What's Wrong With My Goldfish? | Page 2

  1. GoldFiska Well Known Member Member

    Thanks for sharing your point of view as well. Honestly I do love debates like this. Fishkeeping isn't an exact science, and whether we disagree or not, it never hurts to share our opinion. Live and learn :)
     
  2. ballpointftw Initiate Member

    I did a 50% water change. And I will post a pic of my goldfish that's bottom sitting.

    Here are the parameters right before I did a water change"

    Ph (high range): 8.2
    Ammonia: 0.25
    Nitrite: 0.25
    Nitrate: 40

    These are the parameters right AFTER the water chnage:

    Ph (high range): 8.2
    Ammonia: 0.25
    Nitrite: 0
    Nitrate: 40

    Temperature: 78 degrees (F)

    I use the API master kit to check the water.

    The parameters...are looking not so good still. The poop is green right now because I fed them peas.

    I wonder wha

    If I posted a reply twice, that was by accident and via phone and now I'm on the laptop.

    Here are the water parameters right before I did a water change:
    PH (high range): 8.2
    Ammonia: 0.25
    Nitrite: 0.25
    Nitrate: 40

    I did approximately 50% water change. I use the API Master Kit for the water checking.

    These are the parameters right AFTER I did the water change:
    PH (high range): 8.2
    Ammonia: 0.25
    Nitrite: 0
    Nitrate: 40

    I used the Seachem Prime (dosed twice because where I live have more chloramine) and also used Stress Zyme.
    The water still doesn't look good according to water testing kit... I may have to do partial water change everyday until the testing kit tells me it's good.

    His tail was really tattered at one point and it grew back. It was getting tattered when he was bottom sitting few months back (I had sand and that might have made it worse)...and after doing partial water changes for 3 days straight, he was swimming around good for awhile, it grew back. And he's back to bottom sitting AGAIN about a week ago.
     

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  3. Racing1113 Well Known Member Member

    Do you have ammonia or nitrates in your tap water? If you did a 50% water change and ammonia and nitrates are 0 out of the tap, it's mathematically impossible to have your ammonia and nitrates not decrease by half.
     
  4. Mike1995 Well Known Member Member


    i have a 180 gallon goldfish tank. Each and every one is between 9-12 inches and counting. So it can and will happen with a lot of space. Even at 5-8 inches, the guy above somewhere has a point about 55 bring cramped. Just take a minute and think about 3 8 inch fish in a tank that size. That'd be like putting 3 jack dempsey cichlids or 3 Severums or something in a 55. surely you wouldn't do that.
     

  5. david1978 Fishlore VIP Member

    Personally i feel it has more to do with fooprint than gallons. A standard 50 gallon tank at 36" x 18" would be better than a standard 55 gallon at 48" x 12 inches. Imo.
     
  6. Galathiel Well Known Member Member

    Goldfish aren't like cichlids, though, really, so you can't really campare them. They don't swim fast, and some, not even particularly well. I could see a JD or Sev needing a lot of swimming space. They are strong, powerful fish. Goldfish ... umm yeah. They are adorably round and wiggly.

    OP: I'm sorry you're having such a time with your beautiful guy. I hope you figure something out.
     
  7. California L33 Well Known Member Member

    Have you tested your tap water for ammonia?

    There really shouldn't be any ammonia in your aquarium. Fish don't like to breathe it any more than we do. Either it's being introduced or produced.
     

  8. GoldFiska Well Known Member Member

    Wow those are BIG fish. I have a hard time believing they are fancy goldfish. What kind of fancies are they, if you don't mind me asking? I would love to see a pic of them.
     
  9. ballpointftw Initiate Member

    Hi, thank you for responding. I just tested my tap water with the same API master kit.
    It turns out my tap water does have ammonia.

    Ammonia: 0.50
    Nitrite: 0
    Nitrate: 0.20

    I bought API Ammo Lock... I don't know if I should use that or just use Seachem Prime. I've been double dosing the Prime because the water in my city has alot of chloramine.

    I guess it has been introduced. I just tested my tap water with the same water testing kit.

    Ammonia: 0.50
    Nitrite: 0
    Nitrate: 0.20

    You think if I go and purchase gallons of filtered water from a local aquarium store would help? Probably.
    I am going to do another partial water change today, probably 50%.
    The temperature is at 80 degrees (F). You think I should get a heater that could keep the settings at 75 degrees. From what I read, 75 is a good temperature for goldfishes.
     
