Which goldfish food would you pick? - Page 2

Dom90

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Well if I was a hungry goldfish I'd eat everything I could fit my mouth on lol... But yea I think they're not omnivores in the sense that they eat meat as in animal protein or muscle protein? I don't know lol.


 

LeoDiaz

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yasha said:
So there more of a bug/worm and plant eater not really a fish eater tho right? Do they eat fish in the wild and if I were to put a guppy with a full sized fancy goldfish would it hunt and eat the guppy or just eat it if its in its face? I guess I should have new as I know they eat worms Idk why I wasn't thinking of that fact.

You guys are really good with the info and help.
They will eat fish if small enough to catch ans slow enough. Guppies should be mixed in with goldfish because goldfish are coldwater and guppies are tropical. There not much I will recommend putting in goldfish tank... Also goldfish in wild are like vacuum eating any bug and plant that's gets in there way so that's why they are consider omnivores. If had to choose what side the lean more too I will say bugs/worms.
 

Dom90

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She was talking about putting in feeder guppies I think...


 

LeoDiaz

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Dom90 said:
She was talking about putting in feeder guppies I think...
There not carnivores that will need to have some life feeder fish. When is the last time you heard someone say I need 3 guppies to feed to my goldfish,lol.
 

Dom90

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Lol then they're not really carnivorous omnivores... More on the herbivore side.

Speaking of feeder fish, I want to own a DoviI one day...
 

LeoDiaz

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Dom90 said:
Lol then they're not really carnivorous omnivores... More on the herbivore side.

Speaking of feeder fish, I want to own a DoviI one day...
There omnivores they eat watever they want there not picky. About that doviI is another story he might end up trying to eat you lol.
 

LiterallyHydro

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Dom90 said:
Lol then they're not really carnivorous omnivores... More on the herbivore side.

Speaking of feeder fish, I want to own a DoviI one day...
I'd be afraid to even put my hand in the tank with an angry Dovii.. ;D
 

Dom90

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Lol I said want but it probably won't happen... Plus the wife says I'm not allowed to have any fish that requires live fish as a diet... She thinks it's animal cruelty and I kinda have to agree.


 

LeoDiaz

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Dom90 said:
Lol I said want but it probably won't happen... Plus the wife says I'm not allowed to have any fish that requires live fish as a diet... She thinks it's animal cruelty and I kinda have to agree.
Lets stop while we are ahead before a mod comes lol... About that goldfish food what are you going to end up getting?
 
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yasha

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Yea I was useing the guppy as the only small fish I could think of just as a example. I think omnivores more as a fish that chases and eats other fish as well as plants not just bugs that may just happen to be on there plant even. meaning is some cases even herbivores may play a omnivore at times if there happens to be a bug on a leaf . Not my thinking of a omnivore but I guess it is just a scale.
herbivore to
herbivore-omnivore to
omnivore to
omnivore-carnivore to
carnivore
and my mind doesn't like seeing the 2nd one for some reason lol.
 

Dom90

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Hahaha same I don't know how long opened fish food will last so I just buy the 5-8 oz sizes even if bulk buys are cheaper. With dog food I NEED to go with the biggest bag though lol.


 

LeoDiaz

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Even with the omnivore formula your goldie will be getting the best of both worlds plants and proteins. I just have 3 types ik herbivore, omnI and carni. I don't used the middle of two. Ask my mbunas there supposely herbivores but throw in some small fish and they don't hesitate to eat it. Is a fish eat fish world.
 
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yasha

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Thinking omega and NLS as one is more plant and one more fish tho its more bugs then fish they like to eat more fish in a pellet will still give them the bit of meat they would need right? Then I'll see about trying the other food as it looks really good. Just thinking for now omega and NLS would be easier to get my hands one really do have to see if the store I want to get them from already has them or would have to order them.

Cobalt if that's all the supply store has till I can order omega and NLS
Omega and NLS if the supply store has them till I get a little more money in the bank and order Paradigm.
That's my thinking anyway Paradigm seems best but hoping the store has at least a small thing of omega and NLS for a few weeks-month.
Really would like to try the Paradigm.
 

LeoDiaz

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You could do that till you can get paradigm. Ive used nls before and will take paradigm over it and any other food any day. Your fish are just so healthy and colorful with paradigm.
 
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yasha

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Yea with the Paradigm I would most likely go with the 8oz to try it and see.
With my dogs food we normally get the biggest bag we can but now and then don't have that much money so spend more money in the long run to not spend as much at one time (AKA get the mid bag).
 

Dom90

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Lol but best value is the big bag esp when you have to feed a 90 lb high energy dog...


 
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yasha

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My mom buys a lot of my pets stuff for me still and she likes to get stuff at the store. She hates online so.. I also get my money the 1st of the month and for now don't really have any so she'll most likely be the one getting me some food for them for the time being. Almost anything is better then the flakes I have atm.

