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I agree, she's losing it. Daenery's dying is definitely possible now. I've also heard rumors the title of the last episode is called "The Wolf and the Dragon"....potentially pointing towards a Stark/Daenery's clash. I really have no guesses on how it's all going to end. But Dany getting all "mad king" seems likely.
I did not notice that where/when is it?
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Not a great episode. Looks like they’re rushing to end the series. Didn’t get the Bronn thing? Seemed pointless. Or understand what Jamie was up too. Can’t believe they were surprised yet again and lost a dragon because of it. Only thing I liked was Aria and the hound back together and heading to Cerci. Hope there’s more to this.
Also Starbucks paid for that cup!!
Also Starbucks paid for that cup!!
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I liked it overall. It was more of a substance episode than action. Which is how the whole series started off to begin with. I think the Jamie thing was presented in a way to keep viewers wondering if he's going to fight along side CerseI or to go kill her. His character has slowly been building towards redemption so I think he's off to kill her. Really could go either way. Lot's of set up to leave you wondering if Daenarys is going to lose it and become the mad Queen. But I agree the Bronn thing didn't seem like there was any point to it.
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It appears to have been an oversight - a disposable Starbucks cup sitting on a table during dinner. It's in one quick shot then gone in the next.
I'm a fan of Pajiba's GOT recaps and found their summary of the last episode especially on point - it's here if anyone's interested.
I'm pretty disappointed with this season and that bums me out because I'm such a fan. It's unfortunate that the final season is arguably the most disjointed, especially when everyone was hoping for strong story and character arc conclusions.
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The more I mull over season 8 so far in my head the more disappointed I am. Ever since the shows passed the books in season 6 it's all gone down hill. George R.R. Martin Game of Thrones was written to finally be a fantasy novel that broke the mold and didn't have every single stereotypical trope this genre always has. It has very deep story lines, ones where fans could come up with all these crazy deep theories on what might be going on etc. and they could actually be true and many of them came true through season 5. Now that H.B.O. writers have taken over and don't have the books to go off of every deep story plot has been thrown out the window. I guess Jon Snow was brought back to life for absolutely no reason, I guess all the build up and intrigue of the white walkers is never answered, I guess Bran became the 3 eyed raven for no reason, I guess every prophecy that was built up for YEARS and woven into the storyline (the reincarnation of Azur AhaI and the Prince that was Promised.) was all for, you guessed it. Nothing. I guess the years of watching the dragons grow up waiting for them to become the most formidable foe we all wanted to watch DESTROY things all just to realize they're actually pretty weak sauce dragons and spears are far more dangerous than dragons. The writers literally said the picked Arya to kill the Night King because she was the least expected......not because of the years and years of story line build up for Jon to do it which was why he was BROUGHT BACK FROM THE DEAD. The whole Jon coming back from the dead storyline is 100% pointless now. I could keep ranting and ranting. The show started amazingly, it broke the stereotypical mold. Once HBO writers took over it became the same old usual mold, predictable b.s. HBO writers think they can just use a subversion writing tactic over and over and over again and viewers will just eat it up. Season 6-8 sucks, there I said it.
On the Jon snow being brought back to life thing, according to George R.R. he's not actually alive! The dead are Ice Wights brought back by the Night King, George says Jon is a Fire Wight brought back by the Lord of Light. I'm sure in the books this will be incredibly significant and have more meaning to it, not even mentioned in the shows, no meaning what so ever to him being brought back from life. Clearly I'm fired up, end rant.
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I agree. Since they overtook the book the writing has been noticeably worse than it had previously. So much potential, especially seeing as how the writers literally took 2 years to write season 8 - that's one of the reasons I thought this season would be by far the best. The strange thing is that episode three is my favourite GOT episode, but also the one I'm most disappointing with. It would be cool if Bran was to turn into the Night King like all the theories say - and he resurrects the dead after the next battle. Not going to happen now though. As well as that, the battle that everyone (the cast etc) talked about before the release was the battle if Winterfell - so the Battle of Kings Landing may not be quite as good.
