First Impressions Of Julidochromis Marlieri

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This is my first impressions of Julidochromis marlierI a Cichlid from Lake Tanganyika.

Little background first. Before deciding to do a Tanganyikan tank, my stocking plan went in so many directions. I knew for sure when I got back into the hobby I had to have Kribs, Rummys, Rasboras, Tiger Barbs, and Celebes Rainbows. But after awhile, the thought of doing another community tank was kind of boring especily since Ive kept them, and wanted something different.

So I changed my mind and became interested in Rock Kribensis. Then I became interested in Apistogrammas, especially Borelli, Agassizii, and Cocatuidadies. Then, I came across Shell Dweller Cichlids and other fish from Lake Tanganyika. These fish are so interesting, and facinating, I was hooked. After hours, days, weeks, and months of research I finally decided to go with a Tanganyikan setup.
Now that is out of the way...on to the Juli.

First I want to thank Tiny_Tanganyikans who was a great help in helping decide on which fish to go with and stocking levels. I also want to thank Lchi87 for some great ideas on scaping my tank. Not quite done with it, but getting there. Thanks again for your time and patience it's greatly appreciated.
I have a 75 gallon tank that has only one JulI by itself, I am picking up 3 more today...and then will add some Neolamprologus multifasciatus, I'm still not sure about my mid swimmers, or if I will get any. As you can see in the picture, it is less than an inch long, with almost a checker board pattern, and with a faint hint of blue on the outer edges on the fins. These colors should enhance as it gets older.

This fish is facinating to watch. It swims around in an almost jittery kind of way. Think of little torpedoes that move like Hummingbirds. I love the way it darts in and out of the rocks, and how it can even hang upside-down hugging the rocks. It is always in search of food and far it seems to like pellets, and once I get more, I will try frozen and mix in live food.

Another thing I've noticed is that it became very comfortable right away when I put it in the tank, and now has set up territory in two specific areas of the tank near the rocks and away form them as well. The territory it set up away from the rocks is kind of a surprise to me since I know they feel very safe close to rocks and caves. But will chalk it up to the fact it's alone and no competition or fear of predators. I'm sure a lot will change when I add the other three. So I will have to rearrange the decor again to establish new territories.

Even though it is by itself, it is very active and curious but at times can be a little jittery and will dart with lightning speed into the rocks for safety. But expected since it is alone.

I think this is a perfect fish to start a Lake Tanganyika tank, especially if you are like me and kind of bored with the average Tetras, Danios, Barbs, Loaches, etc etc that are normal.

Now...depending on how you source your fish, they can be very expensive. The one MarlierI that I bought from my lfs was 25$, and for a single MultI they wanted 30$. For Dickfeldis they wanted 27$, and for Ornatus, they were going for 60$. Luckily I found somewhere where I can get them much, much cheaper.

As my tank gets established I will update every so often.
 

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You are going to enjoy them even more in a group, in a tank that size. They are active fish - it's not just their colours.
Tanganyikan Cichlids can be amazing. Lake MalawI mbuna have the in your face colours and beauty, but Tanganyikans have very complex behavior. A lot of people start with mbuna, then go with Tanganyikans. Once your curiosity is awakened with these things, the choices you have are enormous.
I followed the Julidichromis path to African river Cichlids, which have been fascinating me for 25 years now.
Wait til you get fry - they are beyond cool to watch.
 

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, I was hoping that you would show up and comment. And there are a couple of more members I'm hoping will comment as well.
My curiosity with these fish is beyond awaken, and can't wait to see what happens when the new fish get in today. You are absolutely right about their behavior because that is what got me so facinating with them, especially the Multis. I'm looking forward to watching them spit sand on each other, set territories, and fight over shells. So I'm not sure which fish will turn out to be my favorite. As much as I like fish with bright in your face colors..I much more enjoy subtle colors that only come out when the light hits them in a certain way. That's one of the reasons Celebes Rainbows are one of my favorite fish. I am looking forward to a possible colony, but I don't expect to have many survive, if any at all. I am not going to remove any fry if there are any...so mother nature will take over and it's only the strong will survive.

