ET phone home ! Alien Bettas ?

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Hey everybody I know Alien bettas have been discussed here but does anyone have info specific to them or keep them ?
I mentioned my interest in them after reading ,seeing pictures and actually seeing them at the Aquatic Expo early this fall ..
I believe around the end of this week ,maybe next week Santa is supposed to deliver " a couple pair" of Aliens in Christmas colors ..
I am the ram guy ..I know little about these fish in particular ..
Help me you guys I have precious time to prepare.. They arrived in HawaiI yesterday so my buddy says he may ship them Thurs ..
He is acclimating them and trying to observe ...
 

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There's been some discussion on them before as some people seem to assume they should be kept as wild bettas.
Their genetics are unclear but they are likely still large part Splendens. I would just keep them the same way unless you notice your particular specimens are different. They are supposedly less aggressive but not so much that you can just toss a mixed gender group in a community. They may also be a bit more timid (possibly) and require some more cover.

New Bettas (2): "Alien Blue", "Alien Steel Blue" and "Alien Green" - Aquarium Glaser GmbH

Apparently the original creator doesn't want to say what genetics originally went into them, and breeders may or may not have outcrossed.

Note that is all hearsay, I have no experience with them nor have I seen them iRL. I'm guessing there is a lot of individual difference depending on what genetics yours happen to have seeing as how different breeders may have crossed in different species.
 

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I was just reading on Franks site ..
They really won't say what the cross is huh ??
I did not ask where they were imported from but I will guess Thailand ? I'll know before they are here .
My buddy said they are 1/2 wild and need very low TDS water ..
I don't think he has low TDS water going himself [maybe he does ] but I am getting that info and suggestions are hearsay!
 
I was just reading on Franks site ..
They really won't say what the cross is huh ??
I did not ask where they were imported from but I will guess Thailand ? I'll know before they are here .
My buddy said they are 1/2 wild and need very low TDS water ..
I don't think he has low TDS water going himself [maybe he does ] but I am getting that info and suggestions are hearsay!
Yes, it is a bit problematic but isn't the fun of getting something new or unusual?

I think some of those aliens hyped and sold for high prices have been bought by 'regular' aquarists who kept them in the same water/tank as a regular betta. I have no idea if that was successful, but this idea that they are one of those fish that must be kept in negligible-content water is new to me. In the first place, aren't the other species in that complex also fairly okay with 'acidish' water in the normal range (as in, PH 6-6.5, TDS 100-200ish) as long as you keep their water clean?
Then again who knows if the specimens sold as aliens in those stores are genuine aliens or just F1 crossbreeds with a similar look. Hrn.

Edit: From the International Betta Congress website, on the details of keeping and breeding betta species from the splendens complex:
Betta imbellis; water conditions

Not critical, imbellis is very tolerant of water chemistry and thrives in almost any type of water as long as it is clean and well filtered. They should be kept at mid 70s to low 80s F.

Betta Smagdarina; water conditions
"Not critical, smaragdina is very tolerant of water chemistry and thrives in almost any type of water as long as it is clean and well filtered. They should be kept at mid 70s to low 80s F."

Same text for Stiktos and Mahachaiensis as well. Not that these aren't copy-pasted but I think the general point is that the species from this complex are very adaptable and even wild specimens appear to do okay adapting to 'normal' water. In that case there should be no reason 'alien hybrids' couldn't. As far as I know, hybridisation is only possible among species within the same complex.

To illustrate the contrast, here is literally the first betta species I clicked on from the next complex on the list:
Betta Gladiator; water conditions

Gladiator comes from blackwater environments. Other members of the unimaculata complex are fairly tolerant of varied water conditions some only breed when the pH is below 6.
 
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They are here !
They arrived yesterday .2 from Joel Fernandez a transhipper and noted betta guru in Texas ,and 3 out 4 survived a 4 day "Express " trip from Hawaii.
Male blue from Joel ;
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Female ;
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A day later ; male
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Female;
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Here are the two 'multicolored ' ,not even sure what their official color/name is ? Male first ;
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The pair with female upper right ;
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So these fish are silly !
The male and female multicolor are spawning now .
There is no nest ..He just catches some eggs and tries to make nest at same time as installing them ?? I'll guess over 100 eggs so far but see very few at the surface ..
Next she pretends to help but is eating the eggs without a doubt. He is clueless !
So I guess I let them finish and separate her to next door and wait ?
I know better then to expect first timers to get it right but not even a nest ??
The other pair is separated and he may be build a small nest ..

Not that I expect this to change outcome much but she is not eating the eggs ?
I have seen her release them inches below the surface and they float up .
Surprised how many eggs keep coming out of such a small fish !
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Those are eggs below him in last picture .
And those are eggs in the upper left corner of tank , just no nest ??

