Filter for 125 gallon Tank - Page 2

beau

I have two SunSun 404b's on my 125, and am happy with the filtration level. There is flow all through the tank but none of the fish are being blown around. They take tons of media as well, so should be able to handle a pretty heavy bioload.
 

JGombs99

Ok, thank you! Would they also work on a 150? I'm only asking because if I find a good Craigslist deal, I don't want to be limited by the filter I've already purchased. Also, would these be ok to use along with the 55/75 on my 55 for awhile, or will this be too much if it's for more than a very short time? Although I will be upgrading the 55 eventually, I honestly have no timeframe. I'll be setting the 29 up within the next week or two, though, so I'll need to take my Quiet Flow 30 from my 55, and get something new sooner.
 

max h

The sunsun should fine as far as water flow, they come with a spray bar. The 404 would be fine on a 150, they have a 525 gph output.
 

tyguy7760

I would do a minimum of two 404s if that's what you ate going with. I personally plan on doing 2 canisters and an hob or 3 canisters when I do my 125. But I always try and get stuff off Craigslist. If you are going with a cichlid heavy stock then I would maximize the filtration. Definitely not just one filter unless you ate going to be dropping 300 to 400 on a single filter
 

JGombs99

Ok, thanks again. As I said, I don't know anything about canisters. I do know that they require less gph to adequately filter a tank, but I don't remember what they do require.

Originally, my plan was going to be to move the 30 to the 29 gallon and buy an Aquaclear 70 to go along with the 55/75 on my 55 gallon. Then, buy a canister to go along with the Aquaclear on the big tank once I do upgrade. Then, possibly move the 55/75 to the 29, or not if the 30 is working for that tank, and either sell or just chuck whichever Quiet Flow I was no longer using. But, if it's better to buy a canister now and never buy an Aquaclear, I may consider that, too.
 

tyguy7760

It's really up to you. Personally I think is best to shoot for 10x filtration regardless of canister or hob for the simple reason canister filters will decrease flow up to 40 to 50 percent once they are filled with media. Getting to 10x filtration may be difficult in a 125 or 150 so not quite getting there should be fine but I'd he get as close as possible
 

JGombs99

Thanks! Well, is it better to have one large filter that can handle the entire tank, or two smaller ones that alone cannot do the job? Or, does it not even matter?

Should I consider getting an Aquaclear now to go along with my 55/75, and then get a second Aquaclear when I get the big tank, and not do a canister at all?
 

tyguy7760

Personally I always prefer two filters on ANY tank over 30 gallons. Each one of my tanks are running two filters. I like that for the added insurance of if one of them poops out on me I still have some filtration going. So in response I would always try to have at least 2 filters on the 125

What filtration is on you 55 now?
 

JGombs99

Thanks, tyguy7760! Somehow you always seem to have sound advice no matter the topic!

The 55 has two Quiet Flow Power Filters (55/75 AND 30). But I'll be moving the 30 to the 29 gallon when I set that up in the next week or two. So, I'll need to replace it, and I want to replace it with something that could be used when I upgrade the 55, so I can make the best use of the money I spend.
 

tyguy7760

In that case my suggestion would be is to go ahead and get the ac110 (or similar filter) and put it on your 55. Your 55 will be over filtered for some time but that's absolutely fine (unless you have fish like betas or fancy guppies that have a hard time swimming in powerful currents). Once you get the 125 or 150 you can transfer it over and pick up the sunsun 304/404. That will give you ~ 900 gph which is sufficient for a 125 or 150

At a later date you can keep an eye out for a cheap smaller canister (or larger would be fine too) to bump that filtration up closer to 10x the filtration. But that one isn't vital and the two filters you have running will do the job. But with your maintenance schedule I would suggest getting as much filtration as possible.

For reference this is what I have on my tanks
75g - sunsun404 (525gph) sunsun 403 (375gph) Total - 900 gph
55g - Aqueon 55/75 (400 gph), Marineland Powerwheel 200 (200 gph) Total - 600 gph
35g Tall - Aqueon 30 (200gph), Aquaclear 50 (200 gph) Total - 400 gph
 

JGombs99

Thanks, again! So, ultimately, you'd shoot to run an Aquaclear 110 and the Sun Sun on the big tank? Or am I missing something?