, I was hoping that you would show up and comment. And there are a couple of more members I'm hoping will comment as well.
My curiosity with these fish is beyond awaken, and can't wait to see what happens when the new fish get in today. You are absolutely right about their behavior because that is what got me so facinating with them, especially the Multis. I'm looking forward to watching them spit sand on each other, set territories, and fight over shells. So I'm not sure which fish will turn out to be my favorite. As much as I like fish with bright in your face colors..I much more enjoy subtle colors that only come out when the light hits them in a certain way. That's one of the reasons Celebes Rainbows are one of my favorite fish. I am looking forward to a possible colony, but I don't expect to have many survive, if any at all. I am not going to remove any fry if there are any...so mother nature will take over and it's only the strong will survive.
 
I'll be watching your thread closely, I've had shell dwellers in the back of my mind a lot recently and I may have a 20 long free in a few months and I may just do it!
 
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Lchi87, I think they will become your new passion. With all of the research that I did..you can do a very very nice Shell Dweller tank and set up a nice colony with only a few fish to start with. With your scaping skills I can only imagine how beautiful your tank will be.
 
Lchi87, I think they will become your new passion. With all of the research that I did..you can do a very very nice Shell Dweller tank and set up a nice colony with only a few fish to start with. With your scaping skills I can only imagine how beautiful your tank will be.
Hah thanks for your vote of confidence! Cichlids have always been my favorite so there's a very good chance I'll go that route. The only downside for me is raising the resulting fry....baby raising is exhausting!
 

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Be careful, Sully and Cheeks may get jealous.
The one thing that I found very interesting with Multis is that they normally don't harm their fry. Matter of fact the older generation will help raise the next generation. Also when their colony gets a little too big, they will stop breeding.
 
Nah, Sully wouldn't care in the slightest; Cheeks is more likely to get irritated LOL. That is very interesting though, even Sully and Boo eventually eat their fry if they are ready to spawn again...and their older babies definitely bully the younger batch, which is why I keep them separated. I'm excited to watch your colony grow!
 
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Thanks, I'm excited as well. I apologize I forgot about Boo.
Bad news is that there is a storm here in Ga and I may not be able to pick up the new fish since the trip the the fish store will be over an hour drive, so I may have to wait until later in the week to get them. Fingers crossed that the storm will pass over.
Hopefully you will be able to sell off your babies to the fish store, and get a little bit of money back that you invested.
 
Thanks, I'm excited as well. I apologize I forgot about Boo.
Bad news is that there is a storm here in Ga and I may not be able to pick up the new fish since the trip the the fish store will be over an hour drive, so I may have to wait until later in the week to get them. Fingers crossed that the storm will pass over.
Hopefully you will be able to sell off your babies to the fish store, and get a little bit of money back that you invested.
Aw storms suck! Hope it blows over quickly for you, I HATE having to wait to get my fish. The LFS has already credited me for a few babies I brought them a week or so ago, but its not really money I care about so much, its the hours I spend caring for them that I can't get back LOL. Time spent on daily water changes, hatching baby brine shrimp and multiple feedings add up to a good chunk of time! Will your baby shellies need BBS to eat too?
 
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If they do breed, they will definitely need BBS in their diet as well as vegetable matter as well. From what I understand protein should be the main ingredient in their food.
I can only imagine the time spent raising your fry. It's a lot of work. I had Convict Cichlids breed in a community tank years and years ago, and the work was a lot. I never was able to raise them to get bigger than the free swimming stage even with removing all other fish and they had a 20 long to themselves. The parents kept eating them. They breed like rabbits.
 

