Lethargic Betta

Ahh well I think your problem stems from changing the cartridge. I when you replace the cartridge you remove a good portion of your beneficial bacteria. I hardly ever change media unless it’s falling apart. Just rinse it in tank water and put it back. The only reason filter packages say to replace media is so you always have active carbon, something that isn’t really needed IMO.

Yes, do 50% water changes till things level put again.
 

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Also, a 'clean' tank should smell earthy. Not sure what the odor coming from the cartridge was, but ammonia or rotting food stuck in the cartridge can cause a bad odor and degrade water conditions.

This is my suggestion. You should be able to tell when it's time to rinse the cartridge amid not have to rely on the filter indicator. You can rinse it in a bucket of old tank water at every water change if you want to. It's important to keep detritus to a minimum so that water isn't flowing thru a dirty cartridge. When my floss or sponges are falling apart, I replace them, but my mechanical and bio filtration, I never change. I only rinse it in old tank water.

That and be sure not to overfeed. I'm not saying that you are, but excess uneaten food causes a lot of problems. Just make sure your betta is eating what you offer and remove uneaten food by siphoning at water change time or using a baster to suck it out. He should have his fill in a few minutes at each feeding. It's also beneficial for their digestive systems to fast them once a week. He will eat when he's feeling better, he's just telling you something is off by refusing his meals. Get those params dealt with and i'm sure he'll come around. You don't have to force feed, he'll be ok for a few days without eating.
 

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Also, a 'clean' tank should smell earthy. Not sure what the odor coming from the cartridge was, but ammonia or rotting food stuck in the cartridge can cause a bad odor and degrade water conditions.

This is my suggestion. You should be able to tell when it's time to rinse the cartridge amid not have to rely on the filter indicator. You can rinse it in a bucket of old tank water at every water change if you want to. It's important to keep detritus to a minimum so that water isn't flowing thru a dirty cartridge. When my floss or sponges are falling apart, I replace them, but my mechanical and bio filtration, I never change. I only rinse it in old tank water.

That and be sure not to overfeed. I'm not saying that you are, but excess uneaten food causes a lot of problems. Just make sure your betta is eating what you offer and remove uneaten food by siphoning at water change time or using a baster to suck it out. He should have his fill in a few minutes at each feeding. It's also beneficial for their digestive systems to fast them once a week. He will eat when he's feeling better, he's just telling you something is off by refusing his meals. Get those params dealt with and i'm sure he'll come around. You don't have to force feed, he'll be ok for a few days without eating.

it didn’t smell earthy. my other betta tank smells earthy. sterling’s tank smelled like something with rotting and it was accumulating in his filter cartridge. that’s another reason I changed it.

they do fast on sundays. for the most part I never have left over food. I feed them one at a time and the most they both ever eat is 2-3.

I will be replacing both their filters. right now they have a topfin one, which isn’t the best.
 
Ahh well I think your problem stems from changing the cartridge. I when you replace the cartridge you remove a good portion of your beneficial bacteria. I hardly ever change media unless it’s falling apart. Just rinse it in tank water and put it back. The only reason filter packages say to replace media is so you always have active carbon, something that isn’t really needed IMO.

Yes, do 50% water changes till things level put again.

thank you so much! I replaced it because it smelled like rotting food. oddly enough it was just his tank. I plan on replacing their filters anyways because the topfin one isn’t the best. if you never replace them unless they are falling apart, what should I do when they are visibly filthy? is it okay to rinse it. I get a lot of algae on the cartridges. and will these 50% water changes stress them out?
 
For one betta, I think that filter is fine. Provided you can keep the tank clean of excess organic matter with manual maintenance. I think the filter has the bio ability to process his waste, as long as it has enough bio media to grow BB. If you do change filters, move as much media that fits from the old filter into the new filter, so you don't lose all that nitrifying bacteria you are trying to grow.

Sounds like you are feeding them perfectly Don't worry, I really think he'll eat when conditions and parameters improve.
Good luck!
 
For one betta, I think that filter is fine. Provided you can keep the tank clean of excess organic matter with manual maintenance. I think the filter has the bio ability to process his waste, as long as it has enough bio media to grow BB. If you do change filters, move as much media that fits from the old filter into the new filter, so you don't lose all that nitrifying bacteria you are trying to grow.

