Game Of Thrones Fans?

It's like reading the Harry Potter books and then watching the films...

They just make up what they want and throw it all over the shop.
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Ha! That's a sore topic for me. Same with the Hunger Games movies. I stopped watching both mid-movie because I was so aggravated with how the books were translated to film. Now that's unfair because one can only fit so much into a movie and perhaps they were great but once you love a book it can be difficult to like the story and characters represented differently.
 

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Ha! That's a sore topic for me. Same with the Hunger Games movies. I stopped watching both mid-movie because I was so aggravated with how the books were translated to film. Now that's unfair because one can only fit so much into a movie and perhaps they were great but once you love a book it can be difficult to like the story and characters represented differently.
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I kinda feel the same with the Cirque du Freak movie. It was still a good movie, but a HUGE attribute of one of the main characters was dropped in the movie. Like, it was his THING. His main personality trait.
 

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Anyone else watching today's episode late due to Mother's Day? I'll be avoiding spoliers (including Fishlore) until I'm caught up!

Happy Mother's Day to all the moms out there. ❤
 
I had to laugh @ this thread. I'm an uber nerd and have read all the books and have seen every episode. For those who haven't but want to, know that George RR Martin is by far the MOST AGGRAVATING AUTHOR EVER. The series differs from the books, why? because he hasn't written the next book! The 5th book came out in 2011 and he's been working on the next book ever since.

Now for the show. I have many questions. What happened to the White Walkers? Where were they when their king was getting snuck up on??? And what happened to the babies that were given to the knight king way back in the early seasons? How in the world was the Night King killed that easily? How in the world do they just "end" after 1000 years of being a threat, a threat so big there's a giant wall to keep them behind?
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agreed!!

There was another series’s of books before GOT called the Wheel of time. Very good reading and different from what was being written till than. Problem the series went on for about 10yrs and the author died before the end. Lost track of it somewhere after the ninth book.

I’ve never read these books but I can see how Martin will have an even harder time writing now with other ideas out there than his own.

Next HBO was bought by I think ATT. From what I’ve heard they now want to move into the Netflix arena. No more long drawn out shows. Just quick shows all at once. They are the reason GOT is finishing this year. There are a few spin-off from GOT in the future.
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You should finish The Wheel Of Time. The guy that finished did a good job.IMO worth reading
 

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This season has been terrible. GRRM is going to die before he finishes his books and this is his legacy. Interested in hearing his thoughts about the series in the next few weeks.
 
This season has been terrible. GRRM is going to die before he finishes his books and this is his legacy. Interested in hearing his thoughts about the series in the next few weeks.
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That's Dan and Dave's legacy. GRRM's legacy is still to be determined.
 
Mixed feelings. Everything is just so rushed now. They're racing to get to the end. This whole season should have been about The Long Night. And there should have been one more season entirely about Dany becoming The Mad Queen. Not one episode about the long night and one episode about Dany losing it. Don't mind my Monday morning quarter backing I'm still enjoying the show. The story line is just insanely rushed.
 
Yeah last nights episode was great. But they could have done two possibly 3 more seasons that would have been much better watching. I season on the night king and one season on last night. They could have done a whole episode on the hound fighting his brother. Compared to the rest of the series this is a disappointing season. So much details left out. Such a shame. So it’s all over next week .
You should finish The Wheel Of Time. The guy that finished did a good job.IMO worth reading
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I was looking up info on these books and I read they had been finished. Also somewhere back in 13 the rights were bought to make a show or series of movies. Been caught up in legal things but they are going to start filming later this year or next.
Got to say it’s been years. Series started in 90 and finished with another author in 2013 23years. I stoped reading after book 11 in 05. So I’d have to reread them to remember all the characters. I still have the books so some day I may.
 

