White fuzzy patches on Panda cories!!!

Heather12404
  • #1
I just noticed that 2 of my panda cories have these white fuzzy patches on them. What the heck is it and how do I make it go away before it kills them?
I love my panda cories and I don't want to lose any of them.
I'm pretty sure I'm going to lose at least 1 of them because he looks awful and his tail is shredded.
I have no hospital tank to put them in.
What do I need to go get to make it all better?
Edit: from what I have quickly read online I think it's either true fungus or columnaris.
 
Wendy Lubianetsky
  • #2
I would go get Melafix and Pimafix and put BOTH in your tank. This is the way that I use it and it has never let me down. A lot of times a fungal infection will allow a fish to catch a bacterial infection and vice versa. I have used this method with symptoms that you are talking about with excellent results. I have never lost a fish and the infection has cleared up and has not reoccured.

Good Luck. I am sure there will be someone else with a differant perspective on what you should do, but that is my methodology.
 
catsma_97504
  • #3
Columnaris will appear as raised white cottony patches. If this is what you have, be prepared for the worst as columnaris is a particularly nasty disease.

To treat columnaris you will need to drop the temperature of the tank down to 70-73F. In warmer temps this disease runs rampant and can kill fish in hours!! And, you will need to pick up both Maracyn I and Maracyn II and begin treatment immediately. Each day you delay will greatly increase the odds of losing many, if not all, of your fish.

If you are not positive on the disease, post pictures and the members can help diagnose the disease. No point in guessing when it comes to having to treat for disease.

Good luck!
 
Wendy Lubianetsky
  • #4
Did you ever see white parasite things hanging on the glass or anything else of your tank? That can sometimes be the first stage of Columaris. Any sulfa drug combination will work. But if it is columnaris and you do not treat it right away your fish will die usually within 72 hours.



Here is an article on columnaris for you. If it is something else what I mentioned should work. But, you really need to post a picture so someone can recognize what it is. It is hard to tell you what to do when I can't see the disease. Also, you can mix the PIMA and MELA fix with the sulpher drugs. It will not interact with it. You could always use all three.
 
Heather12404
  • Thread Starter
  • #5
I've got the raised cottony patches. These white fuzzy patches are raised.
My daughters are still napping, so once they wake up we will be going to the store to get Maracyn I and Maracyn II. I already dropped the temp.
I don't have a camera to post a picture.
I've got raised white fuzzy/cottony patches and shredded tails on 2 panda cories. I'm sure it can spread to everyone. I've worked hard to stock this tank and I love my fish so I don't want to lose anybody.
Thank you so much for your input.
 
Heather12404
  • Thread Starter
  • #6
Ok, I just dosed the tank with Maracyn and Maracyn II.
How long will it take to notice improvement?
So I does the tank every night at 5:30pm for 5 days. I guess if I'm wrong I'll know because the cory that is the worst will probably be dead. I don't think mixing medications is a good idea. So unless someone can correct me on that I will wait to treat with something else.
Oh I hope this works.
 
catsma_97504
  • #7
Read the package directions. I don't remember the exact instructions, but do recall them being different.

It will take a few days to notice any improvements, but you should not see any further progression.

Good luck!
 
AlyeskaGirl
  • #8
So, for a 29 gallon tank, correct?, on the first day you add 6 packets. 2nd-5th day you add 3 packets a day around the time you added the first packets.

I agree it can take a few days to see improvement. I've been down this road. Then after treatment partial daily water changes to continue healing. That is what I did.
 
nippybetta
  • #9
I started with just Maracyn 2 when my tank had columnaris. This stopped it from spreading anymore. Finally I just had a really sick angel in my 10g. Catsma's advice saved him- I gave him hydrogen peroxide baths when the Maracyn appeared to have no affect, and that helped a ton. If you want the porportions, just say so. No the angel's back in the big tank with a tiny scar on his lip that's slowly fading. Be prepared to lose fish- I think I lost 5. Columnaris is nasty business- I'm sorry if you've got it.

Maracyn and Maracyn 2 are fine together, it says so somewhere in the list of instructions. I used them both on the angel and it didn't hurt him. Don't treat with melafix because it contains an oil that will coat the labyrinth organ for the DG and suffocate him.
 
