Which filter(s) for a 20g high that will house young CPDs?

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Hi all,
My students and I are going to breed some CPDs. We want to order them ASAP so they get growing (unless someone has any adults they want to sell!). They will be in a 20g High, at least in the beginning, so I'm wondering which filter or filters y'all would recommend. We only have experience with a 10g and I'm guessing that the tall height of this 20g will require something different??? We are hoping for a HOB and/or sponge filter as that's what we are used to, but if there's no combo of that that will work, please let me know that too!
 

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Hi all,
My students and I are going to breed some CPDs. We want to order them ASAP so they get growing (unless someone has any adults they want to sell!). They will be in a 20g High, at least in the beginning, so I'm wondering which filter or filters y'all would recommend. We only have experience with a 10g and I'm guessing that the tall height of this 20g will require something different??? We are hoping for a HOB and/or sponge filter as that's what we are used to, but if there's no combo of that that will work, please let me know that too!
I think sponge filters sound perfect! You can also use a HOB just like you want if you get a pre-filter sponge so the little guys don't get sucked into it. I have a group of 50 or so CPD's and personally use a sponge filter.
 

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So, with sponge filters, could you clarify everything you do to keep them clean? I’ve heard folks say they just squeeze them out in water from the tank but how often? Do you only submerge the sponge part (not the part we’re the air hose attaches)? I’ve mostly used hob filters so I’m not clear on the details of using a sponge filter long term.
 
To clean a sponge filter first of all you unclip the plastic parts and slide the tube of sponge off.

I don’t find it necessary to rinse the sponge very often at all . After a month or more the bucket of old water will be dark brown. Yes you can rinse it once a fortnight or once every two months. We are not cleaning the sponge as much as just removing the bigger chunks of old uneaten food. Some fish poop will find its way into a sponge filter but most poop actually settles on the substrate just under the sponge. They are great for biological filtration but not so good at mechanical. Good to house bacteria not so good at picking up poop. A simple vacuum every fortnight will be enough to remove poop from the substrate.

Some thoughts on breeding CPDs.
An extremely small fry that is difficult to see let alone provide the small amounts of food.
I would recommend a green water tank to raise the fry but you and the students will not easily see fry in green water. I am serious about using a green water tank. 778F189A-593B-4BFD-B561-281EA9C1F383.png
A rainbow fish fry at 7 o’clock in this picture.
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A tank sitting outside growing a green water culture of floating algae and well basically fresh water plankton ( microscopic bugs) . Used to add more food to indoor tanks.D998987F-9F1E-4279-9D93-4714DBDA201B.png

No smell at all with this culture of micro living food.

Option two .
In order to be able to see baby fish( fry) you could feed Infusorea. For the first 4 or 5 weeks the fry are to small to eat live baby brine and don’t easily learn to eat dry dust / dry fish food as small as talcum powder.
Infusorea is a culture of micro creatures that you grow by the millions on rotting plant material and rotting vegetables. It really really really stinks and needs to be cultured outside. Or in a shed perhaps?

Option three.
The natural way.
The tank is left uncleaned . Algae grows on a mass of dead and living plant material. The tank is full of plants and actually looks nice in a wild way. Infusorea in small amounts will grow without smell . The fry will find food . This would be the easiest way and would look the best. 7DC557BB-F1DC-4D56-A764-ED092E1A44FC.jpegA tank on the floor with as much old plant material as you can find. Fish eggs are on the plants and all it takes is no adult fish and time. This at least looks nice in a wild sort of way? Multiple tanks ( containers) are used to jump the adults away.

More food.
In addition to the above foods is vinegar eels.
Not really a complete food but an additional food source.

My experience suggests getting a few fry is easy enough Feeding them until big enough to eat baby brine or start on dry food is not easy.
A few will do it without your doing anything if there are no adults around and the tank is established / ( dirty)

In short .
#1 Green water tank.
#2 An established tank full of plants without adult fish.
#3 Stinking Infusorea.

There are tons of u tube videos on the subject.

I honestly think jumping all the adults into new tanks every fortnight is your best choice. It will require 3 tanks. In the real world a bucket is a tank . A plastic tub is also a tank but is not a aesthetically pleasing to look at.image.jpg


Start by building the colonies of bacteria ON the new filter.
 
CPD's hail from shallow, stagnant, heavily vegetated waterbodies. You don't necessarily need to fill the water to the top. You could plant the tank heavily with grass-like species: cyperus helferi, juncus repens, vallisneria, lilaeopsis. Ads some driftwood in between the grass. Add some dry leaves as well.

The plants are your most important filters by far. Adding a sponge filter or small internal filter won't hurt of course; especially during startup. Offspring will survive and feed naturally, thanks to leaf litter and driftwood. The survival rate won't match a dedicated approach, but it is doable and a very rewarding experience.

So fully in line with flyfisha's option 2 ...or 3. He switches :).
 
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Thank you all for all the input! We’ll definitely use it. Things have been busy at work so I haven’t had the energy to reply. We have started the tank and have crypt parva, water wisteria, a couple other tall skinny plants, and five Buce that we’re going to tie to driftwood. We’ll be getting the fish when we return from winter break!
 

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