Yes Yes Yes! Installing Tank for Dentist

[newbie101]

Yay!!!!!!!!!!
So now I can finally do something with my MTS!!!!!
I convinced my dentists office to get a fish tank and I'm going to set it up and take care of it for them.  It's going to be anywhere from 29-55 gallons, but they said the bigger the better (I was thinking "this is going to be fun" muahahaaaaaa)  The dentist is going to Petsmart tomorrow or saturday to look at the tank kits and stands.  A lot of the tanks are on super-sale but it ends on the 19th, so YES they have to hurry up...
I am leaning toward angelfish.  Because they are good-looking and fun to watch, and not too expensive either (I've seen some at my LFS and in fish catalogs for only $4-$5 for some nice ones)  If for some reason I can't get angelfish I would get gouramies, as they are pretty too.  What bottom feeder do you all think I should get?  Cories?  Or...Hillstream Loaches (since I wouldn't have sand for kuhlis and Hillstreams are almost as cool 8))?
I feel like I should be paying THEM for letting me do this, instead of them paying ME...
Woohoo this is going to be so fun!

 

[Gunnie]

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Good going! I think angels would be good for that tank. Keep in mind that if it's in their waiting room, kids are constantly gonna be tapping at the glass and being mean to your fish, so you don't want to get anything too delicate to handle this. Gouramis would also be a good choice. I also like the cory idea. Man, if it's a 55 gallon, you could have a ton of corys all over the bottom of that tank. Not sure of the hillstream loaches though since Butterfly says they like cooler water. They would probably hide all the time anyway. Hopefully someone will also be able to keep an eye on the tank during the day to make sure no one opens the lid and feeds them or drops stuff in the tank that could hurt them. Kids do things like that. Congrats and have fun with this. And don't forget the low light live plants (anubias, java ferns, java moss, cryptocornes.......)!

 

[newbie101]

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Oh yes I want to plant it, something like Isabella's (gorgeous!)
And we were going to get a hex or octagon tall tank for that purpose, of keeping small hands out. I made some measurements and any little kid tall enough to open the lid (it's a pretty big stand) should also be old enough to know to keep their hands out of the tank.

 

[newbie101]

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We aren't getting a hex tall though because they are really expensive, the best price I could find at Petsmart was $170 for a 44 gallon hex and $120 for the stand. That doesn't even include filter heater etc.

 

[atmmachine816]

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Dont get a Hex or oct since you can't get as many fish in it due to the such small water surface what you should do is tell them to get a canopy that covers the light and everything and put a lock on it, my grandma's nursing home has this on a 125gallon tank and nobody can get in the tank who doesn't have the key or combination and they also have it on their 55gallon.  But angels would be so cool with cories, and if you got a 55 you could get like 6 angels and tons of cories and maybe a bristlenose pleco as an algae eater.

 

[newbie101]

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Yes the tallness is another reason I don't really think they should get a hex...Taller ones you can't put very many fish in also and they said they don't want the fish to look crowded in too small a tank.

 

[fish_r_friend]

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good for you I wish I could do somthin like that :-[

 

[Butterfly]

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Angels like warm water-80F and no current.
Hillstreams like cooler temps 68-75F and lots of current.
a large group of cories would be nice for the bottom.
Danios or neons would be nice for dithers.
Carol

 

[Craig]

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that sounds immense lol wish I could get a bigger tank maybe sum day I will !! but well done and good luck with it!

C W

 

[chickadee]

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You go, Girl! ;D

 

[0morrokh]

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Sweet! And they're paying YOU to do it??!!!!! I gotta pull something like that with my dentist! How did you talk him/her unto it?
Yes, Angels would be nice, and tetras too, although I wouldn't personally risk keeping tiny Neons with Angels. Off hand, I know that Lemon and Black Widow Tetras are bigger than Neons, and hardier than most tetras too. A bunch of Cories, maybe both regular and albino Bronze Cories, would be awesome too. Just a few ideas.
Maybe you could keep something heavy, like paperweights, on the door thingy on the canopy so little kids can't open it. I would also post a sign to parents telling them not to let kids tap on the glass, and a sign to the dentist employees that they are not supposed to feed the fish.
Wow, that's so cool that you get to do this! Let us know how the project is coming!!