The writers did have to make some changes to the story though since G.R.R.M didn't even know what he was going to do with Lady Stoneheart in the books at the time they got to that part. So they replaced her. With all that being said - I'm still enjoying the show and look forward to the next two episodes. I really hope they turn out good!!
Despite the fact that I wrote a paragraph complaining about it, it is really good. I'd recommend it!
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Season 1-5 is some of the best television that's been on air in a while. Main characters could die at any moment and the story lines were deep and complex. Season 6-8 was dumbed down significantly. But by that point everyone is so invested in the show they can't not watch it now to see how it all ends.
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Well that's the point of some peoples frustration with season 8. The show built the plot up for 9 years that the point would be whether the living or dead would win. They built up a massive threat of infinite hoards of un-dead and wove in a deep story line about who the un-dead leader is, what he wants, how he is tied into and connected to some of the main characters. So much focus is put on learning the history of the White Walkers, only for all of the build up to be squashed in one episode. Years of story line build up was apparently pointless, there's still two episodes left so maybe there will be a twist to change my mind but I doubt it. So yeah, I guess the show is about who's going to rule Westeros now.
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This will be a bit of a spoiler so don't read if you want to watch - which I recommend.
Yep. Most people in the show go for the throne (not all). But then it was built up as the false goal - the one every was after meanwhile the real threat was coming from elsewhere. They were all supposed to be weakening themselves while the real threat and the real plot line was being built up (literally the very first scene was about the plot that was built up as the real threat.) It was quite anti-climactic and now it turns out that the "real threat" was just a little diversion from the main plot - which as it turns out is in fact the throne and who sits on it
Edit** it would still be cool if what happened in episode three was supposed to be anti-climactic and the Night King comes back - maybe as Bran. I don't find that likely at this point though
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There was another series’s of books before GOT called the Wheel of time. Very good reading and different from what was being written till than. Problem the series went on for about 10yrs and the author died before the end. Lost track of it somewhere after the ninth book.
I’ve never read these books but I can see how Martin will have an even harder time writing now with other ideas out there than his own.
Next HBO was bought by I think ATT. From what I’ve heard they now want to move into the Netflix arena. No more long drawn out shows. Just quick shows all at once. They are the reason GOT is finishing this year. There are a few spin-off from GOT in the future.
I’ve never read these books but I can see how Martin will have an even harder time writing now with other ideas out there than his own.
Next HBO was bought by I think ATT. From what I’ve heard they now want to move into the Netflix arena. No more long drawn out shows. Just quick shows all at once. They are the reason GOT is finishing this year. There are a few spin-off from GOT in the future.
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The book series is called "A Song of Ice and Fire" - about dead versus alive, dark versus light, a struggle against the army of the dead. The show's called "A Game of Thrones". That's okay but I think the issue is that they played up all the book's deep storylines, prophecies, lore, and then seemed to turn around and dump them this season like they never existed or were insignificant, focusing half of the last season on the Iron Throne, which seems completely inconsequential to me given the bigger storylines. Totally anticlimactic.
The Lord of Light, Jon's resurrection, Azor Ahai, direwolves, dragons, the reasons behind the Army of the Dead and the Night King... Huge plot points earlier in the show then diminished or just ignored.
The Lord of Light, Jon's resurrection, Azor Ahai, direwolves, dragons, the reasons behind the Army of the Dead and the Night King... Huge plot points earlier in the show then diminished or just ignored.
I believe he told them where he thought things would end up but he's not controlling the writing or ultimate story direction. He gave input in later seasons but was less involved. He's been pretty tight-lipped giving opinions but stressed the show and books are very different and expressed frustration/disappointment with some of HBO's choices.
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100% agree, that's my main source of frustration. They're just pretending the last 7 seasons of plot lines never existed. It was all for absolutely nothing. In my opinion this is one of or the biggest writing debacle in T.V. history. The potential to be legitimately one of the greatest series ever to air has been completely blown. I have to read the books now so I can see how George R.R. Martin finishes the books......if he can finish them before he dies that is.
