Help With Dying Cories

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I had 4 cories, every morning I wake up to another dead fish, wednesday was the red tail shark (which just so happened to be my favorite), yesterday and today were dead cories, I'm starting to get very irritated at how many cories I have had to replace, the tank is properly cycled, I did a water change not even a week ago, and I also make sure I sink some food to the bottom so they have something to eat.
I didn’t see any wounds on the fish, but I'm thinking a black skirt may have thrashed into him or something. none of them acted or looked sick at all, I really don't know what to do. Very irritated, need help.
 

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Sorry to hear that Obie.
Can you start off by telling us a bit about your tank, the fish and your water parameters. Your tank size, filter type and size will be useful.
What are you feeding your fish with?
...and post a pic of the tank - visuals usually tell an expert eye more than a 1000 words!
 

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Sorry to hear that Obie.
Can you start off by telling us a bit about your tank, the fish and your water parameters. Your tank size, filter type and size will be useful.
What are you feeding your fish with?
...and post a pic of the tank - visuals usually tell an expert eye more than a 1000 words!



It is a 20 gallon long tank, I feed them a variety of tropical flakes and bloodworms twice a day. I have no access to any water test kits, and the filter was a hand-me-down so idk about parameters and all that. Honestly this whole tank has been a disaster, the only fish who haven’t died are the black tetras, which i’ve had i. all my aquariums, they aren’t as fun to keep anymore. IMG_5914.JPGIMG_5914.JPG
 
OK -It is ok to use kit from other people. Just describe what you have inside your filter as media and how you clean your filter when you do a water change. Do yo any anything like seachem prime to the tap water before you add it to the tank during your water change?
 
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I add the tap water conditioner whenever any new water is added, the filter has a little pocket you pour your stuff inside, then its ready to go, I really don’t know how else to describe it.
 
Without testing the water - my guess is that the tank isn't cycled......

My guess is that you are overfeeding and the uneaten food is rotting and causing an ammonia build up which is killing the fish.

Try this (until you get a water testing kit)
  1. reduce the amount you feed to what the fish eat (consume) within two minutes.
  2. Change 25% of your water every two days and ensure that you hoover the gravel properly - you should have no bubbles coming out of the gravel
See what happens within a week. The fish should stop dying and start eating.

keep us updated
 

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Without testing the water - my guess is that the tank isn't cycled......

My guess is that you are overfeeding and the uneaten food is rotting and causing an ammonia build up which is killing the fish.

Try this (until you get a water testing kit)
  1. reduce the amount you feed to what the fish eat (consume) within two minutes.
  2. Change 25% of your water every two days and ensure that you hoover the gravel properly - you should have no bubbles coming out of the gravel
See what happens within a week. The fish should stop dying and start eating.

keep us updated


Thank you, I appreciate your help.
 
Without being able to test the water for ammonia and nitrites, it’s impossible to say if your tank is still properly cycled for the amount of fish you have.

I recommend you immediately go to a pet store/fish store and get Seachem prime. Dose it every 24 hours (the Seachem forums keep saying it works 24-48 hours, so I would dose every 24 to be safe. It all eventually leaves the tank, so you don’t have to worry about buildup).

Also add Seachem prime every time you change water (if you are on municipal water, your water has chlorine or Chloramine in it, which is bad for your aquarium. Seachem prime will get rid of them). (Always add per instructions - so every 24 hours add however much is supposed to go in 20 gallons, and if you do a 50% water change, add however much is supposed to be added for 10 gallons. Don’t worry about overdosing, you can easily add at least 5x a normal dose, as per manufacturer instructions)

Also, I recommend you get the API master test kit (you want to be able to test for pH, ammonia, nitrite, and nitrate. Also - it’s good to be able to test for KH and GH, but you’ll have to buy those separate).

