Is this even ich???

[sleeplessrat]

So im just going to overall giess my betta has ich. my question is should i move her to a hospital tank or should i do the treatment with her in the tank shes already in-

 

[Fisch]

If he is alone in the tank it would not really buy anything to move him, specifically as ich is most likely already in the tank
I am not a fan of medication where it can be avoided. My suggestion would be to increase the temp to 86° (if everything tolerates the heat) and do daily water changes with gravel vac to remove the ich offspring.

 

[sleeplessrat]

ight ight i do have a snail though but i think he should be fine if the water temp increases- ill do more research on that-

but from what im understanding the ich will just pop off when its an adult so im not really able to do anything for my fish other than raising the water temperatures for her and clean the substrate?

 

[LHAquatics]

ight ight i do have a snail though but i think he should be fine if the water temp increases- ill do more research on that-

but from what im understanding the ich will just pop off when its an adult so im not really able to do anything for my fish other than raising the water temperatures for her and clean the substrate?

Ich X will help a lot. It is easy to use and even tread fungus on my fish!

 

[sleeplessrat]

im actually looking into getting that! thankyou for the recommendation :-]

so yesterday my betta mark had these specs on her head- and today when i go in to check on hed they are all gone except for a few tiny parts- is this like just substrate that got kicked up from yesterday orrr?

the last two are from yesterday and the first few are from today

 

[Chiasmodon]

Your pfp is very familiar, but anyways, I think this is ich, because they fall from the fish to the substrate to reproduce.

 

[sleeplessrat]

yea its charlie lol

ight i gotchu though ty :-]

 

[Chiasmodon]

Ok heres what I found. The ich adults will fall off the fish when the tempersture is low and begin to reproduce. I experienced having ich problems but thankfully I was able to kill all of them by raising the tank temperature.

 

[Neurogirl1515]

I have to agree. Ich begins before you can even see it. And those pictures do, indeed, look like Ich. I would start treatment if you haven't.

 

[Chiasmodon]

I have to agree. Ich begins before you can even see it. And those pictures do, indeed, look like Ich. I would start treatment if you haven't.

Yes, we have to do something before it gets worst.

 

[sleeplessrat]

the problem is i have a preset heater and i think ill be able to go out and get one this weekend-

 

[Chiasmodon]

the problem is i have a preset heater and i think ill be able to go out and get one this weekend-

I did not use any heater to raise the temperature because my tank was really really hot already during summertime, the exact time when I recklessly bought ich-infected tetras. My tank was around 33 to 35 degrees Celsius. After the ich fell off, they reappeared but did not reproduce again, which I guess that's the end of their lives, I hope.

 

[sleeplessrat]

ich is always present in the tank- atleast from what ive heard- but dont take my word for it
working on it- just wanted to make sure that im doing the right thing :-] thankyou

 

[Chiasmodon]

ich is always present in the tank- atleast from what ive heard- but dont take my word for it

Yes there are other people who also told me that they will stay. For now I dont have the old substrate meaning, they might some or most of them are removed along with the substrate. Well at least I think so.

 

[sleeplessrat]

yea i get what you mean- while doing research on ich its mostly caused by stress [what mark went through because of the accident she got in] poor water conditions, and inteoducing new fish etc.

i dont think you have anything to worry about though :-]

 

[Chiasmodon]

yea i get what you mean- while doing research on ich its mostly caused by stress [what mark went through because of the accident she got in] poor water conditions, and inteoducing new fish etc.

i dont think you have anything to worry about though :-]

Thats when the fish immune system is too weak due to stress, which results to a greater risk of having bacterial, protozoan or viral infection and other diseases.

 

[sleeplessrat]

yep im assuming the reason why her immune system is week is because i used melafix to help with her wounds-

i should've looked into more on the effects it has on bettas and not just in general- but the deed is done and theres no turning back now- just gotta fix what ive done:-/

 

[Chiasmodon]

yep im assuming the reason why her immune system is week is because i used melafix to help with her wounds-

i should've looked into more on the effects it has on bettas and not just in general- but the deed is done and theres no turning back now- just gotta fix what ive done:-/

I have not used other prducts of API except general cure. And im not famillar with melafix.. Or its side effects.. What I know about is that methylene blue is a treatment for various diseases including ich but I never bought it because many people told me It will harm or even kill my plants.