I have two aussie's one is a mix there 45lb to right around 50lb. They eat diamond naturals grain free beef and sweet potato. Not the best food but one of the better ones still $34 for a 28lb
 

LeoDiaz

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I have it easy/hard with my small dog when we got her she would eat anything put ppl food so she gets all kinds of food and is acts a lot like human. Recarnation... Lol.
 

Dom90

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I have an Aussie also, purebred had since she was just 8 weeks old.. We feed our dogs the Merrick grain free, different flavor with every other bag. So I want to feed my fish the best too, it's worth it and it only costs a few dollars more, for both dog and fish food.


 

LeoDiaz

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Dom90 said:
I have an Aussie also, purebred had since she was just 8 weeks old.. We feed our dogs the Merrick grain free, different flavor with every other bag. So I want to feed my fish the best too, it's worth it and it only costs a few dollars more, for both dog and fish food.
So your getting yourself some paradigm fish food too?
 

Dadio

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Again, we need to look at the whole of a formulation into what it achieves, proves or claims; and unless your a certified nutritionist, then please refer to absolute proofs rather then speculations or assumptions which are or come across biased. Bring long term solid knowledge and scientific proof or solid research forward so as to allow others make viable choices.

I've fed koi, fancies and tropicals with one brand and one brand only for years and yes have tried many others. Are others good, sure they are, which is better, what ever suits your needs and bottom line; budget.

My oldest koI for example are 9 years old and considered the finest of their breed in both colour, body portions, shine and scaling and don't dare call them a carp. Same goes for my fancies where the oldest being almost 9 years old. Never once have my fish suffered any sickness, Their immune systems are in perfect condition imo and it shows when one has been injured from breeding, scraping a scale off, nips and cuts that happen from on oversight such as dangerous decorations. Their healing time is without infection, fungus or other and I well attribute this to the food and environment factors. Just this last week, Diablo, one of my butterfly koI snapped off 7 large scales, two areas showed stress to the flesh. I used no meds or other treatment, just let him be and fed him as normal. 6 days later, almost nothing shows and new scale and colour regeneration present. If my feed was bad because of wheat germ, then no way in heck would that have been possible. Where wheat germ is an issue is in cheap feed or an insufficient cheap formulation and that's where issues happen such as swimming sickness, bloat and other.

So before we go off on wheat germ, and other ingredients simply pick what works best for you and the results you want. For your information, many cold water species if kept in captivity must be fed wheat germ base during colder temps such as wintering of goldfish of any kind and that of koi.

My fancies are fed SakI HikarI and are 3 of the finest you will find in all the things a top breeder or show class keeper strives for. I keep show class fish of all kinds. Koi, fancies, betta, rams, tetras, rainbows and all are fed HikarI (Saki) for their species in dry pellets. I also use the same brand (Hikari) for frozen and also use NLS waffers for those species that require it.

Wheat germ, in the case of koI or goldfish of any kind helps to slow digestion to aid the absorption rate of other key nutrients and building block ingredients which results in far less poop which enhances the life quality of fish we keep in an artificial ecosystem. Here's another keynote that many top koI breeders and keepers know, in fact, just take a look at the pictures of my koI and you'll see why. It is the wg that aids all the beneficial growth proteins required to build such beauty of a fish. Big, solid frames showing a truly healthy fed fish. Here's another point I'll make. All my stock get fed once a day and only on my days off do they get more than that. My topicals, fancies and koI are all very healthy, robust and actively vibrant.

Every pellet format has fillers of some kind or other and the choice of fillers vary from one type of pellet to another and one brand and another. In fact, here's a little info. Fillers are required for two aspects of any given formulation dry or semI dry and even wet. The filler acts as the catalyst to either hold everything together and/or ease in the transition of digestion or application. This is a proven scientific fact. As a product formulation company; we use a multitude of fibrous fillers that provide many actions. This is based on pure professional use of product formulations and development that adhere to the same basic baseline of any product created for use towards consumption whether oral or dermatological. The source of these fillers are also of importance, meaning raised natural for use, or genetically modified fo use. 50 years ago, the terms of gluten intolerance or wheat intolerance where unheard of. Today it is a big issue and I fully agree whereas in my choice of HikarI is based on long term proven results.
 
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yasha

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I know were off topic but I think the topic is mostly done and is it ok if I say its ok in my thread? lol

My boy I had at about 8 months I believe someone lived in a apartment that couldn't have dogs and still got him. Had to give him up after the land owner fond out. hes around 5 now and the aussie mix is around 2.
 

LeoDiaz

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Yet again I just dable in the african cichlid area of fish keeping but for me and other african cichlid keeper ik use paradigm for our fish... The main one I remember is marc from west coast cichlids he even wrote and essay on how much he likes it.
 
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yasha

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Thank you that's a lot of info I didn't want to go with HikarI as it's very prices and I wanted cheaper but still good for a long healthy life. Mine are just for me to watch so they don't have to be best of the best in look just nice to me as you said. They could live on cheap food and still live a long time but I want a bit better for them then that.
 

