White Fuzzy Patches On My Bluegills

dstubitsch
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HI, I hope someone can help me. I have a tank with several bluegills who have had no issues or illnesses for as long as I've had them , about 2 years. I introduced a couple of green Sunfish to the tank without quarantining them, yes, major mistake, and now my bluegills have white fuzzy patches growing on them. The new fish don't. It's not ich. It's only on the body, not the fins but I've never seen it before. I am treating with Waterlife Protozin, White Spot and fungus cure and on day 5 there is no improvement. I was thinking of trying Melafix or Paraguard next. I'm going out of town Thursday and leaving my sister in charge and I need to get this under control or I'll be worrying the whole time. Any ideas what this is?
 
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oOBlueOo
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I had something similar on my green sunfish. I thought it might be columnaris so I gave a methelyne blue bath.

Whatever it was. It went away with just one treatment.
 
dstubitsch
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I had something similar on my green sunfish. I thought it might be columnaris so I gave a
bath.

Whatever it was. It went away with just one treatment.
Thank you! I will definitely check into that.
 
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KimberlyG
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dstubitsch
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Your fish has columnaris and it is to the point where you need to treat now.
Can you get Kanaplex by Seachem and nutrafurazone (Either API Furan-2 or Jungle Fungus Clear).
I just went out and picked up some Kordon. I'm treating now.
 
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dstubitsch
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Your fish has columnaris and it is to the point where you need to treat now.
Can you get Kanaplex by Seachem and nutrafurazone (Either API Furan-2 or Jungle Fungus Clear).
Kordon Methylene Blue. It says to dip for 10 seconds in 5tsp per 3 gallons.
 
KimberlyG
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Kordon Methylene Blue. It says to dip for 10 seconds in 5tsp per 3 gallons.
The methylene blue was what oOBlueOo suggested. I think she said a bath not a dip. A bath is done in a container at double dose for 30 minutes. Perhaps she can clarify what she did.
 
dstubitsch
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The methylene blue was what oOBlueOo suggested. I think she said a bath not a dip. A bath is done in a container at double dose for 30 minutes. Perhaps she can clarify what she did.
I was reading from the bottle. It said dip. At 5tsp per 3 gallon it makes 50ppm. I was surprised by the shortness of the dip recommended. I wonder if that is just for preventative maintenance. The regular dose is 1tsp for 10 gallons.
 
oOBlueOo
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Sorry. I meant a dip. The sunfish lives in a 120 gallon and I refuse to treat the whole tank.

I used this stuff. I added 3 mL per ice cream pail. Let him sit 5 minutes and scooped him back into his tank.

I know it was way too much, but he was very hard to catch.



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KimberlyG
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A lot of people do that dip on every new fish they buy. Gonna have to grab my bottle. I know for scale damage, ammonia poisioning, I have people do a 30 minute bath at double dose.
Okay, so yes that is very strong, hence the "No more than 10 seconds" warning. That is basically to disinfect fish.
For the bath, I don't know what size container you have, use 1/2 teaspoon for 2.5 gallons for a 30 minute bath. (6 ppm solution)
 
dstubitsch
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I wonder if I could do the 10 sec dip and then a 30 min. bath. Too much??
 
KimberlyG
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You were treating with WaterLife. (Sorry, just saw that) Are you in the UK?
 
dstubitsch
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You were treating with WaterLife. (Sorry, just saw that) Are you in the UK?
No, I just ordered it. It has worked well for me.
 
KimberlyG
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I was just making sure. The treatment I recommended is not available in the UK. We have alternative treatments for the UK and Aussie members.
I would just try the bath. I really am not hopeful that it will work, but methylene blue will not cause any harm either.
 
dstubitsch
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I was just making sure. The treatment I recommended is not available in the UK. We have alternative treatments for the UK and Aussie members.
I would just try the bath. I really am not hopeful that it will work, but methylene blue will not cause any harm either.
So you don't think that the methylene blue will work for columnaris or just the bath?
 