The air stone really adds to the sense of how small these guys are still..
Mad it is in pics [sloppy] but it serves ?
 
Wow! Gorgeous fish. A LFS near me was selling some for 55$...but they were being sold along side the typical bettas and no info was put out about them. Made me sad to think someone would stick this beautiful fish in a bowl. Good luck with these guys!
 
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Ok these fish have me guessing already ? The eggs from the multI pair fall to the floor of tank still and have gone to fungus.That is no biggy or surprise ..
I had the blue pair separated and released her that evening also .They spawned Sunday or Monday [hundreds of eggs] and even a little nest .
These two seem smarter ..What a sight to behold watching him squeeze the eggs from her ..So after they were done I could not catch her .
He was not bent to get her either ? So I left them together ..
This morning she was hidden very well and I had a hard time finding her . I figured I should keep a close eye on her and checked back in regularly .When I looked in later I could not believe my eyes .They were spawning again ! Just 2 days later ?? I saw eggs [maybe a hundred again] and they embraced several times .She was wiling and helpful ?
2 days ??This is not normal right ??
I dI manage to catch and separate her tonight but they still have me guessing ..Nice big bubble nest under a floating plant leaf !
 
That's amazing! There is definitely something special in the coralbandit fishroom water !!
 
This is the first time I've seen this discussion (probably because I haven't been a big betta fan), but those are beautiful fish, especially the Blues.
 

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Ok these fish have me guessing already ? The eggs from the multI pair fall to the floor of tank still and have gone to fungus.That is no biggy or surprise ..
I had the blue pair separated and released her that evening also .They spawned Sunday or Monday [hundreds of eggs] and even a little nest .
These two seem smarter ..What a sight to behold watching him squeeze the eggs from her ..So after they were done I could not catch her .
He was not bent to get her either ? So I left them together ..
This morning she was hidden very well and I had a hard time finding her . I figured I should keep a close eye on her and checked back in regularly .When I looked in later I could not believe my eyes .They were spawning again ! Just 2 days later ?? I saw eggs [maybe a hundred again] and they embraced several times .She was wiling and helpful ?
2 days ??This is not normal right ??
I dI manage to catch and separate her tonight but they still have me guessing ..Nice big bubble nest under a floating plant leaf !
Ah, that is actually not that unusual. I've read an article but can't find it that quickly, it was a while ago and I forgot the title, about wild betta spawnings that mentioned in a good season with high temperatures and an abundance of food it is not unusual for females to spawn every 4-5 days or so throughout the mating season. The number of eggs will dwindle a little from the maximum you could get when conditioning them for 2-3 weeks (up to 300-400) to around the wild 'good-year normal' which should be around 100-200ish eggs I believe (various with species). Apparently also in the wild the number of eggs for one spawning goes up when there is a sparsity of males, but probably for evolutionary reason of widening the gene pools if enough space and males are available apparently females prefer mating with lots of males with short intervals with slightly smaller spawns. So this mating within a small number of days probably just means your specimens are of good condition and get along well and are behaving according to their natural optimum, which is spreading the odds of a bad batch by having several batches.
 
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This is the first time I've seen this discussion (probably because I haven't been a big betta fan), but those are beautiful fish, especially the Blues.
I have not owned a betta in over 30 years nor really wanted to ..
But new rare fish find their way to me ?
They are so much cooler looking in person .
I guess I am suppose to diversify my fish breeding efforts ?

That's amazing! There is definitely something special in the coralbandit fishroom water !!
That might not be as funny or untrue as I even want it to be .
I am using the exact same mix of RO and my tap for these guys as I have had so much success with for my rams .
100TDS no secrets here !

Ah, that is actually not that unusual. I've read an article but can't find it that quickly, it was a while ago and I forgot the title, about wild betta spawnings that mentioned in a good season with high temperatures and an abundance of food it is not unusual for females to spawn every 4-5 days or so throughout the mating season. The number of eggs will dwindle a little from the maximum you could get when conditioning them for 2-3 weeks (up to 300-400) to around the wild 'good-year normal' which should be around 100-200ish eggs I believe (various with species). Apparently also in the wild the number of eggs for one spawning goes up when there is a sparsity of males, but probably for evolutionary reason of widening the gene pools if enough space and males are available apparently females prefer mating with lots of males with short intervals with slightly smaller spawns. So this mating within a small number of days probably just means your specimens are of good condition and get along well and are behaving according to their natural optimum, which is spreading the odds of a bad batch by having several batches.