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I was truly hooked by 'brichardis', the BurundI Princess Cichlid - Neolamprologus brichardi. They were delicate, ethereal looking things that only allowed a pair per tank, until, in a sand tank, they bred. Every spawn stayed in the nest, helping! You would see 1/4 inch babies carry sand one grain at a time to keep the nest clean while the parents tended the eggs.
As spawn after spawn succeeded, the nest was all activity. Juvies of all ages cleaning eggs, older juvies on perimeter defense - in the wild the colonies can reach enormous numbers.
I have seen many many cool things breeding fish, but Lake Tanganyika Neolamprologus brichardI with fry was astonishing. My apartment was for rent, and the landlord said that tank kept stopping potential renters in their tracks as they wanted to watch the fish, and two actually left me notes trying to buy juvies...
I sold hundreds of them over a few years, paying all my aquarium costs.
 
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Soooooo....yesterday I picked up 3 more buddies for my Julii, my daughter named him T-Rex, (such a very appropriate name). Right before I put the other three in, I rearranged the tank to reset boundaries and territories.
So after acclimation I put them in and after a few minutes, T-Rex attitude and colors darkened and his aggressiveness was on full display. He darkend so much, that the white in him disappeared. Even after rearranging the tank several times T-Rex had claimed the tank for himself. The other three tried to establish their own territory, but was constantly harrased. One even lipped locked with T-Rex. So after a couple of hours I decided to remove T-Rex and put him/her into my wife's five gallon for the next few days to give the other three a break and hopefully when I reintroduce T-Rex, he/she will not harass the others. Fingers crossed.
The other three have adapted very well so far and are eating, exploring, and even dispalying to one another.
There colors so far are nowhere near as dark as T-Rex but just as nice.
Tomorrow I hope to pick up my Multies. Really can't wait for them.
 
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I will get some pictures tomorrow, along with the Multies if I am able to get them. I am also going g to try to hit up a stone yard and find some more rocks. The lfs prices is highway robbery, so will try to find it cheaper. I would like to get some more Seiryu Stone and base rock.

, I was seriously interested in Neolamprologus Pulcher. But think in the future I will get a Pearly Calvus.

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One thing that I noticed is that it seems like they will at times flick sand at each other with their tails. I'm not sure if this is on purpose.
The pictures didn't come out that clear. They are lightning fast, and anytime I try to take a picture the bide. These guys are constantly moving, flaring, displaying, and at times lip locking..but no physical harm is done.
These fish are so much more than what I expected, and I couldn't be happier.
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Sorry for the double pictures.
 
congrats! I hope they do well for you, they look great!
 
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Nothing really new to update. I am still waiting on the Multies. Seems like my guy is having trouble finding them, and I beef use to spend 30$for a single Multi
I did have to separate one of the Julies, it seems like He/she and T-Rex were ganging up on the other two. Things seem to calm down a bit. I'm thinking about waiting to get the Multies before adding the other Julie back in.
These guys are still so much fun to sit back and watch.
 
I was in a store in Toronto last week that had fantastic shell dwellers. I always visit stores wherever I travel, and have seen a lot of stores in 50 years of fishkeeping. This was the first wow store I have seen in ages (it's called "Finatics" - not mail order though)- exciting proof that good stores can still make a go of it.
I haven't seen that many Tanganyikans and Victorians in one store, ever. I really like Pseudocrenilabrus - little dwarf mouthbrooders not from the Great Rift Lakes. The store had two species, victoriae and nicholsi. It's been years since I saw even one species in a store, and two was something special.
There is still hope!
 
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Thanks Navigator. I refuse to settle on getting something that I don't really want. As much as I love my Marlieri, I'm upset with myself for jumping the gun and getting g them. They will get bigger than I want. I had the chance to grab some Gold Ocellatus, but I don't find them as exciting as the Multies. I will be very patient waiting for the Multies to get in.
 
Did you find any multies yet? I'm on the hunt for some similis so now we're in the same boat!
 
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Did you find any multies yet? I'm on the hunt for some similis so now we're in the same boat!