  10. California L33 Well Known Member Member

    It's tough if you've got ammonia coming in with your tap water. You'll either have to treat it with an ammonia neutralizer like Prime, or like you said, get water from a different source. If you do the latter check things like pH and hardness compared to what you've got in the tank. Most fish adapt well to differences, but the change needs to be much slower than when those things all match.

    Goldfish do like cooler temps than most tropical fish. 75 is an ideal temperature. I don't think 80 puts them under that much stress, but maybe goldfish experts (of which I'm not) will disagree, and if they do I pre-defer. Cooling a tank is much more difficult than heating it. You'd need a chiller, and they can be really expensive. An alternative method is running fans so they blow a strong air current over the surface of the water, causing evaporative cooling.
     

  11. Daryl Member Member

    It's amazing to me. I don't know anybody that can have goldfish I guess. I personally don't anyone anymore who has an 100 tank in their home. I am sure there are some, but with the smaller homes that a lot of the folks I know are downsizing to, there just isn't room. I know that the site will explode with " I've got a 100 gal tank" but I just don't personally know anyone who does anymore. But I know I few people who have goldfish in 10 and 20 gal tanks. And they seem fat and happy.
     
  12. Mike1995 Well Known Member Member


    excuse me nothing. i personally own a 180g goldfish tank. All of them are 9-12". Goldfish will grow to a foot. It's not uncommon despite peoples thinking. 3 goldfish will not live comfortably in a 55 gallon. One because of waste. It's just not practical to deal with all that waste in a 55g. Two because of how long thier tailfins can get. Quote long. So assuming you want decorations or plants, 12" of tank depth isn't going to make them happy. If you can't have proper tanks for your fish, i recommend you find a dog to keep instead
     
  13. GoldFiska Well Known Member Member

    You haven't really answered my question though. Are you talking about long-bodied goldfish? Because that is a completely different topic.

    I'm talking about egg-bodied goldfish, which don't get 9-12 inches long usually. Like I said before, what type of fancy do you have that get 9-12 inches consistently? and do you have a pic of them? I'm not saying you're not credible but this is one of those things I have to see to believe.
     
  14. Daryl Member Member

    Easy @Mike1995 we all have opinions on how to raise our fish. It sounds like in this thread everyones fish are healthy except for ballpoint, they are just expressing their opinions.

    Also I have noticed that the bigger the tank you have, the bigger the fish will get. I have seen large koi that get even bigger than 12". Of course they live in a pond. Imagine how big platy get in the wild. Hope your goldfish pulls through Ballpoint.
     
  15. GoldFiska Well Known Member Member

    Size depends on their environment, of course, but genetics counts too.
    With fancy goldfish most usually do not get bigger than 6-8 inches, even with a 100+ gallon tank.

    With koi, which need over 800 gallons of space when full grown, it is not unusual for them to get 3 feet long :)
     
  16. Daryl Member Member

    I would really like to see some 12" goldfish.
     
  17. ballpointftw Initiate Member

    Alright then. I'll get some water from my local aquarium store. Once I get it, I'll check the parameters from that water and compare to what I already have and try to neutralize it. I'll look up if it's necessary to get a chiller/cooling fan.

    Thanks for you input. I'm literally trying everyone's advice..

    Alright... I'm gonna do everything everyone's been suggesting. Maybe even get a bigger tank, upgrade to 75 gallons.

    Let's say, my water parameters gets good again... and he's still bottom sitting... what would you goldfish experts do?
    I will not euthanize him...I don't know if I can do that.

    I'm sure if the water conditions are good, the fishes are good. That's the whole point, I know... but let's say he's still not even after all that.
    I did get him from a horrible condition, inside a little plastic bowl filled with his own poop...the guy really didn't care...but cared enough to not abandon him with no one. I wonder...if his condition could be permanent? His immune system is soooooo bad now that whatever I do won't cure him?
    I have my faults too... I got him, thinking I could try to help him without really doing thorough research on how to care for a goldfish.
     
  18. goplecos Well Known Member Member

    I had a Betta once that I rescued from a cup in Walmart, and even he had really bad swim bladder issues. He couldn't get off the ground for more than 3 minutes, and he lived for 6 years. Even in perfect water your Goldfish might never recover completely, but if he is eating and pooping he can still live a long and happy life, even like that. I would suggest getting a smaller tank (like 30 gallons) for him and keep the others in the 55. That way you can make sure he gets enough food and isn't bullied.
     
  19. California L33 Well Known Member Member

    I'd never even consider euthanizing a fish that wasn't clearly suffering with no chance of recovery. If a fish wants to lie around on the bottom of the tank all day that's fine with me.