Why Are My Neon Tetras Dying? Help | Page 2

  1. Travis Bradbury

    Travis Bradbury Valued Member Member

    I'm sorry I need to clarify, has the tank been cycled for 2 1/2 weeks when you say 2 1/2 old, or you just started it FRESH 2 1/2 weeks ago
     
  2. 86 ssinit

    86 ssinit Well Known Member Member

    I think 2 1/2 weeks running 1 week cycled. Hey he’s new. Op now read how to do a fish in cycle.
     
  3. Sacksteder kid

    Sacksteder kid Valued Member Member

    I hope putting these posts right next to each other clears things up Travis.
     


  4. Travis Bradbury

    Travis Bradbury Valued Member Member

    Must have missed it, thanks.
     
  5. OP
    OP
    TagTeam

    TagTeam Valued Member Member

    The tank has been cycled for about a week

    I didn't test the store's pH.
    1 neon died instantly going into the tank.
    2 died the next day.
    I acclimated them by putting the store bag into my tank's water for 20 minutes and I put TSS in the water before I put them in.
     
  6. oOBlueOo

    oOBlueOo Well Known Member Member

    I'm thinking you might have had ph shock along with other things. My lfs kept his neons in ro water and I had to use his water to initially set up the tank. I had to acclimate them to hard water over months.
     


  7. RonJ

    RonJ Well Known Member Member

    Still doesn't explain how can all 0 reading possible. Did you really really shake the Nitrate test? Like add 10 drops of Solution-1 then upside down mix for 30 seconds, while shaking the other solution2 bottle violently for at least a 30 seconds. Then add 10 drops of solution 2 and then shake the mixed concoction violently for another minute? Also all other tests, you should shake violently for 5-10seconds. And results should be read only after 5minutes.
     
  8. OP
    OP
    TagTeam

    TagTeam Valued Member Member

    Yep. All that I believe.
     
  9. Sacksteder kid

    Sacksteder kid Valued Member Member

    I would say try to return the test kit. I'm 99.99999% sure that there are ammonia levels. The average is probably higher I just don't have enough room. It you still get 0 return.
     
  10. 86 ssinit

    86 ssinit Well Known Member Member

    Wow Ronj thank you I have shook the second bottle but never violently. I’ve never had a nitrate reading it’s always been 0 till yesterday. Yes I do have nitrates in my tank.
     
  11. AllieSten

    AllieSten Fishlore VIP Member

    Hi there. So if you use Seachem Prime and TSS+ too close together, then the bacteria won’t work. In fact using TSS+ and most dechlorinators will have the same issue. You must use them at least 24 hours apart for the bacteria to work.

    You filled your tank, added fish, then added TSS+. If you did this all the same day, then this is where your problem started.

    You said that you have been doing lots of water changes. This would be why your ammonia is low and possibly why you aren’t seeing nitrates.

    My guess is that the water changes are keeping your water parameters down. But that you are not cycled.

    What I would do is this. Don’t do any more water changes for the next 5 days. Instead just add Seachem Prime as a water treatment to protect your fish. You will add the full tank dose each day. That will be 2ml per day. You are using it as a detoxifier instead of dechlorinator. It is similar to how it works with a fish-in cycle. So it is perfectly safe to add it everyday. If you want to add a bottled bacteria during the 5 days, you certainly can. I don’t recommend TSS+ for this. Seachem Stability or API QuickStart would work better in this instance. Again totally up to you. If you want to wait the 5 days to decide if you are cycled first, that is perfectly acceptable too.

    During this time, check your parameters every 24 hours. After 5 days you will know if your tank is cycled or not. You will either have ammonia, which will indicate no cycle at all, or you will have nitrates which will indicate that you are cycled.

    As far as acclimation goes. You need to be sure to extend your acclimation process from now on. Neon tetras are in particular sensitive to tank conditions, so the longer acclimation the better. Do a YouTube search on drip acclimating. I personally acclimate my new stocking for 3-4 hours minimum, to prevent any sort of shock and death. pH isn’t the only issue, the amount of total dissolved solids can be an issue too. So a long slow acclimation period is better for that reason also.

    Hope this has helped some. Good luck!
     
  12. OP
    OP
    TagTeam

    TagTeam Valued Member Member

    Thank you so much!
    I just added 2ml of Prime, and I will do that for the next 5 days.
    I also have TopFin ReadiStart. Should I add 20ml of that each day too? If yes, do I add it at the same time as Prime?
     
  13. AllieSten

    AllieSten Fishlore VIP Member

    Yep. Add whatever the amount that bottle says. You can add the bacteria the same time as Prime. Tetra Safe Start is the only one you have to wait with.
     
  14. Dann

    Dann Valued Member Member

    have you tested your water for metals, neon tetras and other tetras are very sensitive to metal, if any of your tanks decor still had their stickers on them, the adhesive will poison them, also, how did you clean your tank before you set it up, any sodiums, or solvents, soaps, oils or acids can be the culprit, its best to clean your tank with only water and hydrogen peroxide, and only use a new cloth to clean it.
     
  15. Sacksteder kid

    Sacksteder kid Valued Member Member

    I left a sticker on one of my plants and I guess that may be the hidden reason they died now that you mention it. So, yes I agree.
     
  16. AllieSten

    AllieSten Fishlore VIP Member

    I doubt that one sticker would have killed all of your fish. It is more likely that they needed a longer acclimation period. If your tank water had some sort of poison from the sticker, all of your fish would have died, not just some of them.

    Most dechlorinators do neutralize heavy metals, btw. So that usually isn’t an issue at all.
     
  17. Dann

    Dann Valued Member Member

    one sticker, and only one sticker would not have been enough to kill all of your tetras, unless they were pecking at it and in my experience; that sticker would be hidden in the substrata.... so im assuming there is more to it than a single sticker, many stickers is a problem but one shouldn't be a problem, it would probably increase stress but not outright death.

    does your water have any color hew when viewed from above?
    what type of sub straight are you using?
    and what type of mechanical filter and chem filter mediums are you using?
    how often do yo preform maintenance?
    and do you have any photos of your tetras so we can check for desiese/viruses/parasites?
     
  18. 86 ssinit

    86 ssinit Well Known Member Member

    Little confusion here op didn’t say he had sticker in tank. That was sacks.
     
  19. Dann

    Dann Valued Member Member

    ah, didnt catch that, thanks
     
  20. AllieSten

    AllieSten Fishlore VIP Member

    Gahhhh I didn’t catch it either..