Backup generator suggestions

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Has anyone used a back up portable generator for their aquariums to be used during a power outage? We had a 24 hour power outage Last week, And have a really complicated gas powered huge generator that has to be run outside of the house and we run several cords throughout the house. Does anyone use something that would be powerful enough to run 4 canister filters )and a heater), But be run on batteries for indoor use? I lost a couple fish a few days after the power outage. They just took it pretty hard. My tropicals, strangely were fine even though their water got down to 70. A couple of my fancy, more delicate goldfish didn’t fare so well. I would really love to have that not happen again.
If anyone has a product recommendation or something to use, please share! Thanks, Sonya
 

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you could build a battery bank with a couple group 31 deep cycle batteries and an inverter. That's what the big construction signs use.
 

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We made one for my grandmother. Its mounted on a cheap wagon. The batteries are in wooden box. We used 3 batteries. And mounted the charger and inverter to the top. It runs her fridge for about 36 hours.
 
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Interesting - Sound so much more convenient than gasoline. Thanks for the advice
 
I'm not sure if most fish keepers just live in warm climates or if their power companies are just more on the ball, but in researching power options in the event of an outage, it seems like most people are concerned with keeping only pumps on?? For a max of a couple hours??

Idk about you guys but I'm from Canada, and we have our lovely "not" crown corporation bchydro running a monopoly on the energy industry in my province... And they suck. The last couple years, my power has been out for a minimum of 3 days at a time during -10c° or colder weather (0c° is the freezing point where water turns to ice, equivalent to 32F° which makes NO sense to me I might add). So to say I need something to run heaters as much as I need pumps is an understatement!

I have 3 tanks, 2 of which are heated, and 4 filters plus 2 air pumps. 29 and 5.5 are heated, 20 isnt. Light isn't a concern because they're freshwater. I'm figuring I need a generator for them. I would prefer battery but I'm open to gas. Can someone please recommend me one I can buy locally or online? Amazon or elsewhere as long as shipping to Canada won't be a pain.
 

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Go to your local Home Depot and pick out a portable gas powered generator such as this: https://www.homedepot.ca/product/firman-generators-performance-series-3650w-generator/1001036064

Haven an electrician run a line to the generator and transfer switch so that it can power your whole circuit while isolating you from the power grid. You don't want to send power back out onto the grid.

Now you have to choose a generator that is enough power to run what you need in an emergency.

Go around the house and add up the power of what you need in an emergency.

Fish
Well pump
Fridge/freezer
microwave oven
furnace

At my place we have a 5500 W generator and it keeps us going in a long blackout. Fish too! I can even run the hot water heater at night when everything else is off!
 
I'm just having a generator panel wired in after 27 yrs of power outages, the worst one 7 days long. I'm also on Vancouver Island. I chose a Honda 7000 wt fuel injected so I would have less maintenance. Honda in Nanaimo and a dealer in Duncan. Still have to do the monthly checks and start ups though... expensive but they are known for being one of the best and being quiet. It's going to run all of my lights, 2 fridges, freezer and 4 fish tanks... 50,40,30, 10 gallon with heaters and filters.

My aquarium needs:
The fish tank lights are LEDs
4 LEDs : Fluval 2@ 2amps each. 1LED @ 3amp. 1 LED@ 1 amp
4 Heaters: 200wt 200wt 150wt 50wt
Filter motors: 4 x 7wt 1 x 14wt

Honda has smaller generators for less money that could do tanks alone or as Frank mentioned Home Depot. All I have to do now is turn off the main breaker for the house, warm the generator up and throw the transfer switch for all on the generator panel, no need to add appliances one by one. But I could if I wanted to. Chose the panel so I wouldn't have to use extension cords, my tanks are in different rooms. A 2- 3000 wt would probably do your tanks and more. Remember your security, chain it down with a lock. Portable generators are a hot commodity to thieves.
Wish I'd done this years ago.

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Honda Generators - how much power do I need?
 