You know my stock, so it sounds like having an over filtered 55 gallon would be fine until I do upgrade...
 

tyguy7760

That's what I would ultimately shoot for yes. I would also keep in the back of your head to add further filtration at a later date knowing your maintenance schedule.

When you pull the aquaclear 110 (or if you want to save money you could try another aqueon 55/75 same gph I believe) off of your 55 that will just leave you with a single aqueon 55/75 correct? I'd consider adding another filter on it especially with a blood parrot. Something that has about 200 gph would be good.

You could also consider the new seachem hob filters. A few members on here have ordered them and they really like them. One benefit over the aquaclears is these will self prime
 

JGombs99

Ideally, I'll never be without two filters, so I'm not sure what you're referring to with the bit about being down to just one 55/75. I'm currently running a 55/75 and a 30 on my 55 gallon. I'll take off the 30 for the 29 gallon, but at the same time I'll purchase the Aquaclear, if that's what I go with, and I'll still have two filters on the 55 gallon. Anyway, the 55/75 Is 400 gph and the Aquaclear 110 is 500 gph. I guess my questions at this point would be, should I consider using either the 55/75 AND the 110 on the big tank, or even two 110s? Or, will one 110 and a Canister really be the only way to get the filtration I'll need?
 

tyguy7760

Sorry. I thought you were intending on moving the 110 off of the 55 once you get the 125 and keeping the aqueon on the 55? Are you going to tear down the 55 once you get the 125 or keep it up? That's probably where the disconnect was. I thought you were keeping them both going. I was saying the aqueon alone probably isn't sufficient filtration for the 55 with a BP.

If you have an aqueon 55/75 and ac 110 on the 125 that would probably get you by for some time until you start adding those other cichlids in. That's right at 900 gph (sorry I thought the 110 was also 400 gph). But once you start upping the stock I'd consider getting a canister at that point but keeping the 2 HOB's on the tank. Maybe a sunsun 403 or 303 would be sufficient. Or getting another hob and having 3. Completely up to you but if it were me i'd have at least 1 canister going just for the added biomedia
 

JGombs99

Thanks, tyguy7760! Yes, the disconnect was in the number of tanks I'll have running. I thought you knew I was planning to replace the 55 with the 125-150. Sorry!

I'm upgrading for two reasons. Because I want to get a few more cichlids and increase my school of Rainbows (Cories are moving into the 29). Also because I have more room in the space where I have my tank than I originally thought I had.

So, you're recommending three filters, overall on the big tank, even with one being a canister?
 

tyguy7760

I'm recommending using what you have. That's why i'm saying put 3 filters on. There is no use letting the aqueon (400 gph) go to waste and then going out and buying a 500 gph canister for 80-100 bucks. Use the aquaclear and the aqueon on the big tank then go out and buy a smaller canister and add to the filtration

Option 1:
Buy aquaclear 110 ($80)
Don't use aqueon
Buy Sunsun 404/304 (80-100$

Total spent $160-$180 Total GPH: 1025

Option 2:
Buy aquaclear 110 ($80)
Use Aqueon 55/75 from the 55 gallon
Buy Sunsun 403/303 (60-80$)

Total Spent $140-160 Total GPH 1275
 

JGombs99

Ok, that makes sense, thanks! A couple additional questions on this topic. Will the 55/75 AND 110 on the 55 be fine for an undetermined amount of time, or will this only be a good idea for a short, determined amount of time? Since the big tank will have three filters on it, should I eventually move the 55/75 to the 29 and put the 30 back on the big tank, or is the 30 going to be a good choice for the 29 gallon for it's life?
 

tyguy7760

Either way you want to go is fine I think. But if you are going to put the 55/75 on the 29 gallon then I'd make sure and go with the top lines on the sunsuns. Then maybe throw the aqueon 30 on the 125 in addition to the 110 and sunsun 304/404

I think having both the 55/75 and the 110 on the 55 gallon is fine no matter the time frame.

Like I said, I'm a fan of using the filters you have instead of going out and spending money. This hobby is expensive already, may as well use the supplies you've got.
 