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Is everyone ready for tomorrow night's last episode???
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*WARNING, Apologies to anyone still enjoying the show, lots of cynical comments ahead.......I'm sadly more excited for the after show memes. For entertainment value this show is still great. Beyond that this season has been a dumpster fire in my opinion.I've had to admit to myself I've fallen out of love with the show. Every character plot line, character arc, deep seeded storylines that were woven into the story over the course of 10 years have been thrown out the window. Soooo many plot holes and loops that make no sense now. I feel like everything that's happened in the last 7 seasons has been pointless. HODOR DIED FOR NO REASON. NOBODY GOT TO KILL CERSEI....An entire season of Bran finding the 3 Eyed Raven...FOR WHAT!?!?! I felt the change in story telling starting in season 6 after the show got passed the books but boy oh boy this season has been such a disappointment. I feel like Michael Bay is directing this season. "A story line that's rich, deep, AND makes sense?!? NO that's not what viewers want, we need EXPLOSIONS, FIRE, DESTRUCTION, and to subvert expectations at the cost of ruining the character arc!"...alright I'm done. I'll still watch it, and I'm sure I'll still angrily be yelling at my television about how nothing I'm witnessing is making any sense and how a beloved show has been absolutely ruined. To each their own and to anyone that still loves the show sorry for my cynicism....may we all just hope George R.R. finishes the books before he dies so we can get the true GOT ending we deserve.
 
You can sign the petition for them to redo this season. I think a million people have signed it.
 
You can sign the petition for them to redo this season. I think a million people have signed it.
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haha! I saw that. So many upset fans! The crumbling building killing CerseI is comparable to as if Dobby killed Voldemort in Harry Potter. It's almost the same for Arya killing the Night King too. Imagine years of Harry Potter books building up Harry Vs. Voldemort then.... BAM .....Dobby comes for nowhere and kills Voldemort purely because the writers believed fans wouldn't expect it and it presents a large shock value. Not because it makes sense. Fans would have been outraged. That's how I feel about GOT now. Just a bunch of Dobbys going around nonsensically killing the main villains.
 
Yes, actually I am excited for the finale. I want to see what happens, how it finally ends. I guess I'm easy to please. I just no longer see the show as the same as the books or even canon (lol), and enjoy it simply for what it is.

Now getting to what toeknee said, I say that even before the season passed the books (i.e., season 6), the show jumped the shark in nearly every scene that diverged from the books that Dan and Dave decided on. Some I can understand for budgeting reasons, for instance, while others not so much and should have simply followed the books.

I almost feel sorry for D&D (Dumber and Dumber), because of the fallout. I did not sign the petition, because a remake of season 8 will never happen. All it is there for is to shame them, and I don't believe in that. They messed up badly enough, and they will forever be known as the goofballs who destroyed a potentially great legacy, one bigger than even Tolkien. They should have kept to simple storytelling, instead of trying to be GRRM. They tried; they failed. Perhaps when they do the Old Republic Star Wars trilogy, they apply what they learned, the dos and don'ts, and try not to get too clever.

And let's at least give them some credit. Unlike the guys at Disney that are responsible for the new Star Wars movies, which btw, I like a lot (yes, even The Last Jedi), they didn't blame the fans or attack them.
 
For me it's not even that the story diverges from the books. It feels like they started with the books, and everything the book portion built up was just thrown out the window and new plot line began.

They could have built off of what the books started. It's more like they started brand new character development from scratch after they surpassed the books which you can tell if you've never read the books. If you know when the show surpassed the books the quality of storytelling clearly goes downhill. All the intricacies of the show end in season 6.

Before season 6 fans could come up with all these crazy, deep and seemingly impossible theories on what was actually going on and some of them were actually true! Come season 6 the possibility of crazy theories coming true was over as storytelling was dumbed down to average at best. Linear and predictable.

It went from a deep, non stereotypical, trope breaking show. To a stereotypical, Michael Bay style movie. The only hooks left where big explosions and doing the opposite of what you expect to happen purely for the sake of the shock factor. Not because it makes sense to do, or actually fits in with the story. D&D literally said they picked Arya to kill the NK because it wasn't expected. That's it......that's the only reason.

D&D recently vaguely blamed the fans for not understanding their viewpoint in response to this seasons bad ratings. Definitely not as bad as what the Disney guys said but still.

I'm normally not this cynical and can just enjoy things for what they are. But the whole reason I and many others fell in love with this show has had gasoline poured all over it and lit on fire.....In my opinion of course, and I respect anyone who's still truly enjoying the show. Alright I'm actually done now.

Happy Thrones to everyone tomorrow night! I'll probably be on my couch drinking wine straight from the bottle yelling at my tv.
 
Said it before and I'll say it again.
The MCU has my infinite respect for creating a decade-long, continuous collaborative narrative that juggled dozens of main characters, and actually sticking the landing with its cumulative finale. That's something I have yet to witness in anything else I've followed so far.

