Need Help With Ich Please!

[Momgoose56]

I think it’s way too small for two oscars, he has an 80g tank right? Some sites may say that’s ok but when they get full size it’s just not enough room.

Read the list of fish in the tank above.

 

[Nikki2577]

Read the list of fish in the tank above.

Yea no way 30 gallon per Oscar! Sorry but that reference is no good.

 

[moiz4got]

Yea no way 30 gallon per Oscar! Sorry but that reference is no good.

Guys I not worried to make a bigger tank in a few months time.. Right now my main intensions is not to lose any of my fishes.

And I have made an iron stand which I s of size 60inch length and 18inch wide so can't change that.. Only thing I can do is later increase the height of the tank or does anyone have any idea of adding an open bottom tank to this existing tank.. Do you think that would help?

 

[Nikki2577]

Guys I not worried to make a bigger tank in a few months time.. Right now my main intensions is not to lose any of my fishes.

And I have made an iron stand which I s of size 60inch length and 18inch wide so can't change that.. Only thing I can do is later increase the height of the tank or does anyone have any idea of adding an open bottom tank to this existing tank.. Do you think that would help?

I think we all understand your not worried about a bigger tank right now but to fix your problem with your fish getting sick is to either reduce your stock by a lot or get a bigger tank. You will continue to have problems.

I can’t give you any advice on making a tank taller or adding a tank to the one you have, the only thing a taller tank would do for you would help dilute the waste, not really give the fish more space because a lot of your fish swim in the same areas of the tank.

How are your fish today?

 

[Momgoose56]

There is no ich visible at the moment. But they have just other problems. The oscar is eating now and also moving in the tank, but the arowanas are not eating today.. so I guess I will be removing the silver dollars all of them tomorrow to start with it.

@momgoose54
My wife and kids don't want to give away the AROWANA , OSCAR and PARROT so I am really confused now how to solve this..

Yea no way 30 gallon per Oscar! Sorry but that reference is no good.

What reference!? I'm telling you to read the list of fish already in the OP'S tank. The tank is 80 gallons, not 60 anyway. 2 or 6 oscars -in that tank by themselves would be a vast improvement over what's in there right now!

Guys I not worried to make a bigger tank in a few months time.. Right now my main intensions is not to lose any of my fishes.

And I have made an iron stand which I s of size 60inch length and 18inch wide so can't change that.. Only thing I can do is later increase the height of the tank or does anyone have any idea of adding an open bottom tank to this existing tank.. Do you think that would help?

No. That won't help.

 

[Nikki2577]

What reference!? I'm telling you to read the list of fish already in the OP'S tank. The tank is 80 gallons, not 60 anyway. 2 or 6 oscars -in that tank by themselves would be a vast improvement over what's in there right now!

Yes I know what’s in the tank and yes you are right 2 oscars would be a huge improvement from what’s in there now. I know it’s 80g not sure if I wrote 60 gallonbut I know what it is. I was just saying that 2 oscars in a 80 is no good either. Might as well get it stocked right if they are able too.

The reference I was referring to was the one you posted saying that one Oscar needs 30 gallon and I was just disagreeing with that. Not that you said that was enough for an Oscar but the link stated it was.

Either way your right anything removed will help the fish out.

 

[Momgoose56]

Yes I know what’s in the tank and yes you are right 2 oscars would be a huge improvement from what’s in there now. I know it’s 80g not sure if I wrote 60 gallonbut I know what it is. I was just saying that 2 oscars in a 80 is no good either. Might as well get it stocked right if they are able too.

The reference I was referring to was the one you posted saying that one Oscar needs 30 gallon and I was just disagreeing with that. Not that you said that was enough for an Oscar but the link stated it was.

Either way your right anything removed will help the fish out.

Yeah, it says 30, then 2 sentences later it says a minimum of 40 gallons so not the greatest resource link...

But did you initial see Ich-spots on the fish?

@ DoubleDutch, You could see some random spots on the original photos posted, but right now, because the OP is unwilling to rehome any of the fish in the tank, give any back to the lfs, or even get another tank, I don't see any other advice of any kind helping these fish and ich would be the least of their problems. Personally moiz4got I think even daily 100% water changes won't help those fish with that overcrowding and horrible mishmash of species. I have no idea what species the 5 or 6 "algae suckers" are in that tank and am afraid to ask at this point.