Sounds like you are feeding them perfectly Don't worry, I really think he'll eat when conditions and parameters improve.
Good luck!

thank you so much for your advice. unfortunately sterling passed this morning.
 

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thank you so much for your advice. unfortunately sterling passed this morning.
Oh no, i'm so sorry. Guess it must have been a secondary bacterial issue. SIP little betta
 
hey all! My Betta has been just flopping himself around, resting in corners, on the ground tucked away, for about three days now, which doesn’t sound like much but it’s completely out of character for him. I’ll just describe the tank and the other stock of the tank and include some pictures and hopefully get some help

It is a 20 gallon tank filtered and heated at 76° and has been established and running for about nine months. I have three ghost shrimp, a nerite snail and a small school of HarleyQuinn rasboras.
I change the water about every two weeks and usually do 25% and usually I vacuum the substrate but not always as it doesn’t always need it

The tank was cycled for about a month before I moved everyone in and I use the API liquid testing kit
PH:
Ammonia:
Nitrate:
Nitrite:

He was eating fine but now he’s not close enough to the food to see it or active enough to go and chase after it to eat it. I feed him occasional blood worms and regularly tropical pellets.

I’ve had this betta for over a year and I haven’t treated him for anything for this current illness and his appearance is about the same he just seems way more lethargic and he has no interest in swimming about or doing anything.
I will update with Pictures and Test results when I am home, but any advice before then Is also helpful
 
I would raise the temperature to 78 at the least, preferably 80-82, any cooler than this can cause bettas to become lethargic and open them to problems in the future, such as diseases.

I agree, we definitely need to know the parameters.
 

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Knowing the ammonia nitrate levels would help, at very least do a water change to see if that helps
Ammonia : 0
Nitrate : 0-0.25
Nitrite : 0
PH: 8.3


and he has developed a White spot on one side of his gills, nothing new has been added in a significant amount of time. His Gil’s seem to be puffed out a lot more than usual.
 

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I would raise the temperature to 78 at the least, preferably 80-82, any cooler than this can cause bettas to become lethargic and open them to problems in the future, such as diseases.

I agree, we definitely need to know the parameters.
I updated with the parameters and an update in his condition
 
HI everyone!! If you could help with my sick Betta, I would so grateful!

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What is the water volume of the tank? 10g
How long has the tank been running? Fall 2018
Does it have a filter? Yes, modified Aqueon
Does it have a heater? Yes
What is the water temperature? 78-80
What is the entire stocking of this tank? (Please list all fish and inverts.) one female Betta, handful of ramshorns

Maintenance
How often do you change the water? Weekly
How much of the water do you change? 50%
What do you use to treat your water? I have well water, but still treat with Prime
Do you vacuum the substrate or just the water? Vacuum substrate

*Parameters - Very Important
Did you cycle your tank before adding fish? No, but that was over a year ago
What do you use to test the water? API master test kit
What are your parameters? We need to know the exact numbers, not just “fine” or “safe”.

Ammonia:0.25 (always is on all my tanks...seachem alert on 2 of my other tanks read 0...don’t have one on this tank)
Nitrite: 0
Nitrate:5
pH:8.2

Feeding
How often do you feed your fish? 1-2x daily, 6 days a week, one fasting day
How much do you feed your fish? 2 pre-soaked omega one pellets a.m. , small bit of bug bites p.m., with one -two of those feedings thawed frozen brine shrimp instead
What brand of food do you feed your fish? Omega one, Nutrafin
Do you feed frozen or freeze-dried foods? Frozen as treats

Illness & Symptoms
How long have you had this fish? Adopted Aug 2018-14 months ago, previous family had her 6 months, not sure how old she was they first got her
How long ago did you first notice these symptoms? Wednesday-4 days ago
In a few words, can you explain the symptoms? Seems weak, trouble swimming, hiding, clamped fins, hanging out at the top of the tank quietly.
Have you started any treatment for the illness? Fasted Friday, Saturday. Water change today again (last one Wednesday), added large IAL
Was your fish physically ill or injured upon purchase? No
How has its behavior and appearance changed, if at all?see above, no pineconing, no areas of obvious damage, doesn’t appear bloated. Looking down into tank, body appears different shape than normal? hard to describe. twists body, but can straighten. Mostly just stays quietly near surface, but can swim very fast when startled. Normally would greet anyone near the tank, does not swim over anymore.