 

[sleeplessrat]

while using it- it never harmed my plants- but people do have different experiences ‍♂️ i dont think itll harm other fish but because bettas have a labyrinth organ the mela fix can/will cause that organ to be coated- i just saw people say good things about it with other fish and watched a few things on how it worked with bettas and didnt see any bad side effects- but it turns out its not that good but people have different experiences so idek

wait i just read that back and im assuming you mean methylene blue is melafix..?

 

[Chiasmodon]

while using it- it never harmed my plants- but people do have different experiences ‍♂ i dont think itll harm other fish but because bettas have a labyrinth organ the mela fix can/will cause that organ to be coated- i just saw people say good things about it with other fish and watched a few things on how it worked with bettas and didnt see any bad side effects- but it turns out its not that good but people have different experiences so idek

wait i just read that back and im assuming you mean methylene blue is melafix..?

No, im not assuming its methylene blue.. Methylene blue is different. Anyways, I'm a beginner myself and rarely use water conditioners and medicines because I dont know much about them so I rely mostly in the parameters of my aquarium water to do the job (heat, ph, salinity etc)

 

[sleeplessrat]

Ohh my bad I meant I assumed that Methylene was Melafix my bad-

but I get what you mean- im also a beginner myself and the thing with mark- shes my first fish that ive kept [minus some i kept a few years back because i cant remember what they were-] and im so nervous that im going to wake up and find her unalived on the substrate- even though the water parameters are safe etc. its just so scary knowing if you dont pick up on something just in time your whole aquarium could be screwed over and so could your fish- yk?

 

[Chiasmodon]

Ohh my bad I meant I assumed that Methylene was Melafix my bad-

but I get what you mean- im also a beginner myself and the thing with mark- shes my first fish that ive kept [minus some i kept a few years back because i cant remember what they were-] and im so nervous that im going to wake up and find her unalived on the substrate- even though the water parameters are safe etc. its just so scary knowing if you dont pick up on something just in time your whole aquarium could be screwed over and so could your fish- yk?

Ye, thats why I panicked a lot when my fish have ich for the first time.. Many of my fish died due to the summer heat and I also panicked during the time.. I have used every resources I have to decrease the temperature.. Nothing has worked for me. Probably the ich and the flukes was the least easiest to kill in my case.

 

[sleeplessrat]

yee i get what you mean im sorry for your loss :-/ but atleast you know a bit more about it now :-D bro what type of fush you got?

 

[Chiasmodon]

yee i get what you mean im sorry for your loss :-/ but atleast you know a bit more about it now :-D bro what type of fush you got?

In my most demnading tank, I have white skirt (5), three spot gouramis(7) and 1 danio. And the least demanding tanks has swamp eels.

 

[sleeplessrat]

Aww those are adorable, I’ve never heard of them before but they’re cute


also wdym by demanding? sorry if that sounds stupid-

 

[Chiasmodon]

Aww those are adorable, I’ve never heard of them before but they’re cute

also wdym by demanding? sorry if that sounds stupid-

The biggest tank is highly demanding since it has many plants and meaning I need to buy fertilizers to sustain their growth. The leadt demanding in the other hand doesnt really need any ferts.. Because it has few undemanding plants like hornworth and bacoppa. The swamp eel dont even have to eat everyday or even a week .. These guys cannot die easily.. And surprisingly there life span is not known.

 

[sleeplessrat]

ohhhh i gotchu i gotchu makes sense- ive never actually heard of swamp eels though-
my bad on the language besties

 

[Chiasmodon]

ohhhh i gotchu i gotchu makes sense- ive never actually heard of swamp eels though-
my bad on the language besties

Fyi. These fish are not true eels, they are just eel like fish. And their habitat is mostly rice fields and wet lands. My fish dont like live fish, instead it want to eat freshly cut meat of fish.

 

[sleeplessrat]

Ohhh it’s those things- whatcha name theme ‼
them**

 

[Chiasmodon]

Ohhhh it’s those things- whatcha name theme ‼
them**

I name the large one gulper and the rest are not named because.. Of thier equal sizes. I cannot indicate which one otherwise if I name the smaller fishes

 

[sleeplessrat]

may i see gulper :-[]

 

[Chiasmodon]

may i see gulper :-[]

Im out.. Maybe later I got home

 

[sleeplessrat]

ohh my bad sorry you dont have to its fine :-]

 

[Chiasmodon]

ohh my bad sorry you dont have to its fine :-]

No no no its fine. I would love to share gulper's photo

 

[sleeplessrat]

nah nah its fine you said you were out so dont worry :-]

 

[Chiasmodon]

nah nah its fine you said you were out so dont worry :-]

No what I meant was.. When I got home, ill show the picture

 

[sleeplessrat]

its fine dont worry!!