Luckily I have been enjoying myself just fine, despite the fact that the state of King's Landing at the end of Ep 5 is pretty much the perfect analogy for its fandom and current public opinion about the show. I mostly feel sad because I know nothing about this will end well for any character I liked. But ya know, regardless of my own opinion? They really done goofed to tick everyone off THIS much...
 
I think the only way I'll be happy tomorrow night is if both Jon and Dany die because I can no longer stand either of them. Tyrion takes the Iron Thrown (If Dany hasn't melted it already) Drogon becomes Tyrions buddy, Tormund and Ghost come back to be his right hand men to rule the 7 Kingdoms happily ever after. THE END
 
Hey who says cerseI dead !! I predict right after Dany and Jon kill each other the mountain pulls her out of the rubble.
 
Hey who says cerseI dead !! I predict right after Dany and Jon kill each other the mountain pulls her out of the rubble.
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Nah, more like the very last scene will zoom away from a melancholy Jon Snow sitting on the iron throne and towards some beautiful island somewhere, with CerseI and Jaime Lannister, finally happy together, out on a terrace holding their baby. The end. If I'm right, you heard it here first.
 

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Lol that’s my other scenario. They show the beach and the row boat is gone.
 
Lol that’s my other scenario. They show the beach and the row boat is gone.
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Ohh, I like that one. Leave it ambiguous!

Dan and Dave aftershow: We wanted a happily ever after for the least deserving of characters, but leave it up for the audience to interpret.
 
I'm very excited actually. Not been too happy with the season but looking forward to seeing how it ends - though I've heard from people that read leaks that it is really bad.

I've actually been watching lots of old scenes the last week, with Ned and Robert, Sandor meeting Beric in the cave and Oberyn talking with Tyrion in the cell...... man the writing was so good back then....
 
The day is here. The end of an era. I've purchased to bottles of Malbec to drown my inevitable sorrows and some some throat drops to fix my sore throat I'll get after yelling at my tv throughout tonight's finale.

Despite my qualms with this season it's a sad day to see it all come to an end. Happy Thronesing everyone!
 
I’m excited and sad.

I did read that there are three spinoffs in the works. One is due to start filming soon but the other two are still in the writing stages. Hopefully this is true. We may be done with these characters tonight, but we’ll still have the world of Westeros if the spinoffs come to fruition.
 
I’m excited and sad.

I did read that there are three spinoffs in the works. One is due to start filming soon but the other two are still in the writing stages. Hopefully this is true. We may be done with these characters tonight, but we’ll still have the world of Westeros if the spinoffs come to fruition.
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They've already announced a few of the new actors for the upcoming prequel. One being NaomI Watts. George R.R. said in a blog post that if it were up to him he would have named the prequel series "The Long Night"....so I'm assuming it takes place during the White Walkers first invasion of Westeros. They're supposed to shoot the pilot sometime "early this summer" Hopefully they do a good job with it.
 
I enjoyed the finale for what it was, but the showrunners (Dumb and Dumber) really need to cut out useless scenes that won't have payoffs later, like last episode's scene with Arya and the white horse, which I heard is supposed to symbolize her as Death. Another subversion of expectations attempt or just trying to be artsy? Whatever it was, it sucked because it turned out to be time filler that could have been replaced with something relevant that improves the story.

I felt nothing when Jon killed Dany. Again, it's all about the payoffs. My only thought was that was quick.

Bran being proclaimed king could have been handled better and not by Tyrion, a prisoner, as if he was at a board meeting. Seriously, it's like watching a CW show, which is notorious for crappy writing.

I liked that Tormund and the other wildlings waited for Jon to arrive at the wall, and then they all left beyond the wall together. I knew D&D would end the show with an ambiguous ending, open to interpretation. I personally believe Jon Snow is the new King-Beyond-The-Wall, which I think is actually a fitting end, personally.

Overall, if anyone asks me if they should watch Game of Thrones, I'll tell them to read the books instead, then watch seasons 1-4 and pretend the others don't exist, that the show was cancelled. Or just skip 5, 6, 7, and watch 8.
 
I thought it was terrible! Liked when he killed Dany but everything after was just bad. No after this season I wouldn’t recommend anyone who hasn’t watched the series to watch it.
 
PLOT TWIST. Bran was sitting on the throne the WHOLE time!

