These are the parameters I've had. I use reverse osmosis water since our city water is high in ammonia. I had a 55 gallon full of tetras and have had three disease outbreaks in less than a year. I don't know that I've successfully cycled the tank.Hmm I thought Nitrate is supposed to be at Zero?I know I don’t remember which one is bad for fish at high levels though.
I've had the tank since May of 2024. There are currently four Colombian tetras, two red eye tetras, and one white skirt tetra. I hadn't added anything since the last disease outbreak in October until recently adding six Goyder River rainbowfish that all died within a week. I don't know if the tank is cycled because I've gotten so much conflicting information.MOST of the time, when a tank is cycled,
readins will be zero ammoni, zero nitrite, but nitrAte will be higher then zero.
Unless you have discus or certain species, what sounds like high nitrate levals of 40. ppm are nothing to worry about. But a water change might be a good idea to keep it from getting much higher. And even higher doesnt mean that you panic and do a 70% water change and wash all the filters and deco. Fish dont like changes!
Anyways, how old is your tank? what is in it? Have you started a cycle?
Are all.of these compounds available on Amazon? Is there a brand you recommend? If I do this ot should raise nitrates where they need to be?Remineralize: calcium sulphate CaSO4 and magnesium sulphate MgSO4, in a ratio that is pseudo-scientifically / psychologically comfortable
The total amount depends on the fish you have; plants need only very low amounts of calcium, magnesium and sulphate.
What plants need the most: potassium nitrate KNO3. Buy a bucket for a few bucks and you'll have plant food for years.
The rest of the plant food, including phosphates and iron, which plants require only in super low amounts, will automagically appear in your tank if you have fish swimming around.
So add some fertilizer and nitrates should go where they need to be? Is it something you just dump into the tank?Plants need a variety of nutrients in order grow properly. They need sunlight of proper intensity, frequency and duration. They need carbon dioxide, calcium and magnesium. They need the macronutrients nitrogen, phosphorus, and potassium in good amounts. They need a variety of micronutrients such as: iron, sulfur, molybdenum, manganese, boron, nickel, cobalt, and zinc. These micronutrients are necessary, but only required at minute concentrations.
There are three types of fertilizers.
One is an all-in-one fertilizer that contains both macronutrients and micronutrients. The objective is to add more of these nutrients than are needed by the plants and then remove the excess through frequent water changes. Aquarium Co-Op Easy Green is a common example of this type of all-in-one fertilizer. There are other examples as well such as NilocG Thrive.
Another type of fertilizer is one that contains a mixture of micronutrients. These are added it tiny doses as that is all that is required. One common example of this type of fertilizer is Seachem Flourish Comprehensive Supplement. Some fish keepers make the mistake of believing that this is an all-in-one product, but it is not. It does not contain significant levels of nitrogen or phosphorus.
The final type of fertilizer that contains one or more specific nutrients. For example, API Leaf Zone contains potassium (a macronutrient) and iron (a micronutrient). The Seachem Flourish line contains Flourish Nitrogen, Flourish Phosphorus, and Flourish Potassium. The Flourish Nitrogen contains both ammonium and nitrate forms of nitrogen. Flourish Phosphorus is a solution of potassium phosphate, so it provides two macronutrients. Flourish Potassium is derived from potassium sulfate. Thus, it provides potassium (a macronutrient) and sulfur (a micronutrient).
Although phosphorus is a macronutrient required in good concentrations, excessive phosphorus (normally as phosphates) can exacerbate algae growth. Thus, be careful in adding phosphate to your tank.
For those who intend to keep invertebrates such as shrimp, be sure to check the amount of copper in the product. While copper is required for all plants and animals, invertebrates can be killed by excessive levels of copper. That is why copper is used to kill ich in the aquarium. If you plan on keeping shrimp, look for a shrimp-safe fertilizer.
I have used specific products as examples. There are other reputable producers of aquarium fertilizers. Brightwell Aquatics makes a good line of fertilizers. I use their micronutrients as they are more concentrated than Flourish Comprehensive. Thus, Brightwell is less expensive in the long run.