Hello all,

What does everyone have for a backup generator? I am running two 300 watt heaters and two eheim 1262 submersible pumps (80 watts each) on my aquarium and wanted to see if anyone had one that has came through for them during a power outage. I am looking for something small that I’ll use just for my aquarium.
 

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Thanks for your reply! Do you have the gasoline or propane option? And will it kick on automatically or do you have to be present to start it up when the power cuts off. More concerned about when I am out of town...

Gasoline. Unfortunately, it’s not a self-starter.
 
Gasoline generators typically will only run 12-18 hours before out of fuel. If you want to run something longer you will have to use propane and have it hooked up to a large external propane tank outside your house. How long of a duration do you want this to be able to run for? Propane generator set up like that, as long as you have a big enough tank, can run 5-8 days, but if you run out of oil in the generator which will most likely be your limiting factor, it will either shut off or ruin the generator.
 
Gasoline generators typically will only run 12-18 hours before out of fuel. If you want to run something longer you will have to use propane and have it hooked up to a large external propane tank outside your house. How long of a duration do you want this to be able to run for? Propane generator set up like that, as long as you have a big enough tank, can run 5-8 days, but if you run out of oil in the generator which will most likely be your limiting factor, it will either shut off or ruin the generator.


Looking to only run for a day max in case of a emergency power outage. Haven't had anything longer than that around where I live.
 
Honda makes a nice decent generator that my wife can carry around. It runs my miter box and small compressor.
 
Gasoline generators typically will only run 12-18 hours before out of fuel. If you want to run something longer you will have to use propane and have it hooked up to a large external propane tank outside your house. How long of a duration do you want this to be able to run for? Propane generator set up like that, as long as you have a big enough tank, can run 5-8 days, but if you run out of oil in the generator which will most likely be your limiting factor, it will either shut off or ruin the generator.
For extended use of a generator, natural gas if available is the best way to go. What do you mean by "run out of oil"?
Generators do not use oil, they need oil to lubricate the inner workings of the engine.

Honda makes a nice decent generator that my wife can carry around. It runs my miter box and small compressor.
This is by far the best advice. Get a small gas powered generator like the ones used for camping or tail gating. The Honda is also pretty quiet and they are very reasonable.
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For extended use of a generator, natural gas if available is the best way to go. What do you mean by "run out of oil"?
Generators do not use oil, they need oil to lubricate the inner workings of the engine.
Correct, if they are wanting to set up a generator to run for several days unattended, they run the risk of running out of lubricating oil. Most generators are air cooled, not liquid cooled, and will burn through all their oil in under a week of constant use. just something to consider if you are going to be running one and not in attendance of it.
 
For extended use of a generator, natural gas if available is the best way to go. What do you mean by "run out of oil"?
Generators do not use oil, they need oil to lubricate the inner workings of the engine.


This is by far the best advice. Get a small gas powered generator like the ones used for camping or tail gating. The Honda is also pretty quiet and they are very reasonable.
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With this model or any gasoline powered generator, I guess the problem I will have is that it will not automatically kick on if I am not home and the power goes out, correct?

I don't have any experience with generators but in my head I'm thinking of something that is probably plugged in and stays charged until power goes out and it can automatically kick on if power is lost...
 
Yeah, I fully get what you are thinking, I also don't know much about generators but only ones I know of that kick on automatically are standby generators and they sit outside your house like an AC unit and power your entire house during an outage. I am not sure if there is anything out there that could be set up to just automatically kick on and only run that specific equipment. Standby generators are going to cost upwards of 5k+ and will need to be hooked up to natural gas or a propane tank. All of these smaller generators are going to require you to set them up incase of the outage.
 
Hello all,

What does everyone have for a backup generator? I am running two 300 watt heaters and two eheim 1262 submersible pumps (80 watts each) on my aquarium and wanted to see if anyone had one that has came through for them during a power outage. I am looking for something small that I’ll use just for my aquarium.
Gasoline is cheaper and is more work because gas goes stale and will need to be run out more . There is a company that lets you use your car as a generator car generator.com

It could run your heaters and pump. You may be able to use the lower wattage 1000 watts if start pumps first then heaters .

