Betta is.. shaking? Paralyzed?

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A few months ago, my betta suffered stress-induced shock and hasn't been the same since.. most of the time he'd be fine, but some days he'll have swim bladder, but then will be back to normal a day after. The shock caused some fin rot too, and his fins still haven't fully recovered even though he doesn't have it anymore.. today he's been acting even stranger. In the morning, he was at the surface head-up twitching, like he was paralyzed and was trying his hardest to move. Then he did start swimming- erratically. Then he feel to the substrate and underneath some plants, where he stayed for quite awhile. Then he changed locations. Now he's somewhere end under the driftwood, shaking as if out of fear. I don't know what to do with him- I've turned off the lights incase he was stressed. I did a water change yesterday, and there's nothing wrong with the water. 80 degrees, no signs of ammonia, nitrates, or nitrites, 7 pH.. I've been using vitachem and almond leaves for awhile. Nothing new has occurred in his tank other than that.

Oh, and I don't see anything on him like ich.
 

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What size tank? And what was the incident that caused his issues?
10 gallons. The incident was when I removed him from the tank so that I could deep clean the gravel w/o causing harm (I'd assume he wouldn't want to suck any of that gunk up) and stress, and when I was finished and attempted to put him back in, he started freaking out. The usual signs of shock- fish seizures before going limp, waking up again and swimming terribly while twitching. I think it messed up his immune system as he started having finrot, which as generally taken care of- but I don't think his immune system has gotten any better. He's been suffering on and off chronic issues since.
Am I allowed to bump this..? I just really need someone who had experience with this sort of thing he's out of his hidey hole and is currently at the surface again, still twitchy..
 
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10 gallons. The incident was when I removed him from the tank so that I could deep clean the gravel w/o causing harm (I'd assume he wouldn't want to suck any of that gunk up) and stress, and when I was finished and attempted to put him back in, he started freaking out. The usual signs of shock- fish seizures before going limp, waking up again and swimming terribly while twitching. I think it messed up his immune system as he started having finrot, which as generally taken care of- but I don't think his immune system has gotten any better. He's been suffering on and off chronic issues since.
Am I allowed to bump this..? I just really need someone who had experience with this sort of thing he's out of his hidey hole and is currently at the surface again, still twitchy..
anyone?
 
It would really help if you filled out the emergency template that way it will be a lot easier to help

10 gallons. The incident was when I removed him from the tank so that I could deep clean the gravel w/o causing harm (I'd assume he wouldn't want to suck any of that gunk up) and stress, and when I was finished and attempted to put him back in, he started freaking out.
Since your tank is 10 gallons, there's really no reason for you to be taking him out of his tank during water changes. What do you mean by deep cleaning the gravel?
A picture of the fin rot or maybe a video in this case (since you mentioned he's twitching) would also be really helpful.
 
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It would really help if you filled out the emergency template that way it will be a lot easier to help


Since your tank is 10 gallons, there's really no reason for you to be taking him out of his tank during water changes. What do you mean by deep cleaning the gravel?
A picture of the fin rot or maybe a video in this case (since you mentioned he's twitching) would also be really helpful.
I forgot about that, I'll reply to this message soon with it completed^^ I took him out because when I cleaned the gravel with my last betta, I didn't and he completely similarly freaked out.. except he only lasted 3 days :/ so I thought taking him out would be better- of course, I know now I shouldn't have and maybe just be less hasty. Deep cleaning as in using a gravel cleaner to suck up all of what is mingling in there- generally waste (I do have snails so I assume they contribute to it quite a bit-)

Oh, forgot to mention but he's mostly been hiding under things, and currently he's where I can only see the edge of his tail fin, so I might have to wait until tomorrow to get a picture or video. I think he may be getting finrot again- the edges of his fins just look a bit rough. Poor guy..
Im so sorry about your fish The only advice that i can pitch in is try using SeaChem StressGuard, Api Stress coat and api stress zyme to best calm your betta (however this may not be able to resolve the issue at all, but its worth a try)
Thank you, I'll try some stress coat as that's what I currently have.
I forgot about that, I'll reply to this message soon with it completed^^ I took him out because when I cleaned the gravel with my last betta, I didn't and he completely similarly freaked out.. except he only lasted 3 days :/ so I thought taking him out would be better- of course, I know now I shouldn't have and maybe just be less hasty. Deep cleaning as in using a gravel cleaner to suck up all of what is mingling in there- generally waste (I do have snails so I assume they contribute to it quite a bit-)

Oh, forgot to mention but he's mostly been hiding under things, and currently he's where I can only see the edge of his tail fin, so I might have to wait until tomorrow to get a picture or video. I think he may be getting finrot again- the edges of his fins just look a bit rough. Poor guy..

Thank you, I'll try some stress coat as that's what I currently have.

Tank
What is the water volume of the tank? 10 gal
How long has the tank been running? At least 8 months
Does it have a filter? Yes
Does it have a heater? Yes
What is the water temperature? 79
What is the entire stocking of this tank? (Please list all fish and inverts.)
One betta, 2 nerites, and just a handful of ~pest~ snails (on purpose, I love them- I limit their numbers by limiting food to discourage breeding)
Maintenance
How often do you change the water? Once a week generally, but twice or thrice a week for this guy
How much of the water do you change? About 25%, sometimes 50% if I feel he's doing worse.
What do you use to treat your water? Prime
Do you vacuum the substrate or just the water? Both, I don't vacuum that much though

*Parameters - Very Important
Did you cycle your tank before adding fish? Of course
What do you use to test the water? API test kit (the expensive one..)
What are your parameters? We need to know the exact numbers, not just “fine” or “safe”.
Ammonia: 0
Nitrite: 0
Nitrate: 0
pH: 7

Feeding
How often do you feed your fish? Twice a day
How much do you feed your fish? A very small pinch, I often soak it in vitachem
What brand of food do you feed your fish? Fluval bug bites, sometimes dried bugs like the bloodworms and daphnia.. occasionally live brine shrimp
Do you feed frozen or freeze-dried foods? Freeze dried I believe?

Illness & Symptoms
How long have you had this fish? A few months
How long ago did you first notice these symptoms? 1 month ago
In a few words, can you explain the symptoms? Shaking, twitching, swim bladder, what looks to be the start of finrot again, hiding
Have you started any treatment for the illness? No, I've been keeping the light off to reduce stress and I may start the api fin and body cure routine
Was your fish physically ill or injured upon purchase? No
How has its behavior and appearance changed, if at all? He's acting like he's scared.. like he has a reason to hide. Appearance wise, the edges of his fins look a bit rough and due to previous swimming problems he has some missing scales.

Explain your emergency situation in detail. um.. do I still have to even though I already explained myself? One thing that I realized though that I didn't mention was his strange behavior he ha sometimes before.. he'd trash against the glass like he was desperately trying to get something off of him, but I don't see anything on him or in the tank that would be a parasite. Should I try treating him for parasites just in case?
 
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