Heather12404
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  • #10
Now I'm so happy I didn't use the Melafix. I would have lost my DG "Bob"!!! He may be a butthead, but I love him and his personality.
Also I have carefully looked at all of my fish in my 29G and the only ones affected by this are the 2 panda cories. Everyone else still looks and acts healthy and happy as ever.
I will be amazed if both panda cories survive this. One of them just looks awful...white fuzzy patches on almost all of his fins and his tail is getting smaller and smaller....totally shredded. The other panda cory has a shredded tail as well, but not as bad as the first one and the only white fuzzy patch I can see is covering his eye.
If this works and I manage to save them both I would feel like a rock star! But I'm also prepared to lose them both. =(
 
nippybetta
  • #11
Well, the fact that it hasn't spread is good news. I'm not sure if a hydrogen peroxide bath works on cories, you should ask Catsma.
 
Wendy Lubianetsky
  • #12
I have read up on that issue, and I have been told that it was not true by the manufacturor and a couple of articles on the internet. I personally do not have Betta's or anything like it, so I can not say that I have put the two together successfully. One of the properties is a little foaming, which they say can be a hinderance if excessive.
 
Heather12404
  • Thread Starter
  • #13
Well this morning I was surprised to see that both cories are still breathing. The really bad one is now on his side not moving and breathing rapidly The other one had this huge cotton ball looking thing on his forehead that kept getting bigger and bigger. Well sometime in the last few hours it has gotten much smaller. So I'm happy to see some improvement. He's moving around, not breathing as rapidly as the other one. He's not swimming, but he is moving.
I'll continue to keep you all posted. I'll be amazed if the worse off cory makes it.
 
catsma_97504
  • #14
Hopefully you will continue to see improvements in your fish!
 
Heather12404
  • Thread Starter
  • #15
Woke up this morning to find 2 dead cories
But I'm going to continue with the meds to make sure the rest of my fish stay healthy.
 
nippybetta
  • #16
Oh, I'm sorry. With columnaris, your likely to get dead fish no matter what you do. Keep treating for the rest of the 5 days recommended, then do frequent water changes so the ammonia doesn't stress your fish (the medication makes you lose your cycle). On the bright side, the other fishies are fine.
 
Heather12404
  • Thread Starter
  • #17
I'm going to lose my cycle!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Now I'm freaking out. I have been through and back to get this tank cycled and now I just ruined it all!
So after the 5 days of medications should I just add yet another big bottle of TSS to get the cycle back?
Yep, officially freaking out.
 
nippybetta
  • #18
Sorry, I thought someone had already told you. You have 2 tanks, so you could take some gravel from the other one when your done with the medication and it's gotten out of the water, that should help. I don't use anything like TSS, I just did frequent water changes until the water was good again. It should be easier that last time because you already have a bacteria colony.
 
catsma_97504
  • #19
While the cycle can be affected, doing as nippy suggested will quickly get it back. There will be some bacteria that survives.

Do you have activated carbon? If not pick up a small container. Once the med course has been completed, do a 50% water change. Then add activated carbon to a nylon stocking and drop into the filter. After a month, toss the stocking.

Maracyn 1 doesn't affect the cycle; but Maracyn 2 does. I'm sorry this wasn't clear. But think of the alternative....still have your cycle and nothing but dead fish. Columnaris is nothing to mess with as it quickly can wipe out a tank.

Once the disease is gone we can help you to stabilize your tank again.

Sent from my Motorola Electrify using Tapatalk
 
Heather12404
  • Thread Starter
  • #20
I just noticed that just about everything in my tank is covered by white fuzz! What the heck is that? The temp in the tank is 72 degrees and I've added 2 doses of Maracyn I and Maracyn II...today will be day 3 of treatment at 5pm.
I'm freaking out about all the white fuzz on everything. Is that a good thing or a super bad thing? Do I clean it all off now or just wait until I'm done with meds?
 
catsma_97504
  • #21
On your other fish? Or, stuck on decor items?
 
Heather12404
  • Thread Starter
  • #22
All fish are fine, healthy, happy, swimming, eating, etc. My decor and plants however look awful! White fuzz on about 80% of everything in my tank.
What do I do?
Wait until Wednesday to do water change/gravel vac and scrub all the decor/plants as I normally do? Or is this something that is going to harm my fish? I'm assuming on Wednesday I can turn the temp back up to 76-77 degrees?
 
catsma_97504
  • #23
If the white fuzz is not on your fish, and if you have completed the med course, I would do a little clean up. Just don't over clean your tank as that will also set your cycle back, and it is very tenuous currently after the meds!
 