Be careful in purchasing products to read the labels carefully. Some products claiming to be all-in-one do not provide significant levels of macronutrients.
Interesting. With the parameters I showed in the photo on post #3 are there any theories why the rainbowfish didn't make it?What FishDin said, No nItrates after your tank is definitly cyced is rare, but possible with live plants.
Think of nitrates like air polution, it would be ideal to have zero,
Congrats on no nitrates!
Plants need a variety of nutrients in order grow properly. They need sunlight of proper intensity, frequency and duration. They need carbon dioxide, calcium and magnesium. They need the macronutrients nitrogen, phosphorus, and potassium in good amounts. They need a variety of micronutrients such as: iron, sulfur, molybdenum, manganese, boron, nickel, cobalt, and zinc. These micronutrients are necessary, but only required at minute concentrations.

Do the parameters in post #3 indicate a full cycle?I will first say, somtimes fish get stressed during transition and dont recover.
And now I will say "im not sure!"
But I do know that fish dont like change. Did you acclimate them slowly to the new water? Even if your RO water is healthier then the pet store water, ii might have been too much of a change for already stressed fish.
And just for the sake of saving money and time,
If your tank is fully cycled,the bio bacteria should eliminate the ammonia in the tap water. and you should not need RO water just for that purpose.
I think there is some confusion. The plant advice is appreciated, but I'm more concerned about the lack of nitrates. Is that something I should be concerned about? Is this likely what caused my rainbows to die within a week?
Interesting. With the parameters I showed in the photo on post #3 are there any theories why the rainbowfish didn't make it?
Nitrite is the bad one.Hmm I thought Nitrate is supposed to be at Zero?I know I don’t remember which one is bad for fish at high levels though.
What's drip acclimating?Rainbow fish are some of sturdiest, hardest to kill fish there are. They are practically indestructible, the perfect beginner fish. And no, a lack of nitrate in the system is not going to kill any fish, especially a rainbow fish.
Only thing that could is adding to many at once and you got an ammonia surge but that wouldn’t just effect the rainbow but all fish in tank so that’s not it.
Only thing left is improper acclimation and they suffered PH or osmotic shock (rapid shift in GH/water hardness parameters) or in some cases both, a lethal 1/2 punch that will take down most any fish.
Did you drip acclimate the rainbow for at least a hour when you got them home?
Here’s the quick AI generated effects of osmotic shock simply because I’m to lazy to type it all out.not bad really.
“ Osmotic shock primarily effects the following organs and systems:
Gills (Primary Organ): As the direct interface with the water, the gills are the most vulnerable and often the first organ to suffer damage. Osmotic shock causes capillary congestion, lamellar aneurysms, and severe gill tissue damage. This hinders respiration, ion exchange, and overall acid-base regulation.
Kidneys: These are crucial for extracting excess water (in freshwater) or conserving water (in marine environments). Shock causes severe stress on the kidneys, leading to malfunction, inability to maintain electrolyte balance, and sometimes irreversible damage.
Liver: The liver is heavily involved in metabolic regulation and stress response, often experiencing damage when the fish is under severe osmotic stress. It may show increased activity of enzymes (ALT/AST) and changes in lipid metabolism.
Skin and Mucosa: Damage to the protective mucus coating can occur, leading to defects and making the fish more susceptible to secondary infections, such as bacteria or parasites.
Blood and Plasma (Physiological System): Osmotic shock alters blood chemistry, leading to hyperglycaemia (elevated blood glucose) as a stress response, along with changes in hematological parameters like hemoglobin concentration.”
Most fish after sever osmotic shock will linger a few days and then simply die. They will never fully recover if they do live as some of the damage is irreversible.
You really need to get you the proper liquid GH and KH test kits (API is fine) so you really do have an actual master test kit. Your test strips are kind of suspicious to me being your liquid test shows a higher ph range but KH/GH on strips seems low level (expired ?).
