What Would You Want To Know ?

AJBrown
  • #1
Hey,
I was wondering as a fish beginner what are a few things you’d like to know about a certain fish...

Example: something a customer needs to know about fish before they buy such as maximum size, tank size, ph..... etc
What would you think are the most important things for a customer to know?
 
SFGiantsGuy
  • #2
Compatibility/tank mates, water "type", (freshwater, brackish, saltwater) food preferences, water swmming levels, bredding, algae control, water temp. tolerances, disposition/behavior (docile/peaceful, semi-aggresive, aggressive, predatory) towards tank mates if any, stuff like that.
 
appcontrol
  • #3
Everything is important, when you want to buy certain type of fish, first google it and read as much sources as you can, ph, gh, temperature, male to female ratio, environment etc.
Check can you provide that fish at least close parameters that she needs and then if you have any other questions about specific species ask here.

Other than that check is fish in store in good condition, color, body, activity and be boring to seller to get you a fish that you want. Second always is better to buy from local breeder if you can. Third if you se dead fish or some ill fish in tank in store just pass on that fish for now.
 
AJBrown
  • Thread Starter
  • #4
We only sell freshwater which is good haha, thank you for answering ☺️

Compatibility/tank mates, water "type", (freshwater, brackish, saltwater) food preferences, water swmming levels, bredding, algae control, water temp. tolerances, disposition/behavior (docile/peaceful, semi-aggresive, aggressive, predatory) towards tank mates if any, stuff like that.
 
SFGiantsGuy
  • #5
I concur with appcontrol 100%. Whenever I go to my lfs, as in Colorado here there's quite a good number of very professional, responsible and reputable fish stores. One of the best is called, "Elite Reef" and it's amazing. And for freshwater is "About Fish" whcih is probably the best freshwater fish merchance. Point and case being, find fish that are n good health, as the clerk/merchant plenty of wise questions and therefore your feedback should be honest and frutiful. And yes, fish/animal health and condition IS everything, not just the store.
 
AJBrown
  • Thread Starter
  • #6
Everything is important, when you want to buy certain type of fish, first google it and read as much sources as you can, ph, gh, temperature, male to female ratio, environment etc.
Check can you provide that fish at least close parameters that she needs and then if you have any other questions about specific species ask here.

Other than that check is fish in store in good condition, color, body, activity and be boring to seller to get you a fish that you want. Second always is better to buy from local breeder if you can. Third if you se dead fish or some ill fish in tank in store just pass on that fish for now.


Yes, I agree... I wish people did a lot more re-search on fish before they brought them.
I get too many people coming in wanting a fish because it ‘looks nice’ and have nothing set up

I’m doing this to help further educate my team members in fish so then I know all my fish are going to amazing lovely homes ☺️ (I’m going to be doing like fish of the week with all the information about that particular fish)
 
appcontrol
  • #7
Yes, I agree... I wish people did a lot more re-search on fish before they brought them.
I get too many people coming in wanting a fish because it ‘looks nice’ and have nothing set up

I’m doing this to help further educate my team members in fish so then I know all my fish are going to amazing lovely homes ☺️
I see that every time when I come in my lfs and kids with parents are buying fish like clown loach for bowl . I have only to two persons (from 6-7 of them) in my lfs that know what they are doing and will not sell you any fish and screw you like that.
 
SFGiantsGuy
  • #8
Sorry but my keyboard sucks and needs to be replaced ASAP! lol When accustoming your store's guests regarding any unpresumably maintanable product or live goods/fish, ascertain their budget before anything else, as that can therefore determine what pending course of interaction to effectively engage in. In turn, any impressionable feedback will determine what their immedaite needs will be and so forth.
 
appcontrol
  • #9
And if you have fish store, first thing I would do is to print everything they need to know about nitrogen cycle and I would put some QR code that will lead them to begginer guide on internet.
 
SFGiantsGuy
  • #10
Hence, that almost literally IS what is the deciding differential between box stores...and more exclusive stores. The good vibe is this: In the fish keeping hobby, as almost with other pets, such as dogs, cats birds, etc. the sheer vibe and fun factor trumps and outweighs any primary or cumulative costs. As post base spending for people who are "starting out/new" the price will be apparent, but in the long run, however it will almost be rendered moot, as the pure fun of it will rescind any amount out of most people's wallets. For example, if your dog is sick and has a possibiility of pershing, 9 out of 10 people WILL likely pay for his aid. And as far as people asking about a new fish, in a way, it's ironic, that people attempt to acquire a refund for a dead fish.
 
Jenoli42
  • #11
I believe the #1 thing people new to the hobby need to understand is how to cycle their tank, what it means & what doing it wrong means for fish.

as part of that, they need to know about testing kits, bottled bacteria & conditioners like prime. and when to worry about pH (eg, low kH) & when not to (almost always... just keep stable)

then #2 is fish size versus tank size & what overstocking & over feeding can mean. paart of this is weekly maintenance including pwc & gravel vac & filter cleaning dos/ don'ts.

the following are all equal third lol:

*the importance of keeping a QT & why to quarantine new fish.

* compatibility & temperature.

* signs of disease/stress

 
JB92668
  • #12
water conditions for the fish tank size food the fish eats and breeding the fish and compatability and how to sex fish and the right way to cycle a tank
 
AJBrown
  • Thread Starter
  • #13
And if you have fish store, first thing I would do is to print everything they need to know about nitrogen cycle and I would put some QR code that will lead them to begginer guide on internet.