Explain your emergency situation in detail. (Please give a clear explanation of what is going on, include details from the beginning of the illness leading up to now)

This fish is my 11-year old son’s fish. I feed her if he doesn’t get a chance, but mostly he does it. He always soaks food- pellets (two only) or bug bites -prior to feeding. If the tank light goes off before she is fed, sometimes she won’t get her night time feeding...between 1-3 times weekly this may happen.
Wednesday I did her regular 50% water change, and noticed after I restarted her filter, she didn’t like the water flow, it seemed to blow her around, this normally doesn’t happen. I had taken out some of the water lettuce though, so then I moved it around, and put some under the filter to buffer the flow. My son fed her Wednesday pm and Thursday am.

I went to feed her Thursday pm and she took a long time to notice me and want to come over for food. She was hanging out behind the filter, which she never does. She eventually came over and ate, but seemed to look like she could not swim down. She was staying at the top of the tank.

No food offered all day Friday, Saturday. She either hangs listlessly, barely moving at the top of the tank in the water lettuce roots, or darts quickly to another spot in the tank. She is not rubbing on anything. She is maybe more alert than Thursday, but barely. She is very difficult to photograph as she is dark blue and the substrate, and the background of the tank is dark. I tried to video her from the top of the tank and her head looks very strange...skinny maybe? The area right in front her gills maybe looks square and rest of her body skinny??

Then I started to worry we were underfeeding her and she is weak, so I fed her thawed frozen bbs this morning and tonight, which she ate when I brought them to her.
I changed 50% of her water today and added an IAL.

I am not sure what to do at this point...feed her normally because she is weak??
Fast longer because it’s swim bladder?
If it’s just a swim bladder issue do they hide and act lethargic?
I changed 50% in another Betta tank the same day and that one is fine.

Thank you for reading this far!! Any help you could give would be wonderful!!

Here are two videos of her swimming...


And a picture of her tank

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Strange, on the first video he seems to be swimming using just her pectorals, not moving the tail at all. That would doubtlessly cost a lot of energy. In the second video indeed his caudal region is curled weirdly. Though I have also seen other, healthy bettas who do something similar and it does not seem to bother them.
Either way it seems to be some kind of problem with the tail... Based on your info he is between 2,5 and 3 years old, possibly older. Hm. Could be age-related maybe?

Since he has trouble swimming I would lower the water level in the tank to about half (or as low as the filter allows) so he has an easier time getting to the surface for air.
I wish I had some better ideas for you, but I don't unfortunately. You could try putting some tannins in his water, bettas tend to like/relax with that and it can help mildly with bacterial problems. If he were mine, I would dose the tank with esha 2000, not sure if you have access to that, but I tend to do that when my bettas seem vaguely unwell and I can't pinpoint a source, sometimes it makes the problem go away.

Hope someone comes along with better ideas!
 
Thank you PascalKrypt ! I didn’t realize until I rewatched her in the video, that she is not moving her tail at all, you are right!!

I didn’t drop the water level, I find that her filter creates pretty turbulent water when the water level is even more than 1/2” below the output. She actually stays at the surface fine, it’s going down that she has an issue with. She has been using her large IAL as a hammock since it was floating horizontal at the surface of the water for days. It has dropped now, but she has a floating Betta log, and I have added a Betta hammock as well.

I have been feeding her normally twice daily and she is eating what is offered. Monday when I went to feed her, she actually came swimming over to me! She was using her tail, not completely normal, but much improved from last week. This morning she could swim down half the height of the tank to catch missed food. Could an injury cause this? A injured muscle somehow? Her fins are still clamped, but she’s not getting worse .

I don’t have access to Esha 2000, unfortunately

Thank you for your help!
 
Let's hope that she stays on the mend! Though it seems to be a motor issue, I doubt it is an external injury. Muscle problems.. maybe. I would have said neurological to be a better contender but if she is getting better, who knows. Just keep her pampered since it seems to be working

I have a betta that also has a tendency to curl her tail like that, but it is only when she is inspecting the tank wall and she shows no abnormalities in movement, behaviour, growth, personality, etc. I always assumed it was just a little quirk, like people who intertwine their fingers when they are talking. Maybe it is related to some sort of motor trait after all.
 