Adding tank water to new fish very slowly over a relatively long period to acclimate them to the new water gradually so that they are not shocked by any sudden change in temperature or chemical composition. Usually this is done by setting up a drip system from the tank to a bucket containing the new fish and their original water.What's drip acclimating?
What's drip acclimating?
How does this drip system look?If you are only using RO water and not adding any minerals this is not ideal for rainbow fish, which do better in harder water as GlennO mentioned, most tetras should be OK though. I am not saying that this was necessarily the problem but it could have contributed. As others have said 0 nitrates will not harm fish and that is an "ideal", natural situation. I have had tanks that consistently read 0 nitrates but have very good plant growth even without adding any fertilizer for long periods. These tanks have always been relatively understocked, for their size, and with small fish, I assume that any nitrates produced are being consumed by the plants.
Adding tank water to new fish very slowly over a relatively long period to acclimate them to the new water gradually so that they are not shocked by any sudden change in temperature or chemical composition. Usually this is done by setting up a drip system from the tank to a bucket containing the new fish and their original water.
The fish lived for a week Would a surge in ammonia take that long to kill them? Not trying to argue, but that doesn't seem realistic. The tank has no ammonia.I usually use the bag acclimating method for 60-90 minutes.
float the bag that the fish came in in your tank.
open the bag carefully.
eyeball approximity 10% or less of the ammount of petstore bag water and scoop out that much tank water and add it to the bag. if possible just shut the lid on the bag opening so that the fish dont swimmout,
repeat every ten minutes or so, removing excess water and toss it, dont let petstore water into the tank unless its a quaranteen tank.
It is best To net the fish and add them to the tank to avoid geting petstore water in the tank. if its a quaranteen tank, I just allow them to swim out of the bag.
The bag method should only be used for store bout fish that were in the bag for less the 4 hours, If you order fish on line, the minute you open the bag, ammonia is releasesed in high quantity, I dont know the science of it, but it is important to get the fish into a container, tank, or bucket were the lid stays open, then add some prime.
good Luck!
fiy, I have also found rainbow fish to be harder then average to keep.
These were shipped in. The fish lived for a week. Even if there was a surge wouldn't that have killed them much sooner?Also were these fish you picked up at local store or were they shipped in?
If they were shipped there is a whole other list of things that could have happened like they got to cold/hot or there was an ammonia surge when you opened bag.
These were shipped in. The fish lived for a week. Even if there was a surge wouldn't that have killed them much sooner?
They lived for a week. Are GH and PH related to ammonia? How are you supposed to adjust that? It seems at some point you can't keep making adjustments. Not trying to argue but something has to give.It’s all a matter of the degree of severity of the shock, whether it be an ammonia surge upon opening bag or PH/osmotic shock caused by differing water hardness parameters. Where a quick change of 100>225ppm GH may take days to show effects but fish will probably recover a rapid change of 100>325ppm may kill them in a singe night.
Are GH and PH related to ammonia?
Shipped fish that have been in a bag for 2+ days should be "plopped and dropped".
In case you didn’t notice, my preferred method is…….#3.![]()
I haven't added any minerals. Parameters are shown on post #3.I read through this again but I'm still not clear on if you're adding minerals to your RO water. Are you? And if so what's your GH? Rainbowfish will definitely get sick rather quickly if they are put in water with 0 GH.
Ok. It seems that GH is 0 then which is likely to be the source of fish and plant health issues. Add some GH booster according to directions. Seachem Equilibrium or Fritz RO Recharge for example but there are lots of brands to choose from.I haven't added any minerals. Parameters are shown on post #3.
I added some Equilibrium recently.Ok. It seems that GH is 0 then which is likely to be the source of fish and plant health issues. Add some GH booster according to directions. Seachem Equilibrium or Fritz RO Recharge for example but there are lots of brands to choose from.
Ok. I suggest adding enough Equilibrium to raise GH to at least 3dGH (about 50ppm). Slightly higher if you want to keep rainbowfish again.I added some Equilibrium recently.