JGombs99

True! Ok, thanks. I just want to make sure I do it right the first time. I'm fine doing the Aqueon filters whichever way seems to make sense. I just figured I'd throw the question out there since we're talking about it. One last question I meant to ask you is, what about a wet/dry filter for the big tank? Might this be a good idea, or is this just for saltwater? I might be able to get my hands on an entire setup that includes one, so I wanted to ask.

Lastly, since I know you're knowledgeable about tanks, and you're a handy guy, too, can I get your opinion on how to go about deciding if my floor can even hold this size tank? I have a thread about this question in the Aquarium Builds section, or you can just lend your thoughts here.
 

tyguy7760

If you twisted my arm and made me pick one I'd say it probably makes more sense to put the 55/75 on the 29 gallon as the aqueon 30 only has 200 gph which is slightly underfiltered (still reasonable though) and then use the aqueon 30 in conjunction with an aquaclear 110 (or whatever other filter you decide on that has similar gph) plus the sunsun 404/304 (again or other similar gph filter) on the 125. That still gives you 1275 gph which is good.

Edit:

Just to give you another option. You could go ahead and get the sunsun 404/304 with the 525 gph and put that on your 55 gallon instead of the ac 110. Then when you are ready, instead of putting the aqueon 30 on the 29g, put the aqueon 55/75 on there. Now your 55 gallon will have the aqueon 30 plus the canister. THEN when you get the 125, buy another sunsun 404/304. That gives you 1050 gph on the 125 and only two canisters which will give it a cleaner look without an HOB on the back. Or go ahead and throw the aqueon 30 on the 125 for an extra 200 gph.
 

JGombs99

Ok, Thanks! I was kind of thinking that, too. But, you have far more knowledge than I, so I wanted your thoughts. Is there any circumstance where it would make more sense to purchase a canister now to go on my 55 instead, and use only a canister and an Aqueon on the big tank, never buying an Aquaclear, or is the original way we were discussing the way to go for sure?

What about the wet/dry?
 

tyguy7760

Look at my edited response I think that covers another option

Honestly I have no experience with wet/dry filtration systems. I know you can use them on freshwater tanks but they are a bit more difficult to get set up and going. Overall though they probably will provide a similar amount of biofiltration as a canister or two. So in the end it's your preference.
 

JGombs99

Thanks! I didn't see your edit before posting my last message.

Is it safe to say that if I can get a setup with tank, stand and wet/dry that I will have enough filtration in the wet/dry for that tank, or do you not know enough to say that?
 

tyguy7760

Not necessarily. You still need turnover for the tank. So it all depends on the output of the wet dry. HOW MUCH turnover for a wet dry is something I don't know.
 

JGombs99

Gotcha, ok. I'll ask the seller if he knows more about that. Although, he seems to be of the opinion that wet/dry is only for saltwater.

Any thoughts on the question about figuring out how much my floor can hold?
 

tyguy7760

Ahh I'm not as good on that subject. Though I can tell you that you definitely want it to run perpendicular to the floor joists. Also, the closer to an exterior wall or load bearing wall you can get it is better.

beau I know you just set one up. Did you do any research on the floor and supports?
 

JGombs99

Thanks again! I've heard those things before. I can say for sure that my joists are perpendicular to the tank, and that the wall it's against is absolutely not exterior. I have no idea at all if it's load bearing or not. I'm not sure how to determine that.

Hello, all. I've found a couple of items for sale on Craigslist, and I wanted to get some opinions on how much of this, if any, I should jump on.

First deal: 125 gallon tank, wooden stand, and canopy for $400. Seller will throw in, for no additional cost, wet/dry and overflow (eschopps 200), OR two Marineland HOBs (biowheel 350), NOT both. This is located an hour and a half away, so this would have to be considered a really great deal for it to be worth it.

Second deal: filter(s) only. Canisters. Eheim Classic Canister 2215 and Eheim Classic Canister 2217. Both of these are $50, and neither comes with any media.
 

tyguy7760

Fairly decent deal on the tank. The eschopps 200 wet dry seems to be the better deal but you will still need a return pump and one that is probably rated at around 800 gph would be my guess. The marinelands are also good deals and lots of people use them but personally they are my least favorite type of HOB filter.