 

[moiz4got]

Yeah, it says 30, then 2 sentences later it says a minimum of 40 gallons so not the greatest resource link...


@ DoubleDutch, You could see some random spots on the original photos posted, but right now, because the OP is unwilling to rehome any of the fish in the tank, give any back to the lfs, or even get another tank, I don't see any other advice of any kind helping these fish and ich would be the least of their problems. Personally moiz4got I think even daily 100% water changes won't help those fish with that overcrowding and horrible mishmash of species. I have no idea what species the 5 or 6 "algae suckers" are in that tank and am afraid to ask at this point.

@momgoose I really appreciate you advice and I am tryny to either Return the silver dollar to the lfs or find a new home for them as I am not sure if my lfs would take it back. This is a, huge problem in India people really don't want to take sold goods back.

My fishes are doing OK right now.. All are swimming better now but the RTG arowana has stopped eating from yesterday.

 

[A201]

If this is truely a legitimate situation, the OP has the most overstocked and the most inappropriate mix of fish I have ever read about.
There is absolutely no scenario where this works.
I suggest the OP research every individual species of fish
in the tank and come to his own conclusions regarding appropriate stocking levels. If he fails to see the problem, no amount of advice will help.

 

[nikm128]

moiz4got I know you really don't want to get rid of anything, but unless you plan on a tank that holds a few hundred gallons of water there's no other option. You also shouldn't worry about your fish dying either because it is incredibly rare to have ich kill fish. The arowana will definitely need to go since it gets huge, but the rest are perfectly compatible with your size tank, just not all at the same time.

 

[moiz4got]

moiz4got I know you really don't want to get rid of anything, but unless you plan on a tank that holds a few hundred gallons of water there's no other option. You also shouldn't worry about your fish dying either because it is incredibly rare to have ich kill fish. The arowana will definitely need to go since it gets huge, but the rest are perfectly compatible with your size tank, just not all at the same time.

Thank you for your suggestion. I really am not being rigid but I was just trying to find a solution to keep the fishes as well as my family happy at the same time. but I don't think that is going to work to either, so to start with I am going to give away the silver dollar today itself as well as try to find a new home for the aorwana. Can I atleast keep one of them the RTG as I was not able to find it in mumbaI so I had to order it and get it from bangkok and I cannot return that. If I go to give it to anyone else I will have to either give it for free or then would not get the price or a good place for it too..

@momgoose, I have the Albino algae eater fish in the tank but very small size.





It looks like the picture attached almost.

 

[nikm128]

I would give the RTG a maybe, they only grow up to 2 feet, and lots of people keep fish of that size. It would maybe be just OK for a little bit in your current tank, but there's no doubt that it would also need a bigger tank in the future. If you can build a tank yourself that would be pretty good since you can make all the dimensions how you want them, just make sure it's at least 24 inches wide or more. If that's not possible, the smallest tank you could get is 180 gallons or ~600 liters being 24" wide. In my opinion a bigger tank would be cheaper than the amount of money you would lose if you have to get rid of that RTG you want to hang on to so if you need a good incentive I would consider that one a little bit.

 

[moiz4got]

I would give the RTG a maybe, they only grow up to 2 feet, and lots of people keep fish of that size. It would maybe be just OK for a little bit in your current tank, but there's no doubt that it would also need a bigger tank in the future. If you can build a tank yourself that would be pretty good since you can make all the dimensions how you want them, just make sure it's at least 24 inches wide or more. If that's not possible, the smallest tank you could get is 180 gallons or ~600 liters being 24" wide. In my opinion a bigger tank would be cheaper than the amount of money you would lose if you have to get rid of that RTG you want to hang on to so if you need a good incentive I would consider that one a little bit.

Making a big tank is not an issue as I have my own glass business and this tank was made in my workshop itself. I made this tank from 12mm ULTRA CLEAR GLASS. The problem is the stand which is down is made as per the size and now its been converted into a wardrobe covered with wood from all sized. So if I get it bigger tank can I keep it on the stand size 60inch length x 18in wide

Pl help me on this to take a quicker decision. Attaching the pic of my tank. I customized it completely after getting the tank ready and installed on the iron stand.