 

[Marc]

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Yes, make a little guide for the basic care that they can keep ready. Then make a larger manual around for them for waterchanges and the like, then leave your number in case there is a death or they're acting funny.

It'd look nice to have several varieties in angels - koi, normal, and all of the different striped ones, just for color. They'd look lovely mixed in with some of the larger tetras and some live plants. Then a few Corydoras in the bottom (6 trilineatus, reticulatus, or juliI would look GREAT) to finish it off.

 

[newbie101]

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Okay I'm going over there in a few minutes...the office is closed today and the dentist went to petsmart and got a octagon tank and stand, and she said she talked to the employees (shudder) and they helped her get everything she needs. I just hope she didn't get fish. And I hope she didn't get too much junk...yikes!
And 0morrokh the staff actually are going to feed the fish, because I can't come in every day, so I'm going to keep the food at my house and put each day's portion in a little pill box with the days marked on it when I come in once a week for the water change and cleaning.
So in a taller tank, could I still have a pair of angels with some tetras? Or would that be too much for the tall tank.
And ugh, I'm going to have a harder time planting it. Does anyone have a picture of a tall, planted tank? I really need some ideas, I don't want it to look like a kelp forest with a bunch of stringy plants.

 

[off-ice]

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I might of missed it, but what size tank did they end up getting?

I would assume stock lighting, so I would suggest crypts, anubias and ferns for the plants.

Something like balansae, spiralis or retrospiralis for the back. (I'm partial to balansae, but it depends on the size of the tank.)





I can give you more ideas, but need to know the size of the tank first.

 

[atmmachine816]

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sorry to get a little off topic but off-ice what type of tall plants for the tank could I grow in my 29 under a 20w bulb

 

[off-ice]

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I would suggest the same plants I linked to in my post above. I have a couple tanks I do this very thing in. They don't grow fast, but they do grow.

 

[newbie101]

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Okay, I'm going to get a special plant light, they have some at Walmart (like FloraLight I think)
She's really enthusiastic about this whole thing and when she found out that she could have real plants she was even more enthusiastic, because she got a couple very fake-looking fake plants at petsmart and wasn't too excited about those.
The tank is 30 gallons, it is set up except for the decor, so it's not quite filled all the way to allow for that. Filter and heater are running, and there is Stress Coat andStress Zyme inthe water. And another ? will putting more Stress Zyme than the package says, make the cycle go faster? And will more of it, more often, have a negative effect somehow?
Now that I know it's 30 gallons, I think I have a flexible (except for the angels, I know we want those) stock plan. Is it ok?
2 or 4 Angelfish
6 or so either Hatchetfish or Neon/Cardinal Tetras
about 4 cory cats, or one small pleco (like bristlenose or bulldog)

If that is not fully stocked, any suggestions on other fish? And if it is...

 

[chickadee]

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I never had any luck with StressZyme doing anything to help with the cycling process at all, Emma. I wish I could give you something to use as an alternative, but as far as I know the only thing that really is a guarantee to help with the cycling process is Bio-spira and that is an INSTANT cycle. (but it is also hard to find and has to be bought from reputable dealers because it needs special handling and if they haven't handled it right it is useless.) I wouldn't bother with the StressZyme or at least be ready to wait out the full cycle process, but don't expect to have it last less than 4 weeks. The only other thing that might shorten it is to get some used gravel or filter media from some other established tank and use in the tank for a quick-up.

Good luck and have fun!

Rose

 

[Marc]

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My MalawI tank was cycled after two days - Aquaclear filter, used BioZyme, poured AquaPlus brand dechlorinator directly into the filter. This dechlorinator also has StressZyme stuff in it. So I guess it wouldn't hurt to try

(I had used some of my tank water but my mom poured straight tap water to fill the rest so all the bacteria died)

 

[Butterfly]

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Emma two angels at the most, Hatchets will need lots of top space to swim and will irritate the angels if they don't have enough room. I would suggest a larger type neon as the Angels may eat the cardinals.
Corys and a small pleco are good, again depending on whether its a tall or rectangle tank.If its a tall tank the foot print is too small for Corys and a pleco.
All of these are sensitive to the cycling process.
The plants off-ice suggested are awe some in a tank.
Carol

 

[atmmachine816]

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You could do a tank like mine and get some angels depending if its a tall tank or not, harlequin rasboras, bristlenose pleco, and guppies if you have room. the pleco I haven't got yet but will and bristlenoses will clean up the bottom and side of you tank and when the guppies have babies the angels will love them as a snack and the rasboras and angels get along fine and that way you can have big and smalll fish at the same time.