LeoDiaz

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yasha said:
I know were off topic but I think the topic is mostly done and is it ok if I say its ok in my thread? lol

My boy I had at about 8 months I believe someone lived in a apartment that couldn't have dogs and still got him. Had to give him up after the land owner fond out. hes around 5 now and the aussie mix is around 2.
Both look like amazings dogs
 
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yasha

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Which of the 3-4 would you go with if you were me and wanted heath but not top of the line fish and not a high food bill but not so cheap as to hurt there health?
Omage, NLS, Cobalt or Peredigm?
The 1st 3 are the cheapest and all around the same price of $1.4 or so a oz and peredigm is a little high at about $2.2 a oz


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I fond HikarI (Lionhead not saki) for $1.25 a oz seems I was just looking it up wrong so guess it can go in the price range with Omage, NLS, and Cobalt

So order of price online With shipping
HikarI (Lionhead not saki) 1.23
Omega One 1.25
Cobalt 1.45
Sho Gold 1.56
New Life Spectrum 1.70
Paradigm 2.37 So it is a lot more hmm.. Still like to try it but over all maybe I'd be best with the others and maybe using it as a healthy treat? (even with my dogs there treats are dog food or ice)
 

Dadio

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NLS is a good one from all I read as well and another of my good friends uses nls with good results for his fancies and other stock. I tried colbalt a while back and still got it as bubbles spit it out lol, should throw it as it's 2 years old. Paradigm would be in the same class as SakI imo.

Giving them a high end food even as a treat is well worth it imo. For example, I treat my koI to a silkworm mix from hikarI at a 10% ratio during warming periods (goldies like it too and it is good for them) which they fight over almost when giving it to them. With the sakI from hikarI it can be a little more costing on the feed as it needs to be constant staple in order for the probiotics to be efficient and is a premium food. I use the sakI multiseason for my koI due to the varied temps up north here. I also feed all my fancies this as there staple once a day. Most other foods need more feedings to get the same nutrient value impact. So even if the cost is more up front, your not feeding as much to get the same or even better results in my experience. Like I said, all my stock is only fed once a day for the most part and even then, there are days they go with out hand fed food.

You can also offset cost by introducing fresh veggies, clean earthworms (oh they love this and redworms too). Worms are very high on protein so don't go crazy. Overfeeding of proteins will show when the whites start to show a yellow tinge. Goldies as with koI are in fact bottom feeders for the most part. They search out micro particles, worms and other in their natural settings from my experience. Bubbles my oldest fancy was a gobbler for worms when in the pond. Was really funny to see her swim(wiggle lol) away with a nightcrawler with a few of the koI not far behind in case she dropped it. My pond actually has a healthy staple of small redworms living in the stream beds or the small rock areas of my pond. My koI are always sifting there. With worms, always rinse before giving even if bought ones like those from bait shops. I do give them treats from my garden including those gooey slugs. I also have given them other veggies and fruits as treats. Doing this can also help cut your pellet food costs down. Goldies like many things and a variety is always good for them. They also can have fancy taste bubs and with a little experimenting you'll find what works. A good friend of mine back east makes a mash of veggies and fruits and fed his fancies this along with hikarI oranda pellets and he had beautiful fish with bright whites and reds. Simply stunning specimens he had.

Here's a number of things they are known (all hard veggies need to be pre-cooked or blanched, including rice)

Peas(blanched), lettuce, spinach, kale, zucchini(blanched), carrots, cucumbers(blanched), apples, grapes, garlic, pieces of orange (for vitamin C), rice(cooked), broccoli(blanched), corn, beans(blanched) and watermelon.

Hope this helps more.

On another note, I was away on a conference and the wife could not find the food bags or it was low. So as a midterm, believe it or not, she crushed up some dry cat food and used this to feed our fancies of which I had no concern as it had similar ingredients. She thinks there always hungry, but they got her well trained.
 

Rivieraneo

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Fancies are prone to swim bladder and constipation issues. Most are raised on wet food versus dry pellets. I highly recommend you look at Repashy brand gel foods. I feed my ranchu both their soilent green and community plus products. Best of luck.
 
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yasha

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Thank you both.
 

Dadio

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yasha said:
Thank you both.
Pleasure. It's hard at times with all the marketing hype behind products and yes I well understand it can get somewhat costly but the way I look at it is I was given the responsibility to be a fishkeeper and in all due respect, they deserve the best that we can do within our means. With what I feed my stock I've never had issues but I also got mine from a high quality breeder from back east who also fed the same as me.

Fancies, depending on breeder can be a hit and miss and many food brands while not bad persay are maybe not the best for some species even in it looks good on paper or widely used.

So hopefully the information provided gives you peace of mind and a few options to choose. Remember, while even bred in captivity their needs are varied where they require fresh foods as well.

Just like a human, if we ate the same thing everyday we'd see a lot of angry peeps.
 

trioracle

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I find that sakihikarI pellet food is the best. I always go for the sinking and small sized foods. I don't want my Goldies to be gulping in air while they eat. Small sized pellets are better because it can pass down their stomachs more easily. Live foods, gel foods, boiled spinach and eggs what's are good too. My fishes enjoyed them


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