I was especially hoping to hear from you !
That is great info you don't need to back up for me ..
You are my go to betta girl ..Thanks ..
 
That might not be as funny or untrue as I even want it to be .
I am using the exact same mix of RO and my tap for these guys as I have had so much success with for my rams .
100TDS no secrets here !
Wasn't at all meant as a disrespectful stab at but moreso a praise and congrats on the short term success of the "aliens" breeding so soon for u. And being able to actually witness it must have been all that much more amazing!
 
I was especially hoping to hear from you !
That is great info you don't need to back up for me ..
You are my go to betta girl ..Thanks ..
Not sure if I deserve quite that much credit Do continue to take my words with a grain of salt, no one is above making mistakes and getting it wrong.
It's a bit late but I'll see if I can find that snippet tomorrow, I have a folder with betta-related articles saved on my PC and I think (I hope) it was somewhere in there.

Very curious to see how the offspring turns out! Keep us updated

I find it very curious how they don't seem to put a lot of effort into nestbuilding, from what I understood most males in the complex make a competition of building the most impressive nests to attract females but maybe these mystery gene ones prefer to build more 'concealed' nests? Where was the nest placed? It's possible that it was just a lack of time and they both went right down to business but it would be interesting if it turned out they just don't bother as much in general.

I should perhaps also note that I had a pair of splendens that did this, the male and female got along so well to the point of showing these kind of more helpful, social behaviours that are maybe more common in wilds? Like the male not eating his fry and bringing them food, the female helping in putting eggs in the nest (though this isn't that unusual), the male hardly damaging the female in courtship and her approaching and nudging him for an embrace usually within 30 mins of being released in his tank. They also showed readiness to mate in a tank that still had fry swimming in it (though that was accidental and I never let them get to it) without threatening to eat the fry, and even a handful of days after spawning, if I exposed her to him through the glass they both showed instant readiness to mate. I'm presuming if I had put them in a larger tank and not removed the female after the spawns I would have probably seen the same behaviour that you are seeing now.
So this seems to be more or less natural behaviour for bettas that aren't killing machines personality-wise or couples that are just a good match.
Edit: Oh also weirdly, when the male was reluctant to blow bubble nests when I floated her in a cup in his tank, she would blow the nest (and a pretty impressive one), I would release her together with the nest and they would use that to put their eggs in, the male maintaining it from then onwards. I've heard females do this rarely, though I haven't heard any other case of it actually being used for eggs like this.
 
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So I believe their are fry from the triple A blues .
The male still tends a nest and they are in it but I saw one out of the bubbles .
Tiny tiny ...
I separated the female to a dip and pour next door to him and she jumped into the tank with a pair of rams ! She is the second female to swim with rams ...Glad both jumped in and not out ! The dip and pours have covers now ..
Funny is the blue female couldn't be parked closer to the bubble nest if she was in the same tank ! She just lays in the floating plants right on other side of glass.. I let her stay out with the rams ! They really don't pay attention to each other at all !
I am really thinkin the male will come out for the fry soon and I will see if I can pack a tank with enough natural hides to keep them together ?
I know they all say pull the females for the commons but they really did not seem to be getting along badly ?? It is hard to re introduce the fish that moving him into a tank with her seems best approach . I do want to try to keep them together unless some one says nay !
Another thing I always felt was even if the fry are not with parents being able to see them makes a difference ..Next door to the fry is where she is so I would just yank the 2 rams [maybe] and move him over when the time comes..
They say separate when fry swim horizontal ?
I wonder if it is worth the risk to leave the male ?
 
Hi,

I recently got the same alien blue bettas as coralbandit. I purchased a male and a female from Frank's Bettas mentioned earlier in this threat, and an additional female from a different ThaI breeder. I thought it might be interesting to compare notes.

I can confirm the observations you have made about breeding and general behaviour.

Frank's male and the unrelated female were very eager to breed, basically as soon as they passed my quarantine, I let them together. I never bred bettas before so I don't have a direct comparison to betta splendens behaviour. These guys were very civilized with each other. Lots of flaring and interacting and a bit of chasing, but no biting. The male did not make a nest until they actually started breeding the next day. They did not hurt each other during or after. He was building the nest at the same time as he was putting batches of eggs into the nest. I removed the female when they were done, since the betta breeding guide recommended it. I removed the male when the fry were free-swimming for the same reason. I currently have 20 fry, six weeks old now, from that pairing. The first ones are starting to show a bit of blue color. I'm not sure what color they will be, as I don't know to what extend the 'blue alien' breeds true, and I don't know how closely related the male and this female might be.

My male will not make 'free floating' nests. He will only make his nest underneath the floating leaf of a water lily, so he wants the nest to be covered at the top.