 

[nikm128]

That's great! Unfortunately it's not quite that simple, making the tank taller won't do much for the amount of fish you can put in it. However, would you be able to extend the wardrobe stand in length and/or width? It doesn't have to be perfect, but as long as you can find something the same level with the current stand there are ways to make it work and still look good. For instance, those fake drawers that used to be popular in kitchens and bathrooms? Well you could use a little bit of wood to extend the wardrobe for a bigger tank, then make it look like it was there the whole time.

 

[moiz4got]

That's great! Unfortunately it's not quite that simple, making the tank taller won't do much for the amount of fish you can put in it. However, would you be able to extend the wardrobe stand in length and/or width? It doesn't have to be perfect, but as long as you can find something the same level with the current stand there are ways to make it work and still look good. For instance, those fake drawers that used to be popular in kitchens and bathrooms? Well you could use a little bit of wood to extend the wardrobe for a bigger tank, then make it look like it was there the whole time.

Let me give it a shot. I will ask my fabricator if he can help me to do some extension in the backside of the stand so that the width can be extended to 24 or 30 max. I will keep you posted on the same and update you with it if there is something workable so then I will only have to change the bottom and the small size glass in this tank to assemble a wider tank.

I hope this works. Thanks for the idea and encouragement for the same.

 

[Nikki2577]

Let me give it a shot. I will ask my fabricator if he can help me to do some extension in the backside of the stand so that the width can be extended to 24 or 30 max. I will keep you posted on the same and update you with it if there is something workable so then I will only have to change the bottom and the small size glass in this tank to assemble a wider tank.

I hope this works. Thanks for the idea and encouragement for the same.

I am so happy you are giving this a shot! I hope it all works out for you

 

[moiz4got]

OK guys just for the update.

The tank looks much better today and the parrots are normal now.. their black strip has also gone. Just for the info their problem was very serious so I approached my dog vet, he suggested me to put TERRAMYCINE 2 capsules in the tank. So I did this last evening and now the fishes are much better after 24 hours. The oscars are perfectly fine now too and moving and their infections is also become very very less.

My LFS is going to come and take back the SILVER DOLLARS Tomorrow.

 

[nikm128]

Awesome! I'm so glad you're willing to put in extra work to make your fish happy!

 

[A201]

Have you ever considered keeping an all male African Cichlid set-up. A community of Aulonocara- (Peacocks) & smaller (Haps) could be kept for their entire life in your tank. No need to upgrade the tank size. All that would be needed is more rocks. The Africans are very hardy & disease resistant. In addition they are very colorful & active. Most only grow to 4 - 9 inches.
Browse the Monster Fishkeeper forum for more information concerning Arowanas. That site specializes in keeping XL & extra aggressive fish.
Be sure to ask your LFS representative about African Cichlids. Here's a pic of my African tank.
Good luck with your tank. I hope things get better soon.

 

[moiz4got]

Have you ever considered keeping an all male African Cichlid set-up. A community of Aulonocara- (Peacocks) & smaller (Haps) could be kept for their entire life in your tank. No need to upgrade the tank size. All that would be needed is more rocks. The Africans are very hardy & disease resistant. In addition they are very colorful & active. Most only grow to 4 - 9 inches.
Browse the Monster Fishkeeper forum for more information concerning Arowanas. That site specializes in keeping XL & extra aggressive fish.
Be sure to ask your LFS representative about African Cichlids. Here's a pic of my African tank.
Good luck with your tank. I hope things get better soon. View attachment 585379

Thank you for your advice. The complete reason of installing a tank in the first place was because of Arowana. My wife was very very keen on keeping 2 red chill or RTG as I could source it locally so I decided to get RTG and silver as they can stay together.

The parrots and Oscar were the lfs advice along with my some dumb research and my kids just love these fishes so I kept all of them.

Now my family loves all of them and have just agreed to part the dollars for the start.

I am really considering to work a way out to make this tank atleast an 100+ G to keep everyone happy the fish and my family. I just hope I can succeed in doing so or finally I would take @momgooses and niks advise to just let one arowana and few parrots and let all the rest go to a new home.

 

[Nikki2577]

When I click the links nothing comes up, does it work for you? Was just curious what the links are.