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Ha! I've read them twice (a while ago) but don't want to do it again until another book comes out. It's just too much of a cliffhanger and waiting at the end. Same thing with The Kingkiller Chronicles by Rothfuss - great while I read them, super frustrating when I finish but there's no conclusion yet.
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Waiting for book series you invested in is the worst. Especially with George R.R. since his books are so sporadically released. I mean the first book "game of thrones" one was released in 1996 for hecks sake! When people ask him when he's going to finish his books he usually just says "whenever I get around to it"....I mean the next book was rumored to come out in 2014 and it's still not out! it'll be 5 years or more before the last book is ever finished. It's almost as bad as Steven Kings Dark Tower series with the first book coming out in 1982 and the last book came out in 2004. What a long wait!
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I've got a 4K TV. Granted it's one of the first generations (was a splitting up with my ex present for myself). What I've also found is that you generally will notice a big difference when switching channels let alone anything that's poor in quality, this GOT was definitely poor in quality from a cinematic experience. I spent hours fine tuning my settings a long time ago before my kids ruined it and I've whilst trying I never got it back to where it was.
A lot of people will say your pre-set picture settings are optimal quality, I disagree but there always a good go-back. When I began watching this GOT episode I genuinely thought my TV was on the blink. Even reset my settings and had a play and I'll go out on a limb by saying two things here:
1) The picture quality for the cinematic experience whichever was dreadful. (I watched it on a 4K Samsung via Sky Atlantic HD)
2) It is the most overrated episode of TV ever and not even the best episode of GOT. Point 1) just added to the let down of it but the best of all was the drastically flawed ending.
It's been an unbelievable TV series but the pedestal that people put the previous episode on was way beyond what it was actually worth.
Fair play to Arya Stark by the way who can do a 500m long jump. For the Night King to be ended in such a speculative fashion was ludicrous in my opinion and will always stain the entire series.
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Agreed, and their whole reason for Arya to going into "I'm going to kill the night king mode" is hinged on some incredibly vague comment mellisandre says to Arya back in season 3 that's re-said in a different way in The Long Night?? Not the years of building up the prince that was promised prophecy and the reincarnation of Azor AhaI and "only someone of a magical bloodline can end the long night??! "Nah none of that matters....remember that brief insanely obscure 2 second comment from season 3 though? That's what matters" Hey Daenarys's eyes are blueish I bet Arya's going to kill her, wait aren't Jons eyes Brown, and Cerceis are green! That must mean Arya is going to kill everyone!....D&D really blew it.
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I've been a fan since December 2006, before it was ever a TV series. I remember because I bought the first couple of books in A Song of Ice and Fire series at an airport while waiting for my flight to my first duty station. When I first heard about it being produced by HBO I was excited but dubious. Dubious because I knew at the time that it would be a huge undertaking. And after 8-9 years I was right.
But if I'm really honest, I personally think it jumped the shark a lot earlier, back in season 3, when The Hound brought Arya to the Eyrie, which never happened in the books. Maybe some of the book readers felt the same way as I did, watching that scene. It was a strange direction that D&D decided on and made no sense that the guards would just let them leave, especially considering both Littlefinger and Sansa were in the Eyrie as well. All I can think of why they did that was to get fans hopes up and then to tear it down, but at the expense of good storytelling. But I continued on, because despite that error, I still enjoyed the show.
Then there were other things I didn't like that kept happening. For instance, how Dorne and the Children of the Forest were depicted (i.e, is terribly). Or how about Season 7, and how it ruined a great character that is Littlefinger. Then there is of course season 8's killing of the Night King by Arya's hands, because D&D wanted to subvert expectations. I'm not saying he should have been the final villain, just that it could have been handled a lot better. Simply look at a map of Westeros and find the Wall and Winterfell's location. The Night King came, he saw, and then he died. Didn't even make it past first base.