The two females live together in a 10 gallon. They flared and chased each other for the first few days, but Frank's female is quite a bit smaller than the other one, so it was clear who would be the boss of the tank. They never hurt each other; I watched very closely since I was worried for the smaller female. They don't have stress stripes and they beg for food whenever I come near the tank, so they seem to be doing well.
The male went into a tank with a school of boraras merah. My previous regular betta splendens male lived with them and made sure they knew who was boss. The blue alien male was very nice to them and they started nipping his fins, and he let them. So I moved him to the tank with the females while preparing amother tank for him to be in by himself (I did not expect the 2f+1m betta in 10 gallons to work out). The females were happy to have him and the older female immediately started breeding with him again - there was no nest. And then 5 days later the pair bred again - I stopped counting at 200 eggs. Frank's female now has eggs as well (can tell from her belly) and would like to breed but the male is too exhausted, plus the older female won't let her at him. They've been in the tank together for 2 weeks now. I still have a tank ready for the male, but they are so peaceful with each other, it has not been necessary to move him.
They have been completely uninterested in their tank mates: various snails, shrimp (neocaridina), and some dwarf cory catfish with their (mostly grown now) offspring [yes, they are getting a bigger tank].

I have no fry from these latest breedings because the male did not tend the nest. I believe this is because I haven't been able to get live foods over the christmas and new year break. The male will eat pellets or frozen food only when he really must, so I think he just doesn't have the energy right now. I'd been feeding them mainly live food before Christmas. The females will eat anything I drop in the tank, so they are well fed still.
Otherwise, he may not like having the two females with him and the nest; I'm considering the possibility but don't think it likely.
The third possibility is not enough tannins. In the breeding tank, I had the water dark tea coloured with tannins. Their current tank water is only slightly tan.

When the male abandoned the nest, the female took over. She actually helped collect the eggs right after breeding and brought them up to put them in the nest. Then she stayed beneath the nest guarding it, waiting for the male to come back. She also went to pick up any eggs that fell down and put them back. She wasn't able to make bubbles though so more and more eggs fell down and the corys ate them.
When I get the male fattened up on live foods and they breed again, I will leave both parents with the nest/fry. With the female so ready to help out, it seems natural.

Finally, my water parameters are
550 uS/cm
7-10 deg GH (115-200 ppm)
pH 7
NO2/NO3 not detectable

So this definitely is not soft water. They came in very soft water and I drop-acclimated them to my water over several hours. So far they are doing well. Their colors are beautiful, especially while they are displaying for the opposite sex.

On that note, they change their colors rapidly depending on mood and social signaling. For example: The smaller female will swim up to the male and be shining blue with tan vertical breeding stripes. Then the other female notices and swims up to them as well. The smaller female immediately loses most of the blue color and turns tan. This is apparently a display of submission; I see the same behaviour in my boraras. Did not know that bettas were able to change their color this rapidly though. The blue color comes back just as rapidly as it vanished as soon as the bigger female swims away.

I have oak leaves and elder cones in the tanks. The tanks are heavily planted with live plants, both submerged and floating. The pH usually goes a bit below 7 once the water sits in the tank for a bit, but I'm doing a lot of water changes at the moment since the tank is so full, so it keeps resetting to my out-of-the-tap pH.
 
My daughter-in-law and I drove into the edge of Houston today and I saw a tank with aliens at 360 Aquatics.

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Big thanks to ImaginaryNumber for sharing ..
I know my experience may not be others but these fish are great !
I decided to let the females loose in both tanks even letting the multicolor have 2 females .
I am not sure what those three are up to but I am watching them .
Now the blues seem to spawn every week if not couple days ..I know fry are tiny but I have not seen anything but tails hanging from his nest under the plant leave ..
But today when trying to gently change a little water and remove a little mulm what do I see ??
2 fry right out in front corners maybe the size of 2- 4week old rams ! Maybe 1/4 inch !
I am so surprised and excited about this ..Hopefully a video will show them better then these pics [you guys know I am not best picture taker ] !
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Pretty psyched !
 
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It’s nice to see another NYer that loves aliens!!
Thanks your thread really helped and motivated me !
Are you still in NY or just from there ? I have lived my whole life in the Capital District area .
I am trying to make room and may go on a fry hunt in the tank soon .
I am seeing so far that maybe I don't need to really sort them to quickly ?
Lots of learning to do with these guys still ..
 

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Thanks your thread really helped and motivated me !
Are you still in NY or just from there ? I have lived my whole life in the Capital District area .
I am trying to make room and may go on a fry hunt in the tank soon .
I am seeing so far that maybe I don't need to really sort them to quickly ?
Lots of learning to do with these guys still ..