But really I tried my best to enjoy last nights episode. I also felt nothing when Jon Killed Dany

The whole white horse thing was pointless

So basically if Jamie and CerseI had been standing 15 feet to the right they would have been just fine and the 7 bricks that landed on them wouldn't have killed them.

Tyrion going from not being allowed to speak to being allowed to decide that "from this day forward Kings will be chosen and not born!".....as a prisoner the unsullied want dead...and he's just allowed to make that grand stand speech and decide the ENTIRE FATE of the 7 Kingdoms

Why was Jon banished to the Nights Watch.....the place built to protect Westeros from the dead and the free folk. The dead are........dead. The Free Folk are friends now. There is no point in having a Nights Watch. Didn't the Ice Dragon DESTROY the wall???l yet we see it fully built in the last scenes?

Lazy, lazy, lazy writing. This whole seasons writing mentality seems to have been. "Hey we've already been paid, people already love this show and are going to watch this season no matter, we can basically spoon feed viewers horse manure and they'll eat it right up!"
 
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After thinking about it and watching an analysis
I think I have my feeling about this pinned down.

This was a tragedy, in the literary sense. But there just wasn't enough time for it to work. Rather than carefully scattering clues around to make the end result an inevitable outcome of characters' flawed natures, stuff is just pointed to, like, "See THAT'S why so n so did the thing!" Plot points happened without really developing character arcs or contributing to a central theme.... which is kind of a shame, because tragedies are some of the best ways to examine the nature of the human heart, even if it often requires figuratively ripping them from characters' ribcages to do so.

I think the season really suffered from its structure overall. It's only 6 eps, split cleanly in two, with 3 eps dedicated to the Long Night and Dany's conquest each. The two events feel almost wholly unrelated, and for such cataclysmic events, they really hardly feed into one another at all. Armies get decimated and rebuilt instantly, like the DothrakI and Unsullied just multiply asexually or smth. Character development happens and gets immediately backtracked... Jaime fookin' Lannister. It's like they took the last 3 eps of a 10 ep season, cut out everything else, and smushed em together. I've wondered if eps 1-3 could have benefited from being the finale of season 7 rather than the midpoint of 8. Then, 8 could have spent its time actually developing towards those events...

So yeah I'm sad, likely the kind of sad intended by the writing. I also have a feeling that this ending could have remained relatively unchanged but still satisfying, had it played out in a much more logical, complex, and gradual way, rather than juggling two almost completely unrelated climaxes, and dedicating the minimum amount of time to executing each.
 

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Totally agree with BlackOsprey

There just wasn't enough time to satisfyingly build up to this conclusion. I enjoy the story line itself. But there were just so many huge and rapid turning points in characters this season that happened way too fast to make sense.

Had these turning points been more slowly built up more logically so it made more sense I think a lot more people would have been happy with it.

I still say there should have been one more season. This entire season should have been about the White Walkers and the Long Night. The next about Danny vs. CerseI then vs. Starks. Which still would be hard to do in one season to give the context justice.

It is what it is. Now we just have to hope George finishes the books before he kicks the bucket. Hopefully the writers of the prequel are taking notice to the current fan reaction of Season 8 and bring back the old G.O.T. deep intricate storytelling.
 
Lol, another oopsies, but instead of a Starbucks cup, there's a water bottle by Samwell Tarley's foot while the lords are having a sit down discussing the who should be King.

In hindsight, Greyworm would never have allowed Jon to join the Night's Watch; he would have died for Dany and put a spear through Jon the moment he found out he killed his Queen.
 
This is a first, I have yet to see a single soul try to defend this mess. Granted I don't follow this religiously, but even The Last JedI split fans into a vocal love-it-or-hate-it duality when it first came out. Here, it's just a common consensus of disappointment and/or fury.

Before s8 came out I was planning to watch all of Thrones with some friends who had never seen it. I'm still gonna do that 'cause honestly there's a lot more good stuff than bad in this show, they're very interested, and I really wanna see their reactions while enjoying the show with some foresight. But darn, that ending has made me feel apprehensive about getting others started on this show. Feels almost wrong to sell em on something like this, when I know exactly how it will turn out in the end. Eghhhh
 
This is a first, I have yet to see a single soul try to defend this mess. Granted I don't follow this religiously, but even The Last JedI split fans into a vocal love-it-or-hate-it duality when it first came out. Here, it's just a common consensus of disappointment and/or fury.