KimberlyG
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So you don't think that the methylene blue will work for columnaris or just the bath?
I don't think it will work for columnaris. It may ease some of the symptoms. oOBlueOo seemed to think it was something else. Also on the duplicate post, it was mentioned that it was a slime coat issue. Methylene blue with aide in that.
I am looking at the amount of what I believe to be colummnaris showing under his gill plates. His gills have to be covered. Now methylene blue may help the gill filaments not affected to more readily process oxygen. It is quite a versatile treatment for many things. Everyone should have a bottle in their war chest. I just think this will be a fight because it has progressed this far.
 
dstubitsch
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I don't think it will work for columnaris. It may ease some of the symptoms. oOBlueOo seemed to think it was something else. Also on the duplicate post, it was mentioned that it was a slime coat issue. Methylene blue with aide in that.
I am looking at the amount of what I believe to be colummnaris showing under his gill plates. His gills have to be covered. Now methylene blue may help the gill filaments not affected to more readily process oxygen. It is quite a versatile treatment for many things. Everyone should have a bottle in their war chest. I just think this will be a fight because it has progressed this far.
What will work for this? Anything?
 
KimberlyG
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What will work for this? Anything?
That read panic. Calm down. Do the methylene blue bath. Again, it won't hurt. It may help. I actually thought you would have done it by now. I know this is upsetting. Start there and after the bath, let us know how he did. We will go from there. There are several of us who have eyes on this. We don't want you upset and we want your boy as comfortable as possible. We will see what can be done.
 
dstubitsch
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That read panic. Calm down. Do the methylene blue bath. Again, it won't hurt. It may help. I actually thought you would have done it by now. I know this is upsetting. Start there and after the bath, let us know how he did. We will go from there. There are several of us who have eyes on this. We don't want you upset and we want your boy as comfortable as possible. We will see what can be done.
I did the bath before I panicked while the discussion were going on. The patches looked better but are still there. Thank you for helping. When you say to redo the bath do you mean now or tomorrow?
 
dstubitsch
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That read panic. Calm down. Do the methylene blue bath. Again, it won't hurt. It may help. I actually thought you would have done it by now. I know this is upsetting. Start there and after the bath, let us know how he did. We will go from there. There are several of us who have eyes on this. We don't want you upset and we want your boy as comfortable as possible. We will see what can be done.
I did the treatment before I panicked. When you say repeat the bath do you mean now or later and can I use the same water I used before or mix fresh water. Thank you for your help. Really.
 
KimberlyG
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I did the treatment before I panicked. When you say repeat the bath do you mean now or later? Thank you for your help. Really.
Twelve hours later should be good. How did he do? Tomorrow morning will tell us more.
 
dstubitsch
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If I retreat can I use the same bath water mixture I already used or should I use a fresh mix? Do I need to bleach all my equipment to be sure this doesn't travel to my other tanks?
 
dstubitsch
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Twelve hours later should be good. How did he do? Tomorrow morning will tell us more.
They all did well. The patches were lighter. I'll treat again in the morning. Do you think Metroplex would help?
 
KimberlyG
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If I retreat can I use the same bath water mixture I already used or should I use a fresh mix? Do I need to bleach all my equipment to be sure this doesn't travel to my other tanks?
Yes, bleach, rinse and dry all equiptment. You will need a new mixture each time.
 
KimberlyG
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I don't think Metroplex by itself would help. I have heard from people who use it with kanamycin (Seachem Kanaplex) but it is the kanamycin that is actually do the work IMO.
 
KimberlyG
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How are they doing today? Any improvement?
 
dstubitsch
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I did a second dip and bath and they are looking really good. The patches are almost gone. I will do another bath tonight. I'm very encouraged.
 
KimberlyG
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That is the best news I've heard all day! I won't keep bugging you but keep us posted.
 
dstubitsch
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That is the best news I've heard all day! I won't keep bugging you but keep us posted.
Thanks so much Kimberly. You certainly were never bugging me. I had never seen this before and spent hours researching and found nothing until I posted here and the first reply recognized it right away. I wish I had posted sooner. At least there is hope now.
 
dstubitsch
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I can happily say that all the blue gill are healthy and happy after the baths for 3 days of the blue and then followed with a metroplex and kanaplex treatment . The last to go was a black smudge on each of their bottom lips but they are now free of all symptoms and eating well. I am quite relived! Again many thanks!
 

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