Multiple male dwarf cichlids?

[Fish4848]

i have a 29 gallon planted tank with a pair of apistogramma panduro. other stocking is in aquarium details. i was wondering if it would be ok to put either a pair of rams or a pair of a different apisto species in the tank.

 

[veggieshark]

Your title says multiple males, but your post says pairs. Hybridization could be a concern with multiple pairs of different Apisto species.

 

[MonsterGar]

Only add more apistos if they are the same species. I also wouldn't add any more males. I'd say 50 gallons is when you can add another male. Anything smaller than that you can have 1 male and a few females. Although females can be aggressive towards each other too. So if you want more, only add 1 or 2 more females. Males typically have a harem of a few females in the wild anyways.

 

[jake37]

german blue rams are not temp compatible with panduro. bolivian ram male might work. --
I think only apistogramma in the same group can cross fertilize but i might be mistaken. In theory you could throw in a male cockatoo (for example) and not have any issue but ii wouldn't recommend a male nijsseni.
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Whatever you do you have to stay small after all a 29 is a small tank.

 

[DoubleDutch]

But is a 29G big enough for two territories ?

 

[Fish4848]

Your title says multiple males, but your post says pairs. Hybridization could be a concern with multiple pairs of different Apisto species.

within the pairs would be 1 male and 1 female so there would be multiple males if there was more than 1 pair. i’m not as concerned about female fighting because that are more laid back.

german blue rams are not temp compatible with panduro. bolivian ram male might work. --
I think only apistogramma in the same group can cross fertilize but i might be mistaken. In theory you could throw in a male cockatoo (for example) and not have any issue but ii wouldn't recommend a male nijsseni.
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Whatever you do you have to stay small after all a 29 is a small tank.

everything on google says that they’re temp compatible with rams, my tank is at 82 right now

But is a 29G big enough for two territories ?

that’s one of the things i was wondering

 

[MonsterGar]

that’s one of the things i was wondering

I think a 29 gallon is big enough for 2 territories as long as it is heavily planted and decorated.

 

[jake37]

I think with proper landscaping it could be done but if he puts in a single (for example) bolivan male then only a single territory would be necessary for the pair of fishes he has - right?
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Of course unless he is lowering the ph and tds the chances of fry from panduro is near 0 ?

But is a 29G big enough for two territories ?

 

[DoubleDutch]

I don't really get the use if adding a single male.

 

[jake37]

While 82 occasionally for panduro is fine i would think long term it would be unhealthy and they should be kept at least some of the time closer to 77.
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For a while (2 months?) I had 3 gold rams (all males) with my pair of nijsseni and there were no conflicts. The female nijsseni did establish an area the rams were not allowed but beyond that the interaction was pretty passive. I had them at 79 but then ended up moving the rams out and lowered the tank to 77.

everything on google says that they’re temp compatible with rams, my tank is at 82 right now

 

[Fish4848]

I think with proper landscaping it could be done but if he puts in a single (for example) bolivan male then only a single territory would be necessary for the pair of fishes he has - right?
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Of course unless he is lowering the ph and tds the chances of fry from panduro is near 0 ?

my pair of panduro are tank bred and have shown some breeding habitats but the male is uninterested. i think they have a higher ph tolerance being tank bred.

I don't really get the use if adding a single male.

i’d add a pair of a different species if i could but i dont know if i should

 

[jake37]

The fishes themselves might be tolerant but my limited understanding is fishes in the nijsseni-complex require low ph (5.5-6.0) for eggs to be fertilized. Of course i might be mistaken as i am around 90% of the time.

i think they have a higher ph tolerance being tank bred.

 

[DoubleDutch]

my pair of panduro are tank bred and have shown some breeding habitats but the male is uninterested. i think they have a higher ph tolerance being tank bred.

i’d add a pair of a different species if i could but i dont know if i should

Then my initial question comes up again : is a 29G big enough to establish two territories. I don't know but experts wil know. Where is a dwarf cichlid guru if you need one?

 

[jake37]

Isn't that you ?

Then my initial question comes up again : is a 29G big enough to establish two territories. I don't know but experts wil know. Where is a dwarf cichlid guru if you need one?

 

[DoubleDutch]

Isn't that you ?

Hahaha definitely not.

 

[Fish4848]

i may just end up adding another female and maybe they breed, but i doubt it.

 

[jake37]

As i said above unless you condition the water just right the chances of the eggs hatching are almost less than 0 for panduro. Of course i could be mistaken as i frequently have no clue what i am saying

i may just end up adding another female and maybe they breed, but i doubt it.