 

[newbie101]

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thanks
And YES I just had an idea, I can put my filter cartridge in their tank for a few days right? But my dad just washed it in tap water. Will this make that not work? ???

 

[chickadee]

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that will slow the process down some as you have lost some of your bacteria after that tap water wash. (should have been used tank water) But it will probably be faster than just a plain cycle.

Rose


ps I am doing the ammonia fishless cycle on the tank for my "hopefully" new little SISTER for Marty and Noel and hope it is ready in a week. I had filter media tucked away in the corner of Marty's tank for the last 7 days to put in the filter also. I am already getting nitrate readings after 2 days, but I am not sure if they will last and if the nitrite readings will not rise.

 

[fish_r_friend]

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ps I am doing the ammonia fishless cycle on the tank for my "hopefully" new little SISTER for Marty and Noel and hope it is ready in a week. I had filter media tucked away in the corner of Marty's tank for the last 7 days to put in the filter also. I am already getting nitrate readings after 2 days, but I am not sure if they will last and if the nitrite readings will not rise.

are you going to be breeding bettas then

 

[atmmachine816]

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So Emma what size and type of tank did they end up getting. And PLEEEAASSSEE tell me how you convinces them to get a fish tank I would like to know so bad. I am going to my orthodontist in two days and maybe I can convince him to get a tank. Please tell me

Thanks

Austin

 

[chickadee]

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I haven't won the bid yet although I really believe I shall. The thought of breeding bettas makes my knees go weak to tell you the truth. I have real issues with losing any fish and I am not sure I could survive losing fry. I also know that the danger to a female betta is very real during the spawning process. Many of them are killed after spawning by the male. She is just 2 months old so it will be a little while and Marty is the only one young enough to really be a viable breeding choice for a mate. They would have beautiful babies. Hmm.... have to give it a lot of careful thought. would have to be able to find homes for them as I would not have any more room.

Rose

 

[Jason]

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I would suggest a larger type neon as the Angels may eat the cardinals.
Carol

Correct me if I'm wrong but don't cardinals grow larger than other neons. Cardinals 5cm (2in), Neon tetras 4cm (1.5"+) and Black neons 3-4cm (1.5in)

 

[Isabella]

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This is a wonderful thing for you Emma. Good luck with the tank! Your dentist's office will now look lovely.

 

[atmmachine816]

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:'(Please tell me how you convinced you dentist to let you do this, I might be able to convince my detist tomorrow when I go.

 

[fish_r_friend]

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lol

 

[newbie101]

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:'(Please tell me how you convinced you dentist to let you do this, I might be able to convince my detist tomorrow when I go.

okay sorry this took so long, I'm sure you're dying to know lol
I wrote up a little report, with reasons why they should get an aquarium (it's relaxing, soothing, natural de-stressor, as well as being a nice decorative piece, etc.) and telling them that I would do it for $5 a week and free set-up (you don't have to do a free set-up, but I wouldn't recommend anything over like $5-$10) and saying that I have knowledge of, and experience (hehehe if you call a 10 gallon experience lol) with aquariums, and I have helped a few of my friends with their tanks. Also I included an estimate of how much things would cost.

Good luck!!!!!