Before s8 came out I was planning to watch all of Thrones with some friends who had never seen it. I'm still gonna do that 'cause honestly there's a lot more good stuff than bad in this show, they're very interested, and I really wanna see their reactions while enjoying the show with some foresight. But darn, that ending has made me feel apprehensive about getting others started on this show. Feels almost wrong to sell em on something like this, when I know exactly how it will turn out in the end. Eghhhh
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I say go for it. If they like it enough, they'll binge watch it in a week or two. At least they won't be invested in it for 10 years, which is what made a lot of people angry. The show went from well thought out and logical, to full on stupid. Long time fans have invested time and money in this show for 10 years, and this is what they got in return.
 
In hindsight, Greyworm would never have allowed Jon to join the Night's Watch; he would have died for Dany and put a spear through Jon the moment he found out he killed his Queen.
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Well when you think about it. Who told Grayworm any way. Nobody knew but Jon. The dragon took Dany for a snack and that was the end of her.
 
Well when you think about it. Who told Grayworm any way. Nobody knew but Jon. The dragon took Dany for a snack and that was the end of her.
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Fair point. The issue with this season is there are a lot of assumptions you have to make, and sometimes things fly right over your head. Like for instance, I did not realize Varys was sending the girl to poison Dany. I only found out after the episode. Or how Arya managed to sneak up on the Knight King, and fly over the heads of his generals. Now for this case, I made the assumption that Jon, being the honorable person that he is, deep in grief, admitted to killing Dany. I suppose that's the reason why D&D are there post-episode. That is, to fill in the much-needed context Seems to me they made this season just for them, since only they know 100 percent what's really going on.
 
Ok my version of a better ending. Jon kills Dany. The dragon burns the throne the DothrakI and unsullied storm the chamber the dragon burns Jon. He steps out of the flame everybody kneels. Jon’s king .
 

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Definitely a disappointing end. I like that they actually took the time to "close out" the endings for all the characters, but I also feel like I have more questions still. Jon was banished to the night's watch then goes north with the wildlings. Is he going to help them rebuild then coming back? Or is he "abandoning" his post and going with them for good? My bf said it was all wildlings that were left when he got there, but then who opened and closed the gates for them? Someone was still there doing something.

And my bf said (and I agree) that a spin-off following Arya on her explorations beyond Westeros would be cool. But they did all of her assassin build up for her to just go exploring? That's it?

"Dany, you will always be my queen" *stab* *THE END* And that was basically the whole episode.
 
Ok my version of a better ending. Jon kills Dany. The dragon burns the throne the DothrakI and unsullied storm the chamber the dragon burns Jon. He steps out of the flame everybody kneels. Jon’s king .
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I would've preferred if Jon had been king in the end, but he still would've died in the dragon fire if drogon had gone for him.

Another thing about this season I didn't particularly like are the massive time jumps all the time. D&D really should've taken HBOs offer for two more seasons rather than one rushed one.
 
I thought Targaryens were immune to fire?
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Only the special ones are, like Danaerys. Her brother wasn't, and whether or not Jon is is still questionable. I believe it was said somewhere along the way that they needed to be pure-blood though to even be possible, so Jon wouldn't be.
 
I thought Targaryens were immune to fire?
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Nope. Danny was just immune in the first season because of the magic from the dragons and the witch. Then later on I think there was another instance but that was due to D&Ds quality writing. Jon was burnt in the first book and I think the first season. The last Targaryens to try to hatch dragons were burnt alive with their entire castle. They are a bit more resistant to heat I believe but not immune to fire. (Yikes my got nerd is showing)
 
In the books, no Targaryens are immune to fire, not even Dany--except that one instance involving blood magic when she came out of the fire and the dragon eggs hatched. Pretty much happened exactly the same in the show, but in the book her hair was completely scorched.
 
In the books, no Targaryens are immune to fire, not even Dany--except that one instance involving blood magic when she came out of the fire and the dragon eggs hatched. Pretty much happened exactly the same in the show, but in the book her hair was completely scorched.
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Wasn't the second instance in the show also in the books? I haven't read them, so I don't know.
 
Wasn't the second instance in the show also in the books? I haven't read them, so I don't know.
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I don't remember it happening it the books, the second instance that is. I don't think the books are that far - I believe it was when she burned the dothrakI leaders in the show though whether there was another before that I can't remember. GRRM confirmed a while back that it was the magic of the situation that protected her when the dragons hatched.
 

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