I'm still on the hunt. The guy who was supposed to get them for me is having trouble getting them in. One of the lfs around me has Similis, but they are going for 30$ a piece. I've been thinking about just ordering them online, but some of the shipping cost are ridiculous.
 

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I'm still on the hunt. The guy who was supposed to get them for me is having trouble getting them in. One of the lfs around me has Similis, but they are going for 30$ a piece. I've been thinking about just ordering them online, but some of the shipping cost are ridiculous.
I've seen plenty on multies for sale online so you have options if your guy can't get them for you; shipping is pretty crazy for some places though, totally agree. Imperial tropicals is one of the few with free shipping but your order has to be at least $45... and $30 per similis is just insane! I wonder if that's the going price for them nowadays...naturally every fish I want has to be rare/expensive lol. I hope you get your multies soon!
 
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Thanks. I'm hoping to get them soon as well. One other member here has said they saw them for 30 as well. So I'm guessing it's the going rate.

Thanks...just checked out Imperial Tropicals. I didn't see any Multies or Similis. Buuuuttt, that Starry Night Cichlid is beautiful.
 
Funny, I just emailed them to ask about them lol. Doesn't hurt to keep an eye out there anyway. Their cichlids are really beautiful!
 
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Lchi87. Another member just gave me another source for Multies. It's called Dave's Rare Fish. Pretty decent prices, and he has great reviews.
 
Lchi87. Another member just gave me another source for Multies. It's called Dave's Rare Fish. Pretty decent prices, and he has great reviews.
Amazing! Going to check them out now and ask if they can order similis for me lol. Thanks for the tip!
 
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Still not much to update.
But I bought my Julies some Bug Bites, and they absolutely love them. Have noticed that they are getting more girth on them, than length.
I did buy myself something to add to the tank....I got my Escargot Shells in today, and love how they look. Now I just need my Shellies. The lfs that I went to a few days ago has Multies, but at 30 a piece, I'd go go broke. I still have someone looking for some, so my fingers are crossed.
Here are few shots of the tank with the shells.
Please don't mind the placement of the rocks, shells or the lack of a background. I took it down to re cut it so it will look neater, just got to get back to it.

One more.
 

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I was in a store in Toronto last week that had fantastic shell dwellers. I always visit stores wherever I travel, and have seen a lot of stores in 50 years of fishkeeping. This was the first wow store I have seen in ages (it's called "Finatics" - not mail order though)- exciting proof that good stores can still make a go of it.
I haven't seen that many Tanganyikans and Victorians in one store, ever. I really like Pseudocrenilabrus - little dwarf mouthbrooders not from the Great Rift Lakes. The store had two species, victoriae and nicholsi. It's been years since I saw even one species in a store, and two was something special.
There is still hope!
I'll have to check that place out - I've never been there before
 
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My source didn't have any more similis?
I've contacted him a couple of times but have not have heard back from him. Probably just too busy.
But I'm not into too much of a rush, but would like to get them before the Julies get too much bigger.
 
I've contacted him a couple of times but have not have heard back from him. Probably just too busy.
But I'm not into too much of a rush, but would like to get them before the Julies get too much bigger.
Let me reach out to him and see what's going on...
 

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Lchi87, I couldn't wait until the morning, so I sent him a quick text, so hopefully I will hear something soon.

Just a very quick update.
After making a very stupid mistake which killed two of my Julies, yesterday I picked up two Neolamprologus brichardI (plan on getting more).
The Julies didn't like having company and T-Rex made it known. The Brichardis held their own, and now have taken over the tank, but things are pretty peaceful.
The BrichardI are beautiful, and very active, and after only being in the tank for 20 minutes, they were out searching for food, and today they ate pretty well.
I definitely recommend this fish.

