5 Weeks into fishless cycle and thought it was done when...

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Yesterday did water test: 0.0 ammonia/0.0 nitrite/ between 5.0 & 10.0 nitrate... I added a full dose of ammonia (2.0ppm) and waited 24hrs to test: results were 0.0 ammonia/2.0 nitrite/5.0 & 10.0 nitrate... What's the 24hr nitrite spike all about ? and how should I proceed? Thanks in advance for any responses.
 

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*Summons mattgirl* --> I'm not sure on what caused the nitrite spike, and I don't want to tell you something false, but mattgirl is very experienced and will know how to help you.
 

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Yesterday did water test: 0.0 ammonia/0.0 nitrite/ between 5.0 & 10.0 nitrate... I added a full dose of ammonia (2.0ppm) and waited 24hrs to test: results were 0.0 ammonia/2.0 nitrite/5.0 & 10.0 nitrate... What's the 24hr nitrite spike all about ? and how should I proceed? Thanks in advance for any responses.
Has this tank been processing 2ppm ammonia through to nitrates or was this more than you normally add?
 
*Summons mattgirl* --> I'm not sure on what caused the nitrite spike, and I don't want to tell you something false, but mattgirl is very experienced and will know how to help you.
Yup they are the cycling master
 
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Has this tank been processing 2ppm ammonia through to nitrates or was this more than you normally add?
Hi mattgirl... i've been doing quarter dose ammonia(.25ppm) every other day for last month... and when the nitrites dropped to zero I added a full dose(2.0ppm) to see if cycle was complete.
 
Hi mattgirl... i've been doing quarter dose ammonia(.25ppm) every other day for last month... and when the nitrites dropped to zero I added a full dose(2.0ppm) to see if cycle was complete.
By just adding a very low dose of ammonia you only grew enough bacteria to process that much through to nitrates. That is the reason for the nitrite spike now. You had only grown enough nitrite eating bacteria to clear out a low amount of nitrites. The 2ppm produced more nitrites than it was used to. Just give it time and the nitrite eating bacteria will catch up.

What size tank are you cycling? What are your stocking plans?
 

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mattgirl hi, sounds good ... thanks for advice. I've got a 30 gal. 36x12x16 with rocks and caves... plan on 8 electric yellow labs 2male/6 female.
 
mattgirl hi, sounds good ... thanks for advice. I've got a 30 gal. 36x12x16 with rocks and caves... plan on 8 electric yellow labs 2male/6 female.

I’m not sure having two males in a small tank is a good idea.

I would only do 1 male, 5 females. My labidochromis caeruleus (yellow lab) killed one male and the other one I suspect that might be a male has to live its life hiding in the top corner or else be harassed and killed. My tank is 75 gallons.
 
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Dechi interesting... while doing research for stocking ideas I was getting lots of contradictary info...( lots to process. ) I'm cool with 1 male. Iwas just thinking that the females would get a break if there were two males in the tank to keep each other occupied. Would only 5 females to 1 male be okay? I mean would they become exhausted dealing with the males constant advances? Maybe 7 females would disperse the aggression? thanks for your reply.
Dechi PS: forgot to mention that i have a hob filter and canister filter set up.
 
mattgirl hi, sounds good ... thanks for advice. I've got a 30 gal. 36x12x16 with rocks and caves... plan on 8 electric yellow labs 2male/6 female.
Building up enough bacteria to process 2ppm ammonia should be able to handle the bio-load of your planned stocking. I would go ahead and add 2ppm each time it drops back down to zero but not any more often than every 24 hours. The nitrites should catch up with this higher amount of ammonia fairly fast but don't be concerned if it takes several days.

You could just add ammonia every other day instead of every day but I look at it this way. When the fish are in there they are constantly adding ammonia. They don't skip a day :D It is good that you increased the amount of ammonia you were adding. It is better to have this nitrite spike now instead of after you add your fish.
 
