Another post about bolivian ram sexing!

[garlicrbrian]

hello hello, would someone like to confirm the sex of my ram here?

 

[Feohw]

That's a female.

 

[Flyfisha]

The last reply garlicrbrian leaves me no where to go without sounding like I am trying to be contradictory?

All I can say is I have a breeding bloodline of this species that shows limited sexual dimorphism.

I can’t be that certain about my fish.

 

[Bwood22]

The last reply garlicrbrian leaves me no where to go without sounding like I am trying to be contradictory?

All I can say is I have a breeding bloodline of this species that shows limited sexual dimorphism.

I can’t be that certain about my fish.

So...I see an analfin that stops at the base of the caudle fin, there is no raise bump on the forehead, and there is an egg tube.

I'm asking because I'm genuinely curious: what do you see that indicates that this might not a female?
I don't breed these.

 

[Flyfisha]

Hi Bwood22
Only very limited new blood of many species can be imported legally into Australia. Sometimes fish are accidentally mislabeled and new stock arrives.
After many generations of breeding with the limited livestock in Australia it seems many of the species we have don’t show the same characteristics as the pictures on the internet? Now I don’t know if this is a common issue in the aquarium trade or something that is only in Australia? However the fish seem to know who is who and I don’t lose many if any juveniles when they breed.
Having had some spawns fade away I know my strain of Bolivian rams are one of the ones that have inbreeding issues. At least that is my reasoning behind batches of fry slowly dying out over many months.?

I simply put a group of adults together and let them find a mate. Yes I have culled adult fish in the past that should have been culled before sale in my opinion?

I am not currently at home and don’t have up to date photos of the males and females that have breed these weak offspring.
A very old photo that is of course a slightly better looking fish from some of the groups I have brought.
Naturally I don’t have pictures of fish with limited fins.
Sorry I never had pictures of the culls with sunken heads .


A snapshot from a few months ago of some of the juveniles that all passed except a small handful.

 

[jmaldo]

Even after raising 100's I still have been fooled. Feohw really has the eye for gender id. Here is a pic of my pair from the past, may need to give them a shot again if Gudgie has some in the springtime.


And a pic of one of the broods

 

[Gudgie]

I’m just raising my first batch, but I’ve always been terrible at sexing this species, at least until they’re fully mature when it gets slightly easier. The only trait that’s been a dead giveaway for me is the breeding tube on females.

(sorry, about to get off topic…)
jmaldo - was it your Bolivians that coralbandit got and bred? I still have a big gorgeous male that I got from him two years ago, wondering if it’s a continuation from your old breeding pair. He’s not in the pair that just spawned for me, but I’m tempted to move him and a female out of the community tank to try breeding him too. We shall see when tank space allows. In the meantime, you still have dibs on my current batch if you want them when the time comes. Still a long way to go though!

 

[jmaldo]

I suppose it's a possibility. That would be amazing to get a descendant from my original pair back from you after all this time.
Fingers-crossed and Good Luck!