 

[Cinabar]

Could just be sand. What substrate do you have?

 

[sleeplessrat]

seachem flourite

 

[Neurogirl1515]

yea i get what you mean- while doing research on ich its mostly caused by stress [what mark went through because of the accident she got in] poor water conditions, and inteoducing new fish etc.

i dont think you have anything to worry about though :-]

Yes, absolutely. My experience with sickness IN GENERAL is that, just like with us people, there are bacteria, fungi, parasites (such as ich), single-celled organisms, etc in the water all the time (please note that there ARE organisms that I DON'T believe are always present, such as gill flukes, nematodes, anchor worms, etc). The biggest issue is trying to diagnose your fish, then decide what action to take. Just as we carry multiple types of Staph. all over our skin and mucous membranes. It's not until you are stressed/immune compromised that you actually get sick from these things.

Even though I'm a newer member, I have read this forum for EVERY little thing I saw on my fish lol. I have seen a repetition of the "older"/wiser fishkeepers saying how they really don't use medication. They tend to rely on heat and salt for treatment, with a few exceptions. I have to say that I've gotten to the point in my fishkeeping career (a little over a year now) where I've spent SO much money on medications that don't even work (Pimafix and Melafix are complete snake oil. Do a search for a journal article where a lab tested how effective they were against main bacterial/fungal types. They basically contribute nothing except for a hole in your wallet!).

Frequent water changes, excellent maintenance, and just doing your job should keep most illnesses at bay. There are also problems that you can encounter from purchasing fish that aren't kept in the best conditions (pretty frequent, even with LFS in my experience). This is why quarantining for a couple weeks before adding anyone to your main tank is so crucial. Adding aquarium salt can do wonders to keep freshwater fish healthy. I only add 1/3-1/2 of the recommended amount because I do have sensitive fish, such as loaches, rainbow sharks, snails, and plants. I don't add aquarium salt all the time, but just when I kind of see issues with a few fish. I act immediately to quell any future spread or issues.

I hope this is helpful!

 

[sleeplessrat]

ayo thankyou my guy :-D ive had the problem fixed awhile back but i still appreciate it <33

 

[Chiasmodon]

Yes, absolutely. My experience with sickness IN GENERAL is that, just like with us people, there are bacteria, fungi, parasites (such as ich), single-celled organisms, etc in the water all the time (please note that there ARE organisms that I DON'T believe are always present, such as gill flukes, nematodes, anchor worms, etc). The biggest issue is trying to diagnose your fish, then decide what action to take. Just as we carry multiple types of Staph. all over our skin and mucous membranes. It's not until you are stressed/immune compromised that you actually get sick from these things.

Even though I'm a newer member, I have read this forum for EVERY little thing I saw on my fish lol. I have seen a repetition of the "older"/wiser fishkeepers saying how they really don't use medication. They tend to rely on heat and salt for treatment, with a few exceptions. I have to say that I've gotten to the point in my fishkeeping career (a little over a year now) where I've spent SO much money on medications that don't even work (Pimafix and Melafix are complete snake oil. Do a search for a journal article where a lab tested how effective they were against main bacterial/fungal types. They basically contribute nothing except for a hole in your wallet!).

Frequent water changes, excellent maintenance, and just doing your job should keep most illnesses at bay. There are also problems that you can encounter from purchasing fish that aren't kept in the best conditions (pretty frequent, even with LFS in my experience). This is why quarantining for a couple weeks before adding anyone to your main tank is so crucial. Adding aquarium salt can do wonders to keep freshwater fish healthy. I only add 1/3-1/2 of the recommended amount because I do have sensitive fish, such as loaches, rainbow sharks, snails, and plants. I don't add aquarium salt all the time, but just when I kind of see issues with a few fish. I act immediately to quell any future spread or issues.

I hope this is helpful!

In my case.. The treatment was successful(around june 18-30). I got the ich removed from them.. Although my betta died from the infection even without the presence of the parasite.

Heres what I did to kill the ich.

1. I Covered the aquarium with lid to increase the temperature of the tank water. I Achieved 92 degrees fahrenheit.

2. I Added api general cure. I found that its not effective to kill the parasite.. But its good to prevent infection.

3. Did not add any aquarium salt.

4. Use garlic to increase the immune response of the fish


Tnx for the info btw.

now im facing camallanus worms which is harder to kill.