 

[Momgoose56]

When I click the links nothing comes up, does it work for you? Was just curious what the links are.

Arrrrgh. Sorry, they are links to building aquarium stands. They are available on youtube. I guess I have no clue how to attach you tube links.

 

[Nikki2577]

Arrrrgh. Sorry, they are links to building aquarium stands. They are available on youtube. I guess I have no clue how to attach you tube links.

Lol I don’t either. Yea it would be easy for OP to build a stand and it doesn’t have to be metal like the one he made for this tank.

 

[moiz4got]

Arrrrgh. Sorry, they are links to building aquarium stands. They are available on youtube. I guess I have no clue how to attach you tube links.

To attach a video to your post just select the icon next to the photo and then paste your embedded video link there..

Lol I don’t either. Yea it would be easy for OP to build a stand and it doesn’t have to be metal like the one he made for this tank.

I will surely be look for more ideas but I already have a metal stand and first choice would be expanding it as it would be the cheapest option or will have to make a new one from scratch.. Most lmportantly is convincing Wifey darling to accept my change of plans.. LOL.!!

 

[Nikki2577]

To attach a video to your post just select the icon next to the photo and then paste your embedded video link there..


I will surely be look for more ideas but I already have a metal stand and first choice would be expanding it as it would be the cheapest option or will have to make a new one from scratch.. Most lmportantly is convincing Wifey darling to accept my change of plans.. LOL.!!

LOL well tell her if she wants to keep her favorite fish alive you will have to make it bigger. Maybe show her this thread so she will believe it’s very important to have them in a larger tank.

 

[moiz4got]

LOL well tell her if she wants to keep her favorite fish alive you will have to make it bigger. Maybe show her this thread so she will believe it’s very important to have them in a larger tank.

Hey,

Thanks for your advice buddy. I am afraid she would not mind giving my space in the house to the fishes at least they will not keep troubling her like me... LOL !!! Showing her this forum .. that mistake I cannot make as surely then she will not have any need for me, so that puts me in a much terrible situation.. Hahaha

Jokes apart I am trying to convince her to allow me to do another modification with least hassle to her and her daily house work routines as the trouble she has to go to reset things up after all the mess is made while the work does on in the house. I am quite sure she cannot resist my charm..

Here's a video I took last night.. This is for YOU'LL specially.. Thanks, but yes I will surely keep up to my side of the bargain and make the tank bigger or get them a new home as committed.

No Black marks on the parrot, Oscars are doing just great. Dollars all packed up this morning to be delivered back to their LFS community tank LOL!!

 

[RHONDA PIMENTEL]

I've been trying so hard not to jump in here, uhg. Please, please listen to momgoose56. Please at least get a big hospital tank for future also. Your poor Oscars aren't going to be able to recover because of the stress of so many other fish in tank. All your fish could easily have a tank of their own species. There are just way too many crammed in. I'm sorry to be so blunt but, I want for you to do well in this hobby and enjoy your beautiful fish. I would start rehoming fish and acquire a couple more larger tanks, if you're insistent on keeping them all. Good luck and kudos for seeking out info for help.

 

[moiz4got]

I've been trying so hard not to jump in here, uhg. Please, please listen to momgoose56. Please at least get a big hospital tank for future also. Your poor Oscars aren't going to be able to recover because of the stress of so many other fish in tank. All your fish could easily have a tank of their own species. There are just way too many crammed in. I'm sorry to be so blunt but, I want for you to do well in this hobby and enjoy your beautiful fish. I would start rehoming fish and acquire a couple more larger tanks, if you're insistent on keeping them all. Good luck and kudos for seeking out info for help.

Thanks and I am surely going to do this but I need some time on this.. I have already removed the 24 dollars from the tank .. Now I am just working with my fabricator to convert this bottom stand into a 30inch wide so I can convert the tank from 85G to 100+G. I think I will just discard this tank and make a bigger one.

I am thinking of size : 60inch x 30inch x 24inch. I think this should atleast be decent for for the ARO's and the parrots.. will think out something for the oscar in a while. meanwhile will try to also keep this one (but not sure as of now thou)

 

[moiz4got]

Guys just to update you'll

I have given away
Silver Dollar - 20 nos
clown Loach - 3 nos.

Now still left with others, will soon come up with a plan ..