Also it is better to run a generator at 50 to 75 % than low load so take that into account if getting portable. Do not think an issue with car generator
 

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Correct, if they are wanting to set up a generator to run for several days unattended, they run the risk of running out of lubricating oil. Most generators are air cooled, not liquid cooled, and will burn through all their oil in under a week of constant use. just something to consider if you are going to be running one and not in attendance of it.
Any generator that uses oil is defective and needs repair. Do you run out of oil in your car?
Do you run out of oil in your gas powered lawn mower? Its air cooled.
Engine oil is not used up like fuel. It resides in the engine crankcase and lubricates the moving parts inside of the engine. Some stand by generators have a low oil sensor that can shut off the generator or send an alarm.
This is provided as a stand by generator may run with no one present. To protect the engine in case there is a low oil situation. No gas, propane, natural gas or diesel generators should ever run out of engine oil unless there is an engine problem.
And significant use of oil should never be considered normal no matter how long the engine has run.

With this model or any gasoline powered generator, I guess the problem I will have is that it will not automatically kick on if I am not home and the power goes out, correct?
I don't have any experience with generators but in my head I'm thinking of something that is probably plugged in and stays charged until power goes out and it can automatically kick on if power is lost...
You don't need a generator if all you want to protect is your tank. You listed how many watts? A stand by or portable generator needs to be started. Either by an automatic transfer switch or manually.
I personally would go with the manual option Honda small generator. But thats just me.
I am home most of the time and when I am away I return within a few hours.
If I'm on vacation, well I'm on vacation.

Yeah, I fully get what you are thinking, I also don't know much about generators but only ones I know of that kick on automatically are standby generators and they sit outside your house like an AC unit and power your entire house during an outage. I am not sure if there is anything out there that could be set up to just automatically kick on and only run that specific equipment. Standby generators are going to cost upwards of 5k+ and will need to be hooked up to natural gas or a propane tank. All of these smaller generators are going to require you to set them up incase of the outage.
Anything can be set up to do anything if the person setting it up knows how.
But you are correct. Generally a stand by generator is connected to an automatic transfer switch that will start the generator when the power fails and will turn it off once the power is restored.
And yes again on the small unit recommended above. Someone must start it.

Gasoline is cheaper and is more work because gas goes stale and will need to be run out more . There is a company that lets you use your car as a generator car generator.com
It could run your heaters and pump. You may be able to use the lower wattage 1000 watts if start pumps first then heaters .
Also it is better to run a generator at 50 to 75 % than low load so take that into account if getting portable. Do not think an issue with car generator
Gasoline is an issue with an engine that sits around for possibly years before it is needed. And running this engine dry of gasoline is a very good idea. You do not need to run the complete tank dry thought. Turning the fuel valve to "off" and allowing the engine to stop, is all that is required for the engine. For units without a fuel shutoff valve, I highly recommend installing one. Its simple and cheap.
Fuel that remains in the tank needs/must be treated. There are several excellent products that will protect gasoline form going bad. Its a fuel additive. Boaters use these additives as they may only run their boat a few times each year.

Why would you want to run a generator at 50% -75% load? It will use less fuel this way, but will not have any effect on the engine.
I'm not on board with the car powered system as you must start the car and you must also run a cable from the car to the item you want to power.
The Honda generator will be a much better option as it uses less gasoline and can be positioned closer to the tank/house.
One thing that must be said here.
Never run any engine inside your home or garage. It must be placed at least 10' from the house with the exhaust aimed away from the house.
 
The reason for going with the car generator is that it is the lowest cost option. Only issue could be voltage drop with long extension cord. Well ... other than owning a car.
 
Any generator that uses oil is defective and needs repair. Do you run out of oil in your car?
Do you run out of oil in your gas powered lawn mower? Its air cooled.
Engine oil is not used up like fuel. It resides in the engine crankcase and lubricates the moving parts inside of the engine. Some stand by generators have a low oil sensor that can shut off the generator or send an alarm.