Heather12404
  • Thread Starter
  • #24
I won't finish the meds until 5pm on Tuesday. I'm assuming I shouldn't touch the tank until the meds are completed? I was planning on raising the temp and doing the water change/gravel vac and cleaning all the decor/plants on Wednesday.
Does that sound like a good plan?
 
Heather12404
  • Thread Starter
  • #25
The tank is getting very cloudy. I'm guessing this is all normal?
I have white fuzz on just about every decoration and plant in my tank and now the water is getting very cloudy.
I plan on cleaning the tank (water change/gravel vac and cleaning all decor/plants) and raisin the temp on Wednesday. Meds finish on Tuesday at 5pm.
 
catsma_97504
  • #26
Check your parameters. If the cycle has been lost you will need to do some cleanup today.
 
Heather12404
  • Thread Starter
  • #27
Ok just tested the tank:
Ph = 8.2 (my usual)
Ammonia = 0.25
Nitrite = 0.25
Nitrate = 30

My usual Nitrate level is between 30-40, so because it's still 30 I'm guessing I did not lose my cycle? If I lost my cycle my Nitrate level would be 0 correct?
But my Ammonia and Nitrite levels are usually 0.
So now the question is: do I clean (water change/gravel vac and clean all decor/plants) today or wait until Wednesday?
I just really don't want to harm my fish at all. I have worked so hard to get this tank cycled and stocked with the fish I wanted I don't want to mess it all up now.
I just want to do whatever is best for my fish.
Clean now or clean later?
 
catsma_97504
  • #28
I would do a small water change before adding the next med dose. But would leave the decor alone until Wednesday.

Your cycle has been affected, but not completely lost. Do you have Prime? I would double dose it to keep your fish safe.

How are the survivors looking? Are they acting normal still?

Forgot to mention...keep the lights off could help the fish stay calm.
 
Heather12404
  • Thread Starter
  • #29
All the fish are swimming and eating and acting normally. They don't seem to care, it just bothers me. I had to go get some lab work done and I added the next dose and then I came on here. So it's probably too late to do the water change since I just added the next dose of meds?
I'll double dose Prime right now.
 
catsma_97504
  • #30
That's a good idea. Double dosing Prime would protect them.
 
Heather12404
  • Thread Starter
  • #31
So should I do anything tomorrow? Do another double dose of Prime? Clean the tank? Or wait till Wednesday to clean it?
 
catsma_97504
  • #32
Do you have another dose of med to give on Tuesday? If so, I would test the tank to see where the waste levels are at. If low enough, just add another dose of Prime. If rising, then do a small water change, dose Prime, and add the medicine.

Then, begin cleaning on Wednesday.

Also, as the white fuzzies are on your decor items, you could remove them now and start cleaning if that would make you feel better. Just don't remove everything as some bacteria may still be alive on them.
 
Heather12404
  • Thread Starter
  • #33
Last dose of meds is tonight at 5pm. Since I used Prime wouldn't that effect my testing my parameters?
I'm planning on cleaning the tank tomorrow (Wednesday) morning after my daughters go to school.
 
Heather12404
  • Thread Starter
  • #34
So I cleaned the tank yesterday. It looks a million times better. I will be checking my parameters this afternoon. If all is not well do I just use Prime and wait for the tank to catch up? Or do I need to do a ton of water changes until the tank straightens itself out?
 
catsma_97504
  • #35
If your tank is not cycled, then you may need to start daily water changes. But wait for your next parameter test to make that determination.

Glad to hear your tank cleaned up nicely.
 
Heather12404
  • Thread Starter
  • #36
My cycle was screwed after I cleaned my tank.
Ammonia = 0.50
Nitrite = 0.50
Nitrate = 5
So I did what has always worked for me....I added the biggest bottle of TSS I could find. Now I just have to wait for it to do it's job. I have used TSS for many reasons and I think it's an awesome product.
So I will be back on track in no time.
I don't understand how I ended up with this nasty disease in my tank....unless it came in with my new fish. They were in my tank for 2 weeks to the day when this happened. But I know things will be back on track soon.
 
catsma_97504
  • #37
Sorry to hear the cycle was lost. Hopefully it will recover quickly.
 

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