Those 2 eheim canisters are the bottom of the line canisters. Great for smaller tanks but wouldn't be very effective or useful on a 125. You can upgrade the 2215 flow by replacing the impeller with a 2217 impeller which will upgrade it some but there are much better gph canisters out there. If you were trying to filter a 75 or less I'd say that's a good deal. For 50 bucks you can buy another aqueon 55/75 and have money left over and probably still have more flow than those two canisters.
 

JGombs99

Thanks, tyguy7760! So, it sounds like you think maybe I should consider the tank, stand, and canopy, and maybe the wet/dry, but forget about the HOBs and canisters that I found?
 

tyguy7760

400 for a 125 with stand and canopy (assuming it looks nice) plus a wet/dry is a fairly decent deal in my area. Maybe not in other areas.

If the wet dry comes with a sufficient pump then that's an even better deal. If not it's still fairly good. It just depends on if you want to deal with the set up of the wet dry as I think that is the most difficult part. You may find more expenses getting it set up and running than the HOB's. The biowheel filters are personally my least favorite as they don't provide as much room for biomedia...BUT that's just a personal opinion as many people use them successfully. I even have one running on my 55 because I had it (you know me...I'm a fan of using what you have instead of spending money on it). So they aren't BAD filters by any means. I just prefer others.

But I would skip the canisters if your long term intent is putting them on the 125. They just don't have enough gph to be efficient on that size. They are a good deal for 50 bucks but for a much smaller tank.
 

JGombs99

Ok, thanks again! I'll focus my energy into figuring out what kind of pump the wet/dry has. I think I'll scrap the other filters as my intent in any of these is the 125.

I never intended to get a bigger tank this soon, but I don't want to pass up a deal if it's really good. So, I'm conflicted on the tank and/Or wet/dry.

Ok, the wet/dry comes with no return pump. The tank also isn't drilled. I'm not exactly sure what this means, or if I should wait for something else to come along.

Ok, I'm back. After looking over a few models of filters, I have a question.

It seems that two things I thought were true are being challenged. I had always thought that canisters provide superior filtration over HOBs. I've also thought that GPH was really the only true barometer for filtration. But, it's starting to seem like these can't both be true. I say this because I've come across some canisters with a lower GPH rating than HOBs have. For instance, the Aquaclear 110 is rated for 500 GPH, while an API XP- XL canister is more slightly more expensive, and rated at 450 GPH. There are other examples, too, but this was just an easy one to point out.

This being said, I was wondering if two Aquaclears would actually be better than using one along with the API canister mentioned above, or is there something I'm missing that's still superior with the canister? Of course, the Sun Sun was recommended, and this filter provides a bit more GPH than the Aquaclear, so this question doesn't factor in if I go that route, but I figured this would give me good knowledge, just to know.
 

tyguy7760

In the end it really doesn't matter as far as hob vs canister. It's really personal preference. GPH is a large factor when deciding the amount of filtration is adequate for a tank but not the only factor. If I had a filter that gave me 1000 gph but only had the room for a small amount of filter material this would not be a good filter at all. While at the same time if I had a huge canister underneath my tank that let me put pounds and pounds of filter material but had a very low gph, it probably wouldn't be passing enough water over the bacteria to properly filter the tank. So really it's a combination of the amount of media that can be in the filter plus a good gph.

There are some in the hobby that feel you should put several low gph filters (like eheims) because these filters pass the water slowly over the media as opposed to the higher gph filters like sunsuns and fluvals. Really I'm not sure it matters that much. The price difference you see can largely be explained by brand name as opposed to filter quality. Some of it can also be explained by filter quality. Sunsuns are admittedly a lower quality filter than a fluval. But I can buy 4 or 5 sunsun 500 gph filters for the price of one fluval gph filter. So even if my sunsuns only last 2 or 3 years, times that by 4 or 5 and that's longer than a fluval would likely last. But fluvals are popularly regarded as the top of the line as far as quality and filtration. So if you were going to lay a bunch of money down on filtration, I'd go with those.

I think you are likely thinking about this too much.
 