Born & bred NY! Still there. Also in the capital District too. Close to Lake George but a few exits away

That’s funny because I found a thread where you talked about shipping fish super informative! I’m doing my first shipment soon.

New breeder and I’ve never dealt with aliens. However I’m planning on getting a few after a spring vacation and breeding those. So I have loved looking at your thread and seeing all the cute pictures! I love alien betta, they have such unique markings.

Do you mean sort like separate the genders? If so then yes. That won’t be needed until six weeks old or older. Then you have to individually house all the males. But again, that’s for your average betta, and alien betta seem to be very different in many regards so I’m not certain what would be best for them.
 
Thank you all for the nice welcome to the forum.

Congratulations on the fry coralbandit!
I caught the fry from the breeding tank when they were 2 weeks old and put them in a breeder box. I removed all the plants and hide-outs to catch them. Then I did a water change and put plants back in. 4 weeks later I found 6 more fry in that tank. I have no idea where they had been hiding, or what they ate. But they were as big as the ones I had caught and put in the breeding box, and that got fed every day. Since they hide so well, I imagine you probably have a lot more fry than the 2 or 3.

On the breeding front here: After 3 days of mosquito larvae and tubifex worms my male got *very* interested in the females again. The older female didnt't let the younger one near him and I want some offspring from her so I put the older female in a tank by herself. For practical reasons, I left the male and younger female in the 10 gallon tank. The younger one immediately coloured up deep blue and showed the male her breeding stripes. When I came home from work yesterday, he had built a nest. In the back corner of the tank of course, even though I set up a nice big water lily leaf for him in the front corner. Now his nest is taking up the entirety of a smaller leaf in the back, where I can't take a picture. Anyway, he had made the nest and no eggs. I guess this female is more demanding. She went over there, swam a round under the nest, and then destroyed it! The male shooed her away and started re-building. Maybe an hour later, the female swam under the nest again, they did some nudging each other and then she destroyed the nest again.
I guess he finally got it right, because today when I came home, I saw eggs in the nest, and the male is guarding it. He completely ignores the cory catfish but he keeps chasing the female away now. I guess he doesn't want her help. He has not hurt her so I will leave her with him for now. He did just viciously attack a snail that got too close to the eggs.


My 7 week old fry are in my shrimp tank. So 20 fry in 5 gallons plus the shrimp. The fry definitely chase and nudge each other, but nothing to the point where I feel like I have to separate any. The tank does have lots of hiding places for the smaller fry.
They live in 26C water and for 2 weeks over Christmas only got live foods once per day and fry powder the rest of the day (which they do not like to eat). Keeping them in 30C water and giving them all the live food they can eat might lead to faster development.

The tank to separate the males is cycling right now and should be good to go this weekend. I improvised/built it myself, I can post pictures if anyone is interested. It's 5 gallon, filtered, and can house 7 individual males while they grow out. The dividers are removable so I can make flexible-sized compartments. I'm not tending n individual unfiltered containers, since I do have a day job.


This is the pair currently breeding:

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And here are the 7 week old fry:
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Thank you all for the nice welcome to the forum.

Congratulations on the fry coralbandit!
I caught the fry from the breeding tank when they were 2 weeks old and put them in a breeder box. I removed all the plants and hide-outs to catch them. Then I did a water change and put plants back in. 4 weeks later I found 6 more fry in that tank. I have no idea where they had been hiding, or what they ate. But they were as big as the ones I had caught and put in the breeding box, and that got fed every day. Since they hide so well, I imagine you probably have a lot more fry than the 2 or 3.

On the breeding front here: After 3 days of mosquito larvae and tubifex worms my male got *very* interested in the females again. The older female didnt't let the younger one near him and I want some offspring from her so I put the older female in a tank by herself. For practical reasons, I left the male and younger female in the 10 gallon tank. The younger one immediately coloured up deep blue and showed the male her breeding stripes. When I came home from work yesterday, he had built a nest. In the back corner of the tank of course, even though I set up a nice big water lily leaf for him in the front corner. Now his nest is taking up the entirety of a smaller leaf in the back, where I can't take a picture. Anyway, he had made the nest and no eggs. I guess this female is more demanding. She went over there, swam a round under the nest, and then destroyed it! The male shooed her away and started re-building. Maybe an hour later, the female swam under the nest again, they did some nudging each other and then she destroyed the nest again.
I guess he finally got it right, because today when I came home, I saw eggs in the nest, and the male is guarding it. He completely ignores the cory catfish but he keeps chasing the female away now. I guess he doesn't want her help. He has not hurt her so I will leave her with him for now. He did just viciously attack a snail that got too close to the eggs.