Hello,

So, my betta fish - around 1.5 - 2 years old - who I've had for at least a year, is on its way out.

Before isolation, I was working part-time in an aquatics store, where I bought the betta. I like to think I'm pretty well acquainted with the fish keeping hobby, but I am struggling with reasons why this betta is dying? I am very attached to him

I noticed he was acting a bit odd yesterday, sitting in some odd places, but still somewhat active and the last feeding he was eating well.

Tonight, I noticed he was laying on his side at the bottom of the tank, breathing fine, but completely unresponsive to me being near the tank. I moved him into a smaller quarantine tank with only a few shrimps in it. I know it has lower pH and nitrates, the temperature is the same.

The little quarantine tank has a pH of around 7 and nitrates are 20.

The larger tank (he was from, which also has a lot of breeding shrimp, pencil fish, and some other docile species - also HEAVILY planted. I haven't done a water change long before I got this fish - the tank is around 4 years old, and the plants and top-ups seem top keep nitrates below 40) is reading at 40 nitrates, 7.5 pH.

I would like to add that while these stats are high, this is the average for the areas drinking water. In the betta tank at work (where I originally bought him) the levels were the same. We also have very hard water. I do try to soften this with bod wood.

I can't believe this was a water quality problem, even though the levels are high, they have stayed consistent for years and proved no problems before. Maybe an infection?

He's looking a bit pale, some almost unnoticeable darker patches near one of his gills, maybe a little swollen. I have put in some melafix.

I would really appreciate any guesses at what this could be. Unfortunately I don't think there is much time left for him, but I want to put a finger of what is going on. This happened in 48 hours!

Thank You
- Ellie
 
Is it possible that it's something related to old age? Maybe something in his organs or something?
 
Is it possible that it's something related to old age? Maybe something in his organs or something?

Maybe. I do feel he is quite young but they are certainly flimsy breeds. They can be a bit inbred too, so maybe this is why. Thank you, I didn't really think about that tbh
 

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Can you post a picture? His symptoms are all pointing towards nitrate poisoning.
 
Hi, in the last few days he started to show lethargic behavior. he comes to eat but he sits alot during the day, he never did this befor. He is in a 50L with filter and a heater.
water P are 0,0,5 , he is alone there. he also has a bit of rigged fins
we moved a few days ago and it started after that,s it might be beacuase of that but im worried beacuse it dosent get better for a few days
What do you reccomend to do? should i start a treatment?
 
High levels of Ammonia, nitrite and Nitrate can make your betta lethargic. Its also possible that he is not getting enough oxygen in the water. One of my bettas really perked up when I added an aerator. As for the rigid fins it may be fin rot or he may have gotten his fins cought on something.
 
I would make sure your water parameters are good and that the temperature is good. The API liquid test is what I recommend, just in case you don’t already have it. He might have finrot which could make him feel a little lethargic if it’s bad enough. He also might be very stressed, so I wouldn’t do too much because you don’t want to stress him anymore.
 
I have not checked in this site in quite some time. We reached a good place, with a happy Betta, Perry, and no presenting health problems. Water conditions, with changes and testing, are within desired ranges and zero ammonia. Recently, I have been concerned with the behavior of our Betta. He is far from energetic these days. He spends most of his time simply lying around on his Betta leaf, or the gravel bottom, or in his tube cave. His apatite is healthy, and he eats a wide variety of foods, including bug bites. pellets, freeze dried, and frozen. He looks like he is sleeping most of the time. Does this sound familiar?
 

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How long have you had him? I would just keep the water very clean, add some almond leaves if you don't have them (bettas just really like them and it can destress them) and watch him carefully. I really don't like to medicate or add salt unless something is visibly wrong (torn fins, etc), but maybe someone else will have a better answer for you. I also noticed in your aquarium details it said nitrate was 80 ppm- is that correct or a typo?
 
How long have you had him? I would just keep the water very clean, add some almond leaves if you don't have them (bettas just really like them and it can destress them) and watch him carefully. I really don't like to medicate or add salt unless something is visibly wrong (torn fins, etc), but maybe someone else will have a better answer for you. I also noticed in your aquarium details it said nitrate was 80 ppm- is that correct or a typo?