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Building up enough bacteria to process 2ppm ammonia should be able to handle the bio-load of your planned stocking. I would go ahead and add 2ppm each time it drops back down to zero but not any more often than every 24 hours. The nitrites should catch up with this higher amount of ammonia fairly fast but don't be concerned if it takes several days.

You could just add ammonia every other day instead of every day but I look at it this way. When the fish are in there they are constantly adding ammonia. They don't skip a day :D It is good that you increased the amount of ammonia you were adding. It is better to have this nitrite spike now instead of after you add your fish.
mattgirl Thanks so much for your insight...I feel like I'm on the right path going forward.
 

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Dechi interesting... while doing research for stocking ideas I was getting lots of contradictary info...( lots to process. ) I'm cool with 1 male. Iwas just thinking that the females would get a break if there were two males in the tank to keep each other occupied. Would only 5 females to 1 male be okay? I mean would they become exhausted dealing with the males constant advances? Maybe 7 females would disperse the aggression? thanks for your reply.
Dechi PS: forgot to mention that i have a hob filter and canister filter set up.

The male might leave the females alone except for breeding so you might have a relatively peaceful tank.

I think you can have 6-7 females if you prefer. It will be a good set up with 8 fish and 1m:7f.

Lots of rocks and caves within the rocks is a must, so females can easily escape and hide when needed.
 
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The male might leave the females alone except for breeding so you might have a relatively peaceful tank.

I think you can have 6-7 females if you prefer. It will be a good set up with 8 fish and 1m:7f.

Lots of rocks and caves within the rocks is a must, so females can easily escape and hide when needed.
Dechi Thanks again for your help... I'm now thinking 1male/6female= lucky 7.
 
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mattgirl and Dechi Thought I'd post an update: The nitrite spike went to zero 24 hours after my original post... I added 2.0 ammonia and checked 24hrs later: Cycle complete! 0.0 ammonia/ 0.0 nitrite/ 5.0to10.0 nitrate. I plan to do some light cleaning of the tank and a moderate water change... then off to get 2 0r 3 female Electric yellow labs. Thanks again for everything.
 
mattgirl and Dechi Thought I'd post an update: The nitrite spike went to zero 24 hours after my original post... I added 2.0 ammonia and checked 24hrs later: Cycle complete! 0.0 ammonia/ 0.0 nitrite/ 5.0to10.0 nitrate. I plan to do some light cleaning of the tank and a moderate water change... then off to get 2 0r 3 female Electric yellow labs. Thanks again for everything.
This is great news :)

I would hold off on cleaning anything unless absolutely necessary. You cycle is still fairly delicate so we don;t want to disturb it any more than needed. I would change out half the water so your fish will be starting out with lots of fresh water. Keep in mind, the bacteria isn't free floating in the water so changing it out isn't removing any. Just be sure you temp match and add your water conditioner to the fresh water before pouring it in there.

Since this tank is processing 2ppm ammonia you should be able to go ahead and add your planned stocking all at the same time. If you are concerned about the bio-load then go ahead and add 3ppm ammonia to the tank to help grow more bacteria. It will mean waiting a few more days but you will be assured of having enough bacteria to handle the bio-load of all the fish you plan on having in this tank so can add all of them at the same time.
 
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This is great news :)

I would hold off on cleaning anything unless absolutely necessary. You cycle is still fairly delicate so we don;t want to disturb it any more than needed. I would change out half the water so your fish will be starting out with lots of fresh water. Keep in mind, the bacteria isn't free floating in the water so changing it out isn't removing any. Just be sure you temp match and add your water conditioner to the fresh water before pouring it in there.

Since this tank is processing 2ppm ammonia you should be able to go ahead and add your planned stocking all at the same time. If you are concerned about the bio-load then go ahead and add 3ppm ammonia to the tank to help grow more bacteria. It will mean waiting a few more days but you will be assured of having enough bacteria to handle the bio-load of all the fish you plan on having in this tank so can add all of them at the same time.
mattgirl Thanks again for advice. I'll do the 50% water change and hold off on cleaning.
 
Great news ! Post some pics of the fish when you can !
 
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