My 7 week old fry are in my shrimp tank. So 20 fry in 5 gallons plus the shrimp. The fry definitely chase and nudge each other, but nothing to the point where I feel like I have to separate any. The tank does have lots of hiding places for the smaller fry.
They live in 26C water and for 2 weeks over Christmas only got live foods once per day and fry powder the rest of the day (which they do not like to eat). Keeping them in 30C water and giving them all the live food they can eat might lead to faster development.

The tank to separate the males is cycling right now and should be good to go this weekend. I improvised/built it myself, I can post pictures if anyone is interested. It's 5 gallon, filtered, and can house 7 individual males while they grow out. The dividers are removable so I can make flexible-sized compartments. I'm not tending n individual unfiltered containers, since I do have a day job.


This is the pair currently breeding:

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And here are the 7 week old fry:
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This is awesome!
 
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Holy colored up fry /juvies ! They are beautiful !
My second tank with the multicolor m/f and the green female is spawning today .
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I suspect like you say ImaginaryNumber the lesser female[ the green ] is hiding ..I will make allowances for her in the future ..
I have no clue what I am doing but I will be consistent as I have found that to be the best for fish .
So that is BBS 2x a day and other food as often as I can get it to them ..
 
Haha coralbandit no clue here either. I've only raised cory catfish before. Well and platy's though that wasn't on purpose and the question there was less "how do I get fry to survive" and more "how do I get them to stop multiplying". I fed these fry infusoria for some days, and alternate BBS and microworms since, with the powdered fry food over Christmas due to vacation (not sure if they ate any of that; my neighbour did come and feed them microworms once per day), and recently brine shrimp eggs. Started them on tubifex now, and today they learned about fruit flies (drosophila). So funny watching them figure out how to catch the flies from the water surface. I ended up having to freeze the flies so the fry could practice on dead flies first. The live ones kept escaping.


So a couple of days ago I came home from work and no more eggs in the bubble nest. I'm not sure what happened. Did the female sneak up and eat them? Was the male stressed from keeping the female away and a snail was able to get past him? No clue.

So I put the second female back with the first and placed the male in the breeding tank to condition them separately. And found another fry. Did I think I caught all fry when I emptied the whole breeding tank to get them? Sure did. Did I think I finally got all fry some weeks later after I found another 6 that somehow had escaped the first attempt to get them? Sure did. Also checked that tank for more wayward fry every day for several days. It's not a big tank and it's only half full of water. It does have a thicket of plants and some oak leaves, lots of snails, but these fry are not tiny anymore. In between I had removed the heater since I needed it elsewhere, changed the water, did some cleaning before putting the male in and now ... there's him (or her):
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Put it in the small container so I could check it over. It has a full stomach and looks healthy. Bit smaller than its siblings, though even in that group, which has been getting fed 5 times a day, there are one or two on the smaller side, about the same size as this straggler. What has it been eating for the past 6 weeks? Beats me. I do have cyclops and very few of some tiny worms probably of the macrostomum family in the tanks, but the group of fry cleared all the cyclops out as far as I could tell and the cory's go nuts for the little worms; there couldn't have been many in there for this fry to live off.

So I've been for the last 2 weeks teaching the group of fry to accept brine shrimp decapsulated eggs since I'll be away most of next week, and now this extra fry isn't even sure if microworms, which I offered, are edible.

Do I put it in the shrimp tank with its siblings? I fear putting it back in the breeding tank and leaving it to fend for itself might not go well, since it will need more food as it gets bigger.

Some of the bigger fry are dropping the black stripes and going full-on blue. Also, two are turning green/yellow, which I'm excited about since I like variety.
 
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My phone is down so I can't video ..
I lost the male blue but fortunately I will say there are maybe 20 fry swimming in his memory with the female now ..
I am still not seeing any fry in the multicolor tank but both male and female are active ?
The largest fry are now showing blue and maybe 3/4 of an inch in total ..I am impressed myself ..
 
So sorry you lost the male coralbandit. Do you know what happened?

I moved the 7 biggest fry into the separation tank last weekend. They don't like that and some broke out of their sections to be with a sibling. The plastic wall bent outward a bit with the pressure of the water, just enough that they can switch sections. I'm sure a couple of them are female; I separated just by size, so the smaller fry in the shrimp tank get more of the food. So I think it's fine if they want to pair up. Some female fry are starting to show breeding stripes.
They hatched nearly 9 weeks ago. Most are completely coloured; just 5 still have the black stripes on beige body. I have a few dark blue ones (the color of the parents) but I also have a some green, silver, turquois, and blue/purple ones. I'm surprised there is such variety in color. Now I want to keep all of them.
The coverage in color is a bit less than the parents. Especially in the 'neck' area most have little color, and all of them have a few scales on the side that are not coloured.
One of the nicest blue fry (best color coverage) seems to have a problem with a bent spine. It has a bit of a 'hunchback' look and has trouble swimming horizontally. At least it eats well and displays for the siblings so I don't think it's in pain.