JGombs99

Thanks, tyguy7760! Of course I'm over thinking this; that's what I do! So, although neither option is likely the best, and I may not go with either option in the end, would you go with two Aquaclears totaling 1000 GPH or one Aquaclear and one API canister totaling 950 GPH?
 

tyguy7760

If I had to choose between those two options I'd go with 1 aquaclear and 1 canister. But personally I would like to see that gph closer to 1100 but that's just my OCDness coming out.
 

JGombs99

I understand, and I appreciate your feedback. Like I said, I had thought I read that canisters were superior, but I also knew GPH was important, so I wasn't sure which theory had more bend to it.
 

tyguy7760

Not a problem. Both HOB's and Canisters have their pros and cons. I also think that if you had asked someone that had been in the hobby for decades they would probably go with HOB's because that was pretty much what has always been used until more recently and folks in the 60's and 70's were successful at keeping fish and keeping large fish with just HOB's. But canisters usually provide a greater amount of filtration options so really either is fine as long as you have a high turnover in your tank (especially since you are going to have some large cichlids and waste producers in there)
 

JGombs99

Got it, thanks again! I just want to be sure that if I make this upgrade, that I'm doing it right. I want to get equipment that will be what the tank requires, etc.
 

JGombs99

Rather than creating a new thread, I decided to post a new question within this thread.

As some of you know, I plan to eventually upgrade from my 55 gallon tank. I've come across a deal on Craigslist for a Fluval Fx4 canister filter. Two questions regarding this are, it's less than a year old, and was used for a month. I could get it for $140. Is this a good deal? And, this filter is rated for something like 200 gallons, but I know manufacturers recommendations are never correct, so...if I combine this filter with my Aquaclear 110, what size tank can I properly filtrate?
 

tyguy7760

I'd say an fx4 and an aquaclear would be enough for a 125-150 that isn't overstocked. Though, in my opinion you could probably get two sunsun 304/404's for about that same price and it would give you more filtration. Then again, fx4 has the brand reputation. So it just depends on what you want. But for 140 if you are locked into a fluval then yes that's a good price
 

JGombs99

Thanks, tyguy7760. I'm not necessarily locked into any brand in particular. I've just been keeping an eye out for deals, and thought this seemed like one I should give some thought to. It seemed like a good deal, but I still know little to nothing about canister filters, so I wanted some advice before making any decisions.

Overall, I want to end up with something between 90-125 gallons. I want to use my Aquaclear 110 to supplement a canister, but need to figure out what.
 

tyguy7760

well fluval is just about the best canister you are going to find. Their flow decreases the least amount when filled with media. I know quite a few folks that filter their entire 150 gallon tanks on an fx6 so an fx4 plus an ac110 should be plenty for 90-125
 

JGombs99

Great, thanks! Sounds like it'll be adequate but not overkill.
 

Geoff

Just to comment on Fluval canisters in general, I have a Fluval 406 and I absolutely love it.
 

JGombs99

Thanks! So do you agree that this would be a great filter to add to my eventual upgrade?
 

Geoff

I wouldn't hesitate to buy any kind of Fluval filter.
 

grantm91

Fluval is the only brand I buy 2nd hand filter wise, worth buying new though too IMO. Dont buy a 2nd hand 1 unless its atleast 35% cheaper than retail that's my personal guideline anyway.
 

JGombs99

Well, as I first mentioned, I can get it 50% of new retail cost. It's less than a year old and was only used for a month according to the seller. In addition to making sure it's a good price, I want to be sure it will work well with my eventual upgrade.
 

grantm91

Yes it would be enough on its own, people may disagree with me there but that's my opinion. Id add a power head to the tank for some extra movement but id be confident in the fx4 or instead of a power head add a internal filter I did that before too, ran the internal with just sponge and floss as a water polisher it was a nice set up I had that,, my first 200 litre.
 

JGombs99

Thanks for the info!
Just for clarification, will the Fx4 and Aquaclear 110 be too much filtration/flow?
 

grantm91

Thanks for the info!
Just for clarification, will the Fx4 and Aquaclear 110 be too much filtration/flow?

No that would be fine, personally I don't use hob filters on my fresh water tanks but that's just me again lol and also like I said id get a power head or internal filter with a strong flow, if it was me that is.
 

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