Plants are suffering...but more fertilizer increases algae

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I have a 10g tank with 9 ember tetras and a few java ferns, anubius, and cryptocoryne wenditii. The thing is, all my plant's growth is stunted and shows signs of some form of nutrient deficiency. I have constant green dust algae on my tank walls, but I immediately get a significant algal bloom whenever I add more fertilizer(NilocG Thrive+, 1 ml, once a week). My lighting is only on for 8.5 hours a day (Nicrew, 11w I think). I change my water every two weeks, and all the parameters are good(below). What am I doing wrong?

Ammonia-0
Nitrite-0
Ph-7-7.2
Nitrate-5-10(can't tell which, the colors look the same to me ;))
 

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Turn lights to 8 hours, do water changes weekly. See how that affects the algae. What you have is an imbalance so you need to figure out what the imbalance is being caused by, and as you said, the fertilizer is only contributing to the imbalance.
 
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Ok thanks. I went to turn it down and it turns out that it was already at 8. 7.5 seems really low…maybe it’s not enough light for the plants to consume? Should I turn it up to 9 hours with 2 ml of ferts so they have more time to absorb the nutrients?
 
Set your light to 8 hours a day and put in a whole lot of fast-growing plants (Stemmed plants) they will produce Oxygen that will keep the Algae at bay. The higher the Oxygen level the less algae you will have.
 
Set your light to 8 hours a day and put in a whole lot of fast-growing plants (Stemmed plants) they will produce Oxygen that will keep the Algae at bay. The higher the Oxygen level the less algae you will have.
O.o They use up the nutrient surplus thus outcompeting the algae. It has nothing to do with oxygen. Algae also produce oxygen themselves.
 

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The higher the Oxygen level the less algae you will have.

Please elaborate. The last time I checked a hillstream in the wild (lots of oxygen), it had plenty of algae.
I have a 10g tank with 9 ember tetras and a few java ferns, anubius, and cryptocoryne wenditii. The thing is, all my plant's growth is stunted and shows signs of some form of nutrient deficiency. I have constant green dust algae on my tank walls, but I immediately get a significant algal bloom whenever I add more fertilizer(NilocG Thrive+, 1 ml, once a week). My lighting is only on for 8.5 hours a day (Nicrew, 11w I think). I change my water every two weeks, and all the parameters are good(below). What am I doing wrong?

Ammonia-0
Nitrite-0
Ph-7-7.2
Nitrate-5-10(can't tell which, the colors look the same to me ;))

Please show an image of stunted growth as well as an image of the whole tank.

Those parameters don't mean a whole lot for plants.

Light duration is seriously overrated. Light intensity is most likely the main issue. The fertilizers are probably just waste, due to a lack of CO2 and photosynthetic rate of the species mentioned. The intense light is what causes issues.

I expect to see a difference in symptoms between the species mentioned.
 
Is this a high tech CO2 injected tank? We don't have that product here but on their website they say that it is made for high tech tanks and requires at least 50% water changes weekly. If you're not injecting CO2 it's no wonder that adding it causes increased algae.

If you're not injecting CO2 I suggest using ThriveC instead and use it sparingly. Apparently that is their less concentrated low tech version. Someone from the US can correct me if I'm wrong.
 
There's a balance. Plants can only do as well as the lowest available resource. When that's exhausted, the plant shuts down and stops the uptake of nutrients and the rest of the resources sit in excess for algae to capitalize on since they aren't as advanced as far as processes.

Plants have photosynthesis and respiration, light on photosynthesis ( light, co2, nutrients = creation of glucose for energy production of oxygen), lights off respiration (those created sugars + oxygen, creation of co2 that's released, the plant working 24/7.

Now if you run short on something, the plant can't perform these functions well, or at all if something is depleted. This leaves excesses in one or another area for algae to capitalize on.
If you run excess nutrients you'll get algae also. Excess light also algae, excess co2 also excess algae.

So where does this leave us?
Too much co2? Do you add co2? If not it's unlikely the plants are creating too much alone, but too little? Also unlikely if you have low demand plants and not heavily planted.

Too much light? Recommendation is 8-10 hours generally, however in a new tank with small plants it might be as low as 6 hours a day, so there isn't excess light for algae.

