When you come up I’ll show you my setups. I use wet/drys and they work great. Sumps I just don’t get. I understand them. But they just seem like just another way to sell a similar system. Thing with sumps isthereare 2 different types. Freshwater and salt. They look the same but are different.
Same pump just remained for hygger. Jabao is the parent company. Either way they are great pumps for the price.

 

[Charlyc]

When I go Saturday would be the best to meet up Friday we have dinner with my daughter and sister in-law. Their birthdays and of court Fathers day all close. If you want I can bring some more golds or I will wind up taking to the LFS and I already have too much credit in that store. Just let me know I have a bunch to let go.

 

[86 ssinit]

Hey just looking. I got a guy by me selling the eshopps 125 for $50.
Think I bought the 125. And just found a guy with the 800 overflow for $25. To funny!

 

[Charlyc]

Hey just looking. I got a guy by me selling the eshopps 125 for $50.
Think I bought the 125. And just found a guy with the 800 overflow for $25. To funny!

you have the link?

I see one in West Islip for $25, I wish people would clean the stuff up before taking a pic. But it would clean up with some acid.

 

[86 ssinit]

Lol bought them both. If interested they’re yours. I’m mean those were a steal. That’s a whole wet/dry for $75. And maybe 2 overflow boxes .

 

[Charlyc]

Lol bought them both. If interested they’re yours. I’m mean those were a steal. That’s a whole wet/dry for $75. And maybe 2 overflow boxes .

Boy you are quick shoot me a picture and yes interested.

 

[86 ssinit]

Well it get even better! The wet/dry is for a 150g tank and so is the overflow. For $75 this is a steal!! Very nice setup. Overflow cleaned up easy. The wet/dry will probably either need the balls in the ball pit replaced or soaked in a bleach mix. Me I’d soak them. The balls have got very expensive. The system inside the cabinet is what I though I was getting.

The owner of the wet/dry had his tank drilled. Said he kept freshwater. So no overflow. To funny that that’s the right overflow!

 

[Charlyc]

That is awesome, if you are not going to use it I will buy from you.
Great timing

 

[86 ssinit]

It’s yours if you want it.

 

[Charlyc]

I PM you my email and number incase need to be in touch when I am up there.

PS. Don't breathe too much.

 

[86 ssinit]

Lol it looks great today! And of course they put everything on hold in the city. The best job has got to be meteorologists.

 

[Charlyc]

Well it get even better! The wet/dry is for a 150g tank and so is the overflow. For $75 this is a steal!! Very nice setup. Overflow cleaned up easy. The wet/dry will probably either need the balls in the ball pit replaced or soaked in a bleach mix. Me I’d soak them. The balls have got very expensive. View attachment 881747The system inside the cabinet is what I though I was getting.

The owner of the wet/dry had his tank drilled. Said he kept freshwater. So no overflow. To funny that that’s the right overflow!

Just got let me know what you want for it. I will pick it up when I see you over the weekend. (Finders fees)