 

[atmmachine816]

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and how much did you tell them it would cost to get everything you would need to start a brand new tank including food fish and everything

just curious



lucky me last time I was in the nurse people wanted a fish tank I think unless they were joking and maybe I can convince him to get one, only problem is he has THREE offices in three different cities

 

[atmmachine816]

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I am thinking around 100-125$ for a brand new 10 gallon 75-100$ for 20 long 200$ for 30. That includes stand tank and lid and through in another 150 for decorations filter and heater so you are looking at a grand total of:
10-250$
20 long-250
30-350$
75-400$

What do you guys think and please tell me what you told your dentist Emma

 

[newbie101]

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I think that you should get a bigger tank than 10 gallons, as there aren't very many good fish you can put in them. I'd say go with at LEAST 20-30 gallons. Don't forget the option of getting a used tank! I've found so many awesome deals thru the newspaper...like "50 gallon aquarium, custom oak stand, all accessories, $100" and the tank was only a month old and the people decided they couldn't take care of it!

 

[newbie101]

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well today she went to Petsmart and got plants luckily it seems she got some good ones, and she got a fake coral that I have to say looks good in there, I put in all the plants and it actually looks pretty cool. I'll have to post a pic
So we are going to get:
2 angelfish
6 or so neon tetras
4 corys

 

[Marc]

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Try and get something cool like Trilineatus or Reticulatus for the Corydoras

 

[fish_r_friend]

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Try and get something cool like Trilineatus or Reticulatus for the Corydoras

I got Trilineatus from petsmart so you might be able to get some there

 

[newbie101]

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Besides the juliis I haven't seen any other corys besides the bronze and albino...Any suggestions for another option for bottom feeder?
Anyway I didn't get to finish that post. Could we put any blue dwarf gouramis in there? The dentist wants something blue, in addition to the neons.
But is it the neons that are bigger or the cardinals? I want to get whichever is bigger but I'm confused ???

 

[fish_r_friend]

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cardinals are the biggest for a blue bottom feeder a blue lobster but that might not work

 

[newbie101]

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well the bottom feeder doesn't have to be blue but she was thinking it would be nice to have a blue fish (or more than one)
Oh and I forgot can we have a little frog in there? The kind that live submerged?

 

[fish_r_friend]

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oh a blue platy if you can find one

 

[newbie101]

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oh wow I have never seen one of those that's awesome they made a color like that

 

[fish_r_friend]

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yep I'm going to get some for my big tank(if I can find some )

 

[fish_r_friend]

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theres also blue guppies and blue veil danios if your tank had more space also blue bettas but I wouldn't get one because of the angels

 

[newbie101]

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yarr

 

[atmmachine816]

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Ok well I could get a 20 long with filter for 30$ and a 75 gallon with a bunch of accesiories for 250$ which is a really good deal but I don't think thye will do it.

blue crawfish is a no no as it will eat all your fish, if you are going to get neon tetras be carful of the ntd disease but I would go for the cardinal and let them get full grown before you put in the angels and make sure the tank is fully mature before you put the cories in and bronze cories are cool too my grandpa had some and they were very active and got along great with angels.

 

[0morrokh]

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The Cardinal-Neon thing has come up several times, and from everything I've read, Cardinals are 2 in while Neons are only 1.5 in. I would not recommend keeping neons with Angels.
I'm still so jealous you get to do this!

 

[newbie101]

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HAHAHA I have made you jealous!!! I am so jealous of you though, you have had 31 pets right? plus a gerbil and a rabbit now I love the little furry animals (and birds!!!!! Parrots are so cool, I guess I'm lucky to have a little one though!)

 

[0morrokh]

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Actually I don't have a Gerbil now, I used to have 2 but they both died. :'( I need to update my thingy at the bottom, ya know what I mean. Hey, I may have had a lot of pets, but I've never gotten to have any birds. Yes, parrots are really cool, but for some reason my Dad, who is usually the animal person in the family besides me, didn't want to have birds in the house. ??? And oh yeah, the 31 counts the pets I have now--you said 31 plus a Gerbil and a Rabbit now, but actually they were included. Okay, so I cheated a little. ;D And of course my 8 fish make it a lot higher... ;D

 

[vin]

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You could go with a male neon blue dwarf gourami...A boesesmanI rainbow is cool too, but although they could be kept in a 30g, they need room to swim....a longer tank would be best.....But they are really cool! Blue heads with yellow and orange posteriors.....

Even better - a German Blue Ram.....just make sure there are enough hiding places in the tank though......They're generally peaceful in a community tank as long as they have someplace to hide.