Some pictures. This was before I moved the biggest to their own place.
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The plastic is not perfectly transparent so the pictures are not that great. Most of them did lose some color as soon as I separated them, and have not gotten it back.

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They prefer to be with siblings.
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The separation tank has an oversized filter and live plants so I don't worry much about keeping the bottom spotless.


A couple of days ago I put my male and the smaller female into the breeding tank again and there is a nest now, but I'm not sure about eggs. Wish me luck that it works out this time around. I really want fry from that pairing.
 
My male has a new batch of eggs!
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I tricked him by placing black background foil around the front corner of the tank. I set up a spawning aid for him with the palm bark. It's fixed so it stays at a 45 degree angle in the water. He built his nest right against it.
Now I can remove the foil to check on his nest easily.

I made sure the water is stained orange with tannins. I removed the female when they finished spawning so he is alone in the tank now. There's an air-driven sponge filter which I turned very low. Temp is 26C. He's been minding the nest since yesterday afternoon so it looks like he'll actually see it through this time.
Last time, many fry disappeared around week 2. My ideas are a) problem with the water (no water changes and filter on very low), b) not enough food, c) mutations that rendered them unfit (inbreeding). The water tested fine then, but I'm paranoid so I added some ammonia absorber just to be on the safe side. I also added a large chunk of moss and I feed the tank with baby shrimp/water flea food. This food is a very fine powder (particle size down to 10um) beloved by filter feeders. I plan to have a good population of infusoria and cyclops established in the tank by the time the fry need to eat. I also have cultures of two types of infusoria, a bigger and a smaller type, to supplement what will grow by itself in the tank.
Last time, I fed them first microworms and then BBS. The microworms tend to sink so I'm not sure they were very available to the fry, who look for food near the surface. So I got vinegar eels and japanese water fleas (the really tiny ones) ready for this batch of fry (in addition to BBS); both stay in the water column. And yes, my bathroom does look like a microbiology exhibit. I went to one last week and they showed the food chain from 'green water' to fish via infusoria, cyclops, water fleas, mosquito larvae. That's what my bathroom looks like, except they had much better microscopes at the exhibit.

The female does have an injury on her back. It looks like a scrape, so I think when he chased her she must have scraped against something. She's otherwise unharmed and the scrape is already healing over.
 

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Ok here are the guys and girls with momma making an appearance near end ..Which turns out to be first video and short .
Walking on the moon seemed right for Alien Bettas ?
 
That's amazing! There is definitely something special in the coralbandit fishroom water !!

I agree. Candlelight and some Luther Vandross music?
 
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I've gotten away with moon lights and Bobby Caldwell so far !
This was supposed to be the video..
 
coralbandit looks like you'll get different colors as well. One of my juveniles did get perfect color coverage now, I'm so thrilled.
You said the other pair was spawning but no fry yet right?

By Saturday night, all the eggs were gone from the new nest (the nest was mostly gone also) but the male was still acting like he had a nest to tend until Sunday afternoon. So this was not him abandoning the nest, and the setup is the same as the successful spawn. There were no other fish to eat the eggs, and he was vicious with any snail that dared come close. This is the 3rd time he spawned with the smaller female but then the eggs disappeared within a day. Now I'm wondering if there is a problem that maybe the eggs are not fertile so that he has to remove them himself. Maybe the smaller female is not after all mature enough yet. While she should be 6 months old now, she is still much smaller than the other female (who should be the same age). Considering the large difference in size (thus development speed?) of the juveniles I have, this may not be crazy. Even two of my juveniles have breeding stripes now but they can't be fertile yet.

I'll let the bigger female to him again next.

The fighting among the juveniles is getting more serious now. I'll have to fix up the separation tank so they cannot switch compartments.
 
Hey everybody I know Alien bettas have been discussed here but does anyone have info specific to them or keep them ?
I mentioned my interest in them after reading ,seeing pictures and actually seeing them at the Aquatic Expo early this fall ..
I believe around the end of this week ,maybe next week Santa is supposed to deliver " a couple pair" of Aliens in Christmas colors ..
I am the ram guy ..I know little about these fish in particular ..
Help me you guys I have precious time to prepare.. They arrived in HawaiI yesterday so my buddy says he may ship them Thurs ..
He is acclimating them and trying to observe ...
Oh, you are tha ram guy? I thought you are the salty guy? I think it's because of your profile picture as some people who keep salty fish and use blue light. Sorry..
 
