Pairing up behaviour or should I separate? Help please

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Hi so I can’t work out wether to separate my JDs
The male has been dancing and twitching at the female they swim together she swims round him then he aggressively chases her around the tank until she hides! Is this normal mating behaviour or should I separate them? She is smaller than him they are in a 350L tank with just them and a Pleco there are places for the female to get away. Any help appreciated thank you
Pic of male offender lol
 

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That's a healthy looking male. Do you have a pic of the female?
 

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This is them together! Thanks

Also seems to be worse when I feed them and he sees her and chases her away!
 

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I think you might have one dominant male and one subordinate male.

Female Jack's usually have a big solid blue patch on the gill plate. It's called a blue beard.
Male Jack's have broken spangles on the gill plate, like yours.
 
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I’m very confident it is a female, he is dancing twitching would he do that to a male?
 
He could be flaring at the other one.

I also agree that it's an alpha + beta male.
 

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Two males, the big male is dominating the smaller one. yes dominant male cichlids will act like that with subordinate males. challenging and flashing, and chasing keeping the subordinate male in it's place.

It's really not going to work long term, he's going to hinder the smaller one from eating enough to grow taking most of the food for himself to stay the dominant fish, so they will always have a size difference if kept together. If you wanted to balance them out in size, they'd need to be separated and the small one given more often, smaller feedings, that equals more food consumed each day so he can put on body mass and grow, while the larger one goes on a diet.

Jack Dempseys run in a temperature range of 72F to 86F, with 78F being the middle ground if you run the big one cooler, say 74F, his metabolism will slow down ( so does digestion) and make him want to eat less often. And if you run the smaller one warmer, say 82-83F, his metabolism will speed up (also digestion) and make him want to eat more. It helps speed along or slow down growth doing this short term, like a few months to allow smaller fish to catch up. The big one processes food slowly, the small one processes food quickly and starts to catch up in size.

When it catches up in size you could try them again see if it changes the dynamic at all. but usually only one male is going to be in charge and assert it's dominance over the weaker/smaller one, but they can come to an agreement without a female present that they are equals in size and strength and with enough food available, they can learn to coexist also.

No guarantee that works out though, it may just change who's picking on who, or remain the same dynamic, but it could work.
If you plan was to have a male and female, then certainly this isn't going to work.
 
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i will try and get better photos of the ‘unknown sex one’ yes my plan was to get him a mate! Thanks for all info really appreciate it!

I was told by Trimar aquarium that’s it was female I paid £40 to get her posted to me ‍♀️ I checked with who I got my male from that has a lot of experience with JDs and she thought female as did a few others she asked! She is a lot paler and her fins are more rounder but I know what you are saying about the colourful blotches on the cheek you would expect from a female!
 
Unfortunately if they are in fact two males, sooner or later lip lock battles will likely occur, which can potentially lead to injury or death.

Very few adult Central American Cichlid males can coexist in a tank together.
 
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Yes I wouldn’t want to risk keeping together if it is in fact male! Here are photos when I first put her or him in the tank about a week ago they were fine at first swimming around together then he started dancing I thought the chasing was part of the pairing up process but he does it until the other one hides and get very chasy when it’s feeding time! I’m not sure if these are good enough I will try get more later!

Is there no way of uploading vids on here?
 

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Yeah, to share a video on here you'd need to post it like on YouTube or somewhere else that shares media files and then link to it.
 

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That's almost definitely a male.

Unfortunately it is becoming increasingly common for sellers to sell the wrong sex in order to gatekeep breeding of more valuable species and to make you buy more fish in the hopes that you're sent the right sex next time, which you likely never will be.

I have no idea how valuable JDs are, and I don't think it's even particularly hard to breed them, but I can imagine that a successfully-reared brood of 50+ is a modest paycheck, especially in an industrial setting where several broods are being raised at once.
 
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More pics added
 

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Here in the USA, a common juvenile Jack Dempsey sells for seven or eight dollars. A juvenile electric blue Jack is usually $20.

I still believe they are both males.
Research online, Monster Fish Keepers forum. There is plenty of info & pics about Jack Dempseys there.
 
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Thank you all appreciate your time!
I will separate them today
 
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I am in UK the smaller JD cost me £25
Elec blue in UK are around £30 each for 4-5cm little guys!
 

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