Generators & Oil Consumption.
" All generators consume some oil during operation. Our experience with Generac generators indicates that you can expect the generator to consume between 1/2 and 3/4 of a quart of oil when operating over a continuous 24 hour period. "
How Often Should You Change the Oil in Your Generator?
Generator Oil Change and Maintenance Tips - How to Maintain Your Generator In Extreme Conditions.
Generator Maintenance Tips


If you have a generator and you run it continuous without checking/changing the oil... Every manufacturer recommends checking/topping oil off when you refuel, and doing oil changes roughly every 24 hours of continuous use.

The most common issue with generators not working is someone not frequently checking the oil.

And yes again on the small unit recommended above. Someone must start it.

OP said they were looking for something automatic when out of town.


Below is from the Manual of the generator you linked. It recommends changing the oil every 20 hours of use.... and to check the level before every use.
 

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Other than a home standby generator the only other Automatic option would be a bunch of cart batteries on an inverter / ATS. Will not run for days. But get u through shorter outages. Or give u time to setup you car generator. Do a cost analysis to see best option.

Price close to a home generator but no permits fuel lines and wiring.
 
The reason for going with the car generator is that it is the lowest cost option. Only issue could be voltage drop with long extension cord. Well ... other than owning a car.
I for one would rather run a small generator than run my car or truck at idle for extended periods. In this case I would be running my truck with a 5.7 liter engine. Clearly the Honda would be less money to run and best of all.......its designed for this purpose. Cars and trucks are not.

Generators & Oil Consumption.
" All generators consume some oil during operation. Our experience with Generac generators indicates that you can expect the generator to consume between 1/2 and 3/4 of a quart of oil when operating over a continuous 24 hour period. "
How Often Should You Change the Oil in Your Generator?
Generator Oil Change and Maintenance Tips - How to Maintain Your Generator In Extreme Conditions.
Generator Maintenance Tips
https://www.familyhandyman.com/list/generator-maintenance-tips/

First. Combustion engines do use/burn "some" oil over time. But any significant use is an indication of another problem. If Generac says 24 hours and I had a Generac I would heed the warning.
It would be useless to have a whole home generator and transfer switch that had to be shut down every 24 hours for maintenance. (check the oil) This is why a good generator incorporates a low oil alarm or shut down. On good ones you can program what it does. To alarm or shut down or both. Also stand by generators hold significanlty more oil that a smaller portable type. They are very different.
But I do agree on generator maint. and the other links you posted. All combustion engines require maint.
You will get no argument from me on this point.

If you have a generator and you run it continuous without checking/changing the oil... Every manufacturer recommends checking/topping oil off when you refuel, and doing oil changes roughly every 24 hours of continuous use.

And I totally agree when using a portable generator. But stand by generators do not get refueled as they have a constant source of fuel. Propane, diesel, natural gas and some have a large tank of gasoline.
Also many stand by generators do not shut down for several days or even weeks. Think about hospitals and utilities. These folks cannot shut down the generator until utility power is returned. Thankfully these generators can be monitored without turning them off.
So what you are reading is "best practice" and most likely aimed at the consumer and portables. But are good practices for the consumer.

The most common issue with generators not working is someone not frequently checking the oil.

What common issue? The presence of oil and oil pressure is important to any combustion engine. But its clearly not a common reason for engine failure.
I can think of many more issues that might compromise an engine.
I check the oil in every single engine I use for my lawn, every time I plan to use them. I also change the oil at the determined intervals as instructed by the manufacturer.

OP said they were looking for something automatic when out of town.
And clearly a good reason to look for something that will not need human intervention.

Below is from the Manual of the generator you linked. It recommends changing the oil every 20 hours of use.... and to check the level before every use.
All/every small engine manufactured has some requirement in this regard.
Lets be clear. I agree no combustion engine should ever be run low or with out oil. I agree oil should be changed when indicated and any oil filters replaced if present.
I think we both can agree oil is important and the life blood of the engine.
And I think we both can agree we have worn out this subject.....lol

Once more.
Never run any engine inside your home or in your garage and see that the generator is placed at least 10' from any dwelling.

And check the oil regularly!
 
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