Lchi87, I have pictures of the BrichardI on this thread.
Learn From My Dumb, Stupid, Idiotic Mistake
 
Just a very quick update.
After making a very stupid mistake which killed two of my Julies, yesterday I picked up two Neolamprologus brichardI (plan on getting more).
The Julies didn't like having company and T-Rex made it known. The Brichardis held their own, and now have taken over the tank, but things are pretty peaceful.
The BrichardI are beautiful, and very active, and after only being in the tank for 20 minutes, they were out searching for food, and today they ate pretty well.
I definitely recommend this fish.
I have always loved Brichardis. There is such an understated elegance about that fish. If my MultI tank was higher, that is what I would have done. Maybe someday...(I've been saying that for about 15 years. )
 
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I have always loved Brichardis. There is such an understated elegance about that fish.
It is a really nice fish and happy to have them. But I think next time I will have just a species only tank with them. Then I could really see their natural behavior. This time around I wanted a community tank, and if I don't get a colony going, it's ok.
 
It is a really nice fish and happy to have them. But I think next time I will have just a species only tank with them. Then I could really see their natural behavior. This time around I wanted a community tank, and if I don't get a colony going, it's ok.
Hang in there. Your colony will come about. (And you're talking to someone who has been "hanging" for a while. lol)
 
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So after doing some more research on my BrichardI , and looking at markings, my BrichardI are actually a Daffodil, but still a Pulcher. The difference is in the markings of the gill plates. The Daffodil (what I have), has "((" on its gill plates, and the BrichardI has a "T" shape on its gill plates.
In the last couple of days the Daffodils have started to color up, and the blue in the gill plates are starting to show a lot more, and the yellow on the fins have become deeper.
The MarlierI are not the boss of the tank anymore, and stay close to the rocks. The Daffodils will chase them away if they get to close. The Julies hang out together more since I've added the Daffodils.
With the Julies, they have not gained much color, hoping they will.
Today I added frozen HikarI Mysis Shrimp to their diet...and both fish loved it. The Daffodils are very greedy, and the Julies, if I'm not careful, can be out competed for food. But so far they get their fair share.
 
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Since I have not updated this in a very long time,I will give a brief update.
About a month ago I was
supposed to be one of the first to get Lchi87 Similis. I didn't get them which turned out to be a good thing. The Daffodils would be way too aggressive for the Similis, and I don't think I would have seen the Similis full behavior. So I ended up getting what was supposed to be four Gold Ocellatus, but they were either the Blue or Purple Ocellatus.
When I picked them up they had no gold color, but figured they were stressed and their colors would come in once they get settled. But after having them for a month, and feeding them very well, the gold colors never showed, and the store that I bought them from, the owner was gracious enough to take them back, and traded them in for six Synodontis petricola lucipinnis.
I actually love the Occies and immediately missed them once they were gone. They were very aggressive and could hold their own against the Daffodils. I still have the guy looking for three Gold Ocellatus. They are fish that I have to have.
The Synodontis are some really nice fish, that I wasn't to sure about when in first put them into my tank.
With all of the research I did on them, they are supposed to be very active. Mine weren't for the first week, and stayed hidden. I even rearranged the rocks around several times to keep them from hiding so much, but that didn't help. I was very disappointed and figured that I bought fish that I would never see.
Now after having them for two weeks, they have settled in a little more and are definitely more active than when I first got them...I believe a water change helped with that as well. I
do know they are nocturnal, and last night was the first time I had the chance to observe them at night. At first I didn't see them, but when I put some Bug Bites in, they came out in a rush looking for food. Today I gave them some frozen Krill, and they loved them.
The Synodontis have been a nice addition to my tank, and happy to have them.
I definitely recommend them to anybody that wants Catfish bit not Corys.. The best thing about Synodontis is that they can adapt to most water conditions so a person doesn't have to have certain parameters to keep them, so they are great for most community tanks, and can hold their own in aggressive tanks as well.
I've been trying to get pictures of these guys, but they hide as soon as I try to take a picture. I will try to get pictures soon.
 

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