If your fish are dying, and you don’t know why, a good place to start is to keep the following parameters:

Temp - between 70-80F (and make sure when you do water changes you use a thermometer to match the water temp out of the tap with the temp in the tank, give or take a couple of degrees)

pH - between 7.0 and 8.0 (you can buy acid buffer and alkaline buffer to manage KH and pH. OR - if your pH is below 7, most likely changing enough of the tank water with tap water will bring the pH above 7. Your nitrifying bacteria don’t like acidic water. It’s important to try and keep the pH stable, so if you notice the pH changing a lot, you either need to do frequent water changes or increase the KH of your water and monitor the KH + pH)

Nitrates - under 20 (change the water at least 25% if it get higher)
Ammonia and Nitrite - change the water 25-50% if either gets over 5ppm.

Ammonia and Nitrite - if you detect nitrite, then your nitrifying bacteria haven’t caught up to the bioload of all the fish. Administer Seachem prime every 24 hours until there is no detectable nitrite. You can change the water when you get to 5ppm nitrite, but you need to leave SOME nitrite in the water, otherwise your nitrite eating bacteria won’t have food to eat, and won’t be able to establish

Ammonia is a little tricky - when Seachem gets rid of Chloramine, it creates ammonia (if your tap water has 2ppm Chloramine, you’ll immediately get 2ppm ammonia when you dose Seachem prime). So, just because you detect ammonia right after you do a water change and dose with prime, that doesn’t mean you have a problem with your ammonia eating bacteria. However, in your case right now, I would do the same with ammonia as with the nitrite - don’t change the water unless it gets over 5ppm ammonia (like with nitrite, you don’t want to change the water so much that you constantly bring it down to 0 - you want to leave food for the bacteria to eat. They will bring it down to 0 on their own once they multiply enough). Dose with prime every 24 hours.


Like the others said - be careful with overfeeding. Try giving them only what they can eat in a couple of minutes, once a day.

If their stomachs start to look sunken in after a week, feed a bit more.

Oh - also.


Siphon out some tank water into a bucket, and swish around the sponge inside your filter to clean it off a bit (not too much - you are just trying to knock off particles that are caught in the filter, but you want to keep all the nice slimy bacteria).
 
I personally think itnis a combination of overfeeding and the wrong substrate (in which food will get out of reach quitr easy and wills tart to rot). A ted tail shark isn't suitable for this tank btw.
 
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Without testing the water - my guess is that the tank isn't cycled......

My guess is that you are overfeeding and the uneaten food is rotting and causing an ammonia build up which is killing the fish.

Try this (until you get a water testing kit)
  1. reduce the amount you feed to what the fish eat (consume) within two minutes.
  2. Change 25% of your water every two days and ensure that you hoover the gravel properly - you should have no bubbles coming out of the gravel
See what happens within a week. The fish should stop dying and start eating.

keep us updated

I think you fixed my problem, since this post not a single fish has died. I replaced my rts with a pink glofish shark and got some neons, and I gotta say the tank seems healthier and happier than ever. Thanks a lot man!
 
pH - between 7.0 and 8.0 (you can buy acid buffer and alkaline buffer to manage KH and pH. OR - if your pH is below 7, most likely changing enough of the tank water with tap water will bring the pH above 7. Your nitrifying bacteria don’t like acidic water. It’s important to try and keep the pH stable, so if you notice the pH changing a lot, you either need to do frequent water changes or increase the KH of your water and monitor the KH + pH)

Just FYI ... but my tap water is 8.8 pH (or higher - the API test kit only goes to 8.8). My tank water is typically 8.2 pH. I have three generations of Panda Cory (20 total) living in a 36 gallon tank and I rarely lose a fish unless it's a natural cause. I don't bother to manipulate pH levels. Then again, pH isn't the whole story - gH and kH have an important role also but my Corys, by now - are "high pH" Corys and they've adapted and evolved that way. They breed pretty profusely and most of them I have were spawned in this high-pH water and raised in it. I would not do anything to change my water's pH at this point.

Point I'm making is that most estimates of ideal pH for this fish are based on it's natural environment. However, the fish you buy in the pet store are most likely bred in different conditions. I will admit to losing a few in the beginning - but the "Darwin Effect" kicked in big time and now all my Cory's thrive in high pH water.
 
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