To defend D&D a little bit, I think they were originally planning on having the White Walkers invade most of Westeros. They even set it up last season when Jaime left CerceI in the finale and it was snowing at King's Landing. And now? It looks like winter never came. I believe it was a budgeting problem as well as a shorter episode season.
And, finally, if anyone knows the history of The Golden Company, they'd know why them taking arms against a Targaryen makes little sense, even if they're sellswords.
Oh, besides the Starbucks cup blunder, did anyone catch the other blunder. I'm referring to when Gendry called himself Gendry Rivers? It should have been Waters, not Rivers. Makes me think the showrunners are burned out and just don't care anymore.
So after all this, am I angry? No, I take it for what it is. In fact, I still enjoy it, which is why I still tune in every Sunday and read people's opinions on here and elsewhere. I just want people to know why a lot of fans are upset, and why people should read the books, if they haven't already. The quality is miles ahead of the show.
But if I'm really honest, I personally think it jumped the shark a lot earlier, back in season 3, when The Hound brought Arya to the Eyrie, which never happened in the books. Maybe some of the book readers felt the same way as I did, watching that scene. It was a strange direction that D&D decided on and made no sense that the guards would just let them leave, especially considering both Littlefinger and Sansa were in the Eyrie as well. All I can think of why they did that was to get fans hopes up and then to tear it down, but at the expense of good storytelling. But I continued on, because despite that error, I still enjoyed the show.
Then there were other things I didn't like that kept happening. For instance, how Dorne and the Children of the Forest were depicted (i.e, is terribly). Or how about Season 7, and how it ruined a great character that is Littlefinger. Then there is of course season 8's killing of the Night King by Arya's hands, because D&D wanted to subvert expectations. I'm not saying he should have been the final villain, just that it could have been handled a lot better. Simply look at a map of Westeros and find the Wall and Winterfell's location. The Night King came, he saw, and then he died. Didn't even make it past first base.
To defend D&D a little bit, I think they were originally planning on having the White Walkers invade most of Westeros. They even set it up last season when Jaime left CerceI in the finale and it was snowing at King's Landing. And now? It looks like winter never came. I believe it was a budgeting problem as well as a shorter episode season.
And, finally, if anyone knows the history of The Golden Company, they'd know why them taking arms against a Targaryen makes little sense, even if they're sellswords.
Oh, besides the Starbucks cup blunder, did anyone catch the other blunder. I'm referring to when Gendry called himself Gendry Rivers? It should have been Waters, not Rivers. Makes me think the showrunners are burned out and just don't care anymore.
So after all this, am I angry? No, I take it for what it is. In fact, I still enjoy it, which is why I still tune in every Sunday and read people's opinions on here and elsewhere. I just want people to know why a lot of fans are upset, and why people should read the books, if they haven't already. The quality is miles ahead of the show.
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This, to me, is a prime example of their bad decision-making, when surprising the audience is more important than story continuity or closure. It's flash over substance.
I'm not angry either, and I will finish watching. What I am is disappointed because it's a weak finish to the series and it could have been so much better.
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Books are allways better. About winter. Last season winter was going to be 1000 years long. This season the red headed wilding says to Jon...I’ll be heading west right after the winter. Like winters almost over?? Never read the books. So was the Night king winter? Or are there seasons?
Unfortunately ATT just wants to get it over.
Unfortunately ATT just wants to get it over.
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I've heard something along those lines as well. Seems like one of the biggest shows in history could afford all the CGI they want.
The best thing about Season 8 taking another turn for the worse is it's inspired me to start the books to see George R.R.'s vision of how the story goes. I've barely been able to put down the first one, so much more detail!
I'll still enjoy the rest of the show despite my plot line qualms.
The best thing about Season 8 taking another turn for the worse is it's inspired me to start the books to see George R.R.'s vision of how the story goes. I've barely been able to put down the first one, so much more detail!
I'll still enjoy the rest of the show despite my plot line qualms.
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