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Oh, you are tha ram guy? I thought you are the salty guy? I think it's because of your profile picture as some people who keep salty fish and use blue light. Sorry..
I am the ram guy !
I also have a reef tank .. You can diversify a little when you have 60 tanks !
 
I am the ram guy !
I also have a reef tank .. You can diversify a little when you have 60 tanks !
Oh, so you are the salty ram guy with 60 tanks??
 
I thought I'd give a quick update. I have a new batch of fry between the male and the bigger female. They are coming on 3 weeks old now. They didn't have the best starting conditions - the male was not doing the greatest job minding the eggs. First he had a regular big nest, then for some reason he built 2 more nests in different parts of the tank and distributed the eggs between them. So while he was minding one nest, eggs fell out of the other 2 and got eaten by snails. I didn't think any fry made it and put him back in the regular tank and ignored the breeding tank for a week. When I noticed there were fry in it, I also noticed the heater had broken and the water was much too cold.
I don't know how many fry there are in the tank now; my wild guess is 15 to 20. They are growing faster than the last batch. I'd been feeding the tank baby-shrimp food to bring up the population of small crtiters, and every drop of water in there is by now teeming with cyclops, cocepoda, japanese water fleas, and a variety of tiny worms and nematodes. So the fry are swimming tasty treats.

I still don't know why the eggs he has had with the smaller female didn't hatch.
The fish have been uninterested in breeding for the past 3 weeks though today I came home to a large bubble nest (no eggs) in the regular tank the three of them share. This is the biggest nest he's built yet and there are bubbles all over the tank. I can't separate out one of the females since all my tanks are taken up with fry, so if I come home to eggs I won't know by which female.

The males from my first batch of fry have been building bubble nests so it's time to send them to their new homes. I ended up with about 3/4 males and 1/4 females. That's unless even more fish I thought were female turn out to be male
 
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I thought I'd give a quick update. I have a new batch of fry between the male and the bigger female. They are coming on 3 weeks old now. They didn't have the best starting conditions - the male was not doing the greatest job minding the eggs. First he had a regular big nest, then for some reason he built 2 more nests in different parts of the tank and distributed the eggs between them. So while he was minding one nest, eggs fell out of the other 2 and got eaten by snails. I didn't think any fry made it and put him back in the regular tank and ignored the breeding tank for a week. When I noticed there were fry in it, I also noticed the heater had broken and the water was much too cold.
I don't know how many fry there are in the tank now; my wild guess is 15 to 20. They are growing faster than the last batch. I'd been feeding the tank baby-shrimp food to bring up the population of small crtiters, and every drop of water in there is by now teeming with cyclops, cocepoda, japanese water fleas, and a variety of tiny worms and nematodes. So the fry are swimming tasty treats.

I still don't know why the eggs he has had with the smaller female didn't hatch.
The fish have been uninterested in breeding for the past 3 weeks though today I came home to a large bubble nest (no eggs) in the regular tank the three of them share. This is the biggest nest he's built yet and there are bubbles all over the tank. I can't separate out one of the females since all my tanks are taken up with fry, so if I come home to eggs I won't know by which female.

The males from my first batch of fry have been building bubble nests so it's time to send them to their new homes. I ended up with about 3/4 males and 1/4 females. That's unless even more fish I thought were female turn out to be male
That's great and love hearing of your success..I only ever see tiny bubble nest in either tank still..
I am patiently waiting to see if fry ever come from the multI color tank ! I think the male is mean ?? The female looks tired and I think often to remove her and place her with the gang .. In the gang momma looks to quickly be showing her age and hangs around without much activity ..
Here is the gang ! The camera seems to catch their may be several colors there from the blues !
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This is Mr. Mean the multI !
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You have a nice big gang there! Indeed, looks like you're getting several colors as well. I wonder at the genetics for the colors. I have a couple of beautiful green juveniles, a male and a female, and am thinking of breeding them. Wonder if the fry will all be green, or if you get all colors again.
 
So the more males I separate into their own containers, the more fishes I thought were female turn out to be male. It looks now like I only have 2 females in the whole batch. Can you tell the gender of your juveniles already coralbandit ? I wonder if this is a fluke or if the gender ratio is typically skewed toward males.
 
I couldn’t resist. Bought my first alien pair. They’re too lovely!

coralbandit You, sir, are a bad influence! And I love that! Lol! Let’s take over NY with these bad boys
 

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