Too much nutrients or a deficency? If you are using a fertilizer, this is usually the problem and it's usually too much, far more than your plants can use. Heavy and very regular water changes can remove them, more plants, can remove them.
A deficiency might occur if you are heavily planted.
, think of the aquarium like a potted plant. One plant in the pot you might fertilize 1x per year. 20 plants in a pot you might need to fertilize 1x per month, 50 plants in a pot you might need to fertilize 1x per week. Theres still limitations to the pot or the aquarium though, you don't want roots twisting around each other and choking off plants, getting matted and root bound, but small volume of soil to hold nutrients and too many plants makes it run short, and too much fertilizers create excesses that are no good either, you'll get weeds, unintended plants popping up (like algae, the aquariums "weeds" also) to take up the excesses and can oitcompete the plants if allowed to run amok.

But there is a balance. Most people adjust and tweak until they get the results they were looking for. Reducing lighting, adding co2, adding more plants, doing more water change if they think nutrients are too high, adding or withholding fertilizers.
There are nutrient testing kits, meters and monitors also, if you wanted to approach it from a scientific angle and know the numbers,

Your cause is most likely too much fertilizers for the plants you have. Excess that causes algae, algae that coats plants and interferes with photo synthesis, and your water changing schedule should be 1x per week, or more, until it's controlled and the excesses are taken down. You should be fertilizing just for what the plants need, the extras just feed the nuisances, too much of a good thing like fertilizer is a bad thing, if the plants get Coated and can't take the light efficiently, they can't take up nutrients efficiently either and convert them to sugars to grow.
So add more plants, reduce fertilization, increase water changes, and play with this until you find the right balance, or buy the monitors and tests and see where the nutrient problem is exactly.
Most folks change it up until they find what works.
 
The plants in your tank are relatively slow growing. They can do just fine with low lighting, low amounts of nutrients, and no added CO2. Because they are slow growing, it may be that the amount of nutrients you are adding is more than they need and the algae is taking advantage of the excess nutrients.

The problem with using all-in-one fertilizers is that they are designed to add an excess of all nutrients. Then you have to do frequent, large water changes to eliminate the excess. If you increase the frequency of your water changes, that might help.

If your desirable plants are lacking in one or more nutrients, you would be far better off providing that specific nutrient than an all-in-one fertilizer. However, that means you have to diagnose the condition of the plants to determine which nutrient is lacking. There are web sites that show photos of plants suffering from specific nutrient deficiencies. By comparing your plants to the photos, you can determine which nutrients your plants lack.
 
Try adding some floating plants such as water lettuce, they grow quickly, take up excess nutrients and provide shade, all of which help to prevent too much algae. Fish like the shade and shelter provided by the roots. In a small tank they will soon quickly cover the top completely, but its pretty easy to remove some each week.

You should still be able to add an all in one fertilizer once a week, or every two weeks, but don't use one recommended for high tech setups.
 
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Is this a high tech CO2 injected tank? We don't have that product here but on their website they say that it is made for high tech tanks and requires at least 50% water changes weekly. If you're not injecting CO2 it's no wonder that adding it causes increased algae.
I don’t add CO2
So add more plants, reduce fertilization, increase water changes, and play with this until you find the right balance, or buy the monitors and tests and see where the nutrient problem is exactly.
Most folks change it up until they find what works.
Ok thank you so much! I’ll play around with it
How long has the tank been set up?
What substrate did you use?
A little under 2 years, I just have a sand substrate and put Seachem Root Tabs
Try adding some floating plants such as water lettuce, they grow quickly, take up excess nutrients and provide shade, all of which help to prevent too much algae. Fish like the shade and shelter provided by the roots. In a small tank they will soon quickly cover the top completely, but its pretty easy to remove some each week.

You should still be able to add an all in one fertilizer once a week, or every two weeks, but don't use one recommended for high tech setups.
Ive been thinking about getting Salvinia Minima for a while, Water Lettuce is illegal in my area. I might pull the trigger then if it can help with algae.

Thank you to everyone for all the responses, I really appreciate it! :)
 
Hornwort and frogbit will suck up a lot of nutrients. I removed some leaves from the crypts that had the most algae and did some extra water changes and that helped.
 

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