Thanks for your quick reply, and insight. I think I will try the almond leaves; plenty of folks do. I will check on the nitrite level. I have a history of misreading this, vs. nitrate, on my testing strips. I appreciate the heads up.
 
If your readings are indeed 80 ppm of nitrate then that is likely the cause of your betta's symptoms.
 
I have not checked in this site in quite some time. We reached a good place, with a happy Betta, Perry, and no presenting health problems. Water conditions, with changes and testing, are within desired ranges and zero ammonia. Recently, I have been concerned with the behavior of our Betta. He is far from energetic these days. He spends most of his time simply lying around on his Betta leaf, or the gravel bottom, or in his tube cave. His apatite is healthy, and he eats a wide variety of foods, including bug bites. pellets, freeze dried, and frozen. He looks like he is sleeping most of the time. Does this sound familiar?
Are using touch trips as I know those can be not as accurate as a kit so could be the water parameters and you just don’t know it maybe
 
Are using touch trips as I know those can be not as accurate as a kit so could be the water parameters and you just don’t know it maybe

Thank you, Alwaysbina. I performed a 50% water change, and retested the water, (with touch strips) twice. The readings have been consistent over 18 months. What I have discovered, when compared to my historical data in my spreadsheet, is that while Perry does have conditioned water, within acceptable ranges.. But, it water is hard. The pH is 6.0 ppm. The KH is 0.0 ppm. He has lived comfortably at a pH of 6, but the KH of 0, and its disparity with the pH is bothering me. I should get some SeaChem Alkaline buffer tomorrow. I will give it a shot.

I have added a few Catappa leaves to soothe him - or so some say. Stay tuned. Thanks for your interest.

Orion
 
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Thank you, Alwaysbina. I performed a 50% water change, and retested the water, (with touch strips) twice. The readings have been consistent over 18 months. What I have discovered, when compared to my historical data in my spreadsheet, is that while Perry does have conditioned water, within acceptable ranges.. But, it water is hard. The pH is 6.0 ppm. The KH is 0.0 ppm. He has lived comfortably at a pH of 6, but the KH of 0, and its disparity with the pH is bothering me. I should get some SeaChem Alkaline buffer tomorrow. I will give it a shot.

I have added a few Catappa leaves to soothe him - or so some say. Stay tuned. Thanks for your interest.

Orion


Sorry folks, Perry passed away. :-’(
 
Hi,

I have a 6 month old female betta, who has been completely healthy until now. I have unfortunately been away from my fish for a few weeks, and I got home to Cookie (my betta) sitting on the bottom of her tank. She is usually very active and will come out as soon as she sees you coming. She also has white vertical lines on one side of her body which are new.

Any idea what's wrong with her? 20201125_105632.jpg20201125_102807.jpg
 
Lines on a betta are usually a sign of stress. Did you have someone over to take care of her while you were away? I assume at least someone to feed her, but if she hasn’t had a water change in the couple of weeks you were gone I would do that right away and test water parameters to see if that is the glaring issue. Also, what temp is her tank at? If you don’t have a heater in there the changing temperatures at this time of year could make a betta lethargic.
 

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Have any water changes been done while you were gone? What are the parameters? Right now I would do a 50% water change right away in case this is water related.
 
Hi,

I have a 6 month old female betta, who has been completely healthy until now. I have unfortunately been away from my fish for a few weeks, and I got home to Cookie (my betta) sitting on the bottom of her tank. She is usually very active and will come out as soon as she sees you coming. She also has white vertical lines on one side of her body which are new.

Any idea what's wrong with her? View attachment 745929View attachment 745930
Maybe she was hurt by excess nitrates as you were away for quite some time it sounds like.
 
I did a 50% water change this morning


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What is the water volume of the tank? 20L (5.5 gal)
How long has the tank been running? 5 months?
Does it have a filter? Yes
Does it have a heater? Yes
What is the water temperature? 26C
What is the entire stocking of this tank? (Please list all fish and inverts.) 1 female betta and 1 blue mystery snail

Maintenance
How often do you change the water? whenever I'm at my dads (some family issues at the moment mean I'm not able to be there all the time) so nowhere near as much as I should/
How much of the water do you change? 30-50%
What do you use to treat your water? prime
Do you vacuum the substrate or just the water? vacuum substrate and water

*Parameters - Very Important
Did you cycle your tank before adding fish? yes
What do you use to test the water? api master test kit
What are your parameters? We need to know the exact numbers, not just “fine” or “safe”.

Ammonia: 0ppm
Nitrite: 0ppm
Nitrate: 0-5ppm (I'm very confused by this)
pH: 7.2

Feeding
How often do you feed your fish? 1-2 times per day
How much do you feed your fish? small pinch (possible that the person feeding may have fed more even though as she never listened to me)
What brand of food do you feed your fish? omega one
Do you feed frozen or freeze-dried foods? frozen bloodworms occasionally

Illness & Symptoms
How long have you had this fish? 4 months
How long ago did you first notice these symptoms? yesterday
In a few words, can you explain the symptoms? lethargic and white stripe
Have you started any treatment for the illness? no
Was your fish physically ill or injured upon purchase? no
How has its behavior and appearance changed, if at all? lethargic and white stripes
 
I did a 50% water change this morning


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What is the water volume of the tank? 20L (5.5 gal)
How long has the tank been running? 5 months?
Does it have a filter? Yes
Does it have a heater? Yes
What is the water temperature? 26C
What is the entire stocking of this tank? (Please list all fish and inverts.) 1 female betta and 1 blue mystery snail

Maintenance
How often do you change the water? whenever I'm at my dads (some family issues at the moment mean I'm not able to be there all the time) so nowhere near as much as I should/
How much of the water do you change? 30-50%
What do you use to treat your water? prime
Do you vacuum the substrate or just the water? vacuum substrate and water

*Parameters - Very Important
Did you cycle your tank before adding fish? yes
What do you use to test the water? api master test kit
What are your parameters? We need to know the exact numbers, not just “fine” or “safe”.
So, I think I know what the problem is. Those white lines you are seeing are probably stress marks. For treatment watch her like a hawk, feed lots of good food, And you have to get a bottle or API stress coat. It should reduce stress and give her a clean bill of health. Also, the API stress coat is a stress reliever AND a dechlorinator. So, as of right now, just use the API stress coat and when you see A COMPLETE recovery from your betta, u can keep using the API stress coat or discontinue using it and just keep using prime. If that sounds confusing let me know.

Api stress coat: https://www.amazon.com/API-STRESS-Aquarium-Conditioner-16-Ounce/dp/B000255MYW?th=1
 
I did a 50% water change this morning


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What is the water volume of the tank? 20L (5.5 gal)
How long has the tank been running? 5 months?
Does it have a filter? Yes
Does it have a heater? Yes
What is the water temperature? 26C
I am going to stick with my original answer and say that it is probably stress from excess nitrates as IMO this stocking is pretty heavy for a 5.5g as snails do poop a lot. Are there any live plants in this tank?
 
I am going to stick with my original answer and say that it is probably stress from excess nitrates as IMO this stocking is pretty heavy for a 5.5g as snails do poop a lot. Are there any live plants in this tank?
Though AcornTheBetta the nitrates are 0-5 ppm. The nitrates aren't excessive by any means.

nj278 What is the progress? You haven't replied to the thread in a while.
 
Two years ago I got my third betta fish. At the time he was in a small 1 gallon tank, but just recently I put him in a five gallon with a filter, a heater, a thermometer, some softer plants, new gravel, and two fish hammocks. Not too long after the move he was acting strange, he was not very active, and was always sitting on his hammock, or on top of one of my shorter plants. I thought he was just adjusting at first, but when he did not eat the food I gave him I knew something was wrong.(He loves food.) I started to watch him closely, and noticed he was always staring out the left side of the tank. A few days ago I tapped on his tank, because he was extremely inactive, and he did not react so I got my net to touch him but he did not seem to care (I was gentle.) At this point I was pretty sure he had a bladder disease, but he was not bloated at all. I do not know if this has anything to do with it but he just recently got over fin rot. I am going to make him community fish but if something is wrong I will wait. He also get weekly water change and a good cleaning every two weeks. I don't know how old he was when I got him but it seemed like a year old. Sorry If it is hard to see the fish the camera did not pick him up very well. He is also sleeping right now. He is not white is just a glare from a screen.
 

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Did you cycle your 5g?

So you put in half of his water from his other tank, and then immediately put him in it? Can you tell me his age? Can you also give me your parameters?
 

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