Already done the nitrogen cycle for them... made a pamphlet some would say I spend too much time on fish

I see that every time when I come in my lfs and kids with parents are buying fish like clown loach for bowl . I have only to two persons (from 6-7 of them) in my lfs that know what they are doing and will not sell you any fish and screw you like that.

I have the same problem!! People asking for the clown loaches for their children because some how it looks like Nemo?
 
Hunter1
  • #14
Just my opinion and probably not popular but as a lfs owner I would run it like my favorite lfs does.

His employees give great advice BUT if a customer ignores it, they still sell the fish while still preaching nitrogen cycle, tank size, compatibility , etc.

I would guess 60-75% of the people don’t know what they are doing but doing away with 60-75% of your business won’t keep you in business very long.

Edit: I spend an hour plus in there every time I go in there. Checking out the stock, health of the fish, eavesdropping on the employees conversations. I’m sold on this store.
 
JB92668
  • #15
life span of the fish
 
123
  • #16
From first hand experience as a beginner with recent troubles I could name couple of things:

- The recommended tank size, temperature, compatibility with other fish REALLY matters, and while the beginners could be enthusiastic in a way that 'I'm sure MY fishes will get used to each other and smaller tank will be just fine... it most likely will NOT work if more experienced people advice otherwise Stressed fish = stressed owner, and trust me, it is not a good feeling .
- I wanted small fish tank for my small apartment, but I quickly learned that as much as it can seem tempting and more convenient ... it is actually more trouble than a bigger size tank. And I quickly gotten bigger ones anyway. So go big from the start. And even if you would decide to quit with the hobby, it is easier to re-sell bigger tank than small one ^^
- Also, shape of the tank matters, (I learned cube is not a good shape, rather shorter and longer) and one should watch out for mirroring glass in tanks ... it killed my fish which was fighting himself until he fatally hurt himself.
- When setting up first tank I wish I knew ahead about the black soil for plants ... which I am not sure how it can be added later while the tank is already running.
- Right placement of the tank is also important. No direct sunlight and no close to heater or windy place.
- I wish I would have had put more effort into doing my initial research into fish personalities and compatibilities Each species act differently and one should not chose only by the looks of fish.

That's what I wish I knew before starting up the first tank
 
SmallFishGuy
  • #17
I think water flow is a big one, I know a guy that had huge water flow in a tank with a few angels and it killed them because they were too stressed with having to try and keep themselves up right
 
appcontrol
  • #18
Just my opinion and probably not popular but as a lfs owner I would run it like my favorite lfs does.

His employees give great advice BUT if a customer ignores it, they still sell the fish while still preaching nitrogen cycle, tank size, compatibility , etc.

I would guess 60-75% of the people don’t know what they are doing but doing away with 60-75% of your business won’t keep you in business very long.

Edit: I spend an hour plus in there every time I go in there. Checking out the stock, health of the fish, eavesdropping on the employees conversations. I’m sold on this store.
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From first hand experience as a beginner with recent troubles I could name couple of things:

- The recommended tank size, temperature, compatibility with other fish REALLY matters, and while the beginners could be enthusiastic in a way that 'I'm sure MY fishes will get used to each other and smaller tank will be just fine... it most likely will NOT work if more experienced people advice otherwise Stressed fish = stressed owner, and trust me, it is not a good feeling .
- I wanted small fish tank for my small apartment, but I quickly learned that as much as it can seem tempting and more convenient ... it is actually more trouble than a bigger size tank. And I quickly gotten bigger ones anyway. So go big from the start. And even if you would decide to quit with the hobby, it is easier to re-sell bigger tank than small one ^^
- Also, shape of the tank matters, (I learned cube is not a good shape, rather shorter and longer) and one should watch out for mirroring glass in tanks ... it killed my fish which was fighting himself until he fatally hurt himself.
- When setting up first tank I wish I knew ahead about the black soil for plants ... which I am not sure how it can be added later while the tank is already running.
- Right placement of the tank is also important. No direct sunlight and no close to heater or windy place.
- I wish I would have had put more effort into doing my initial research into fish personalities and compatibilities Each species act differently and one should not chose only by the looks of fish.

That's what I wish I knew before starting up the first tank
Just to tell you for your soil problem. I didn't try but I will in close future.
Adding frozen soil cubes under my gravel.
So plan is to buy soil good quality one, mix it with water and put it in freezer in box for ice cubes and then add every day 2-3 cubes (so temperature dosent go drastically down) and repeat process for next 10-14 day or until I have no more soil. I will try it and will see how dose it goes. Maybe I will do some guide on forum with pictures after I finish it if it works.
 
Dave125g
  • #19
Temperature range, "true"tank size requirements and proper tank mates.
 
123
  • #20
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Just to tell you for your soil problem. I didn't try but I will in close future.
Adding frozen soil cubes under my gravel.
So plan is to buy soil good quality one, mix it with water and put it in freezer in box for ice cubes and then add every day 2-3 cubes (so temperature dosent go drastically down) and repeat process for next 10-14 day or until I have no more soil. I will try it and will see how dose it goes. Maybe I will do some guide on forum with pictures after I finish it if it works.

This is a genius idea! I love it and will definitely do this in my other tank Thank you for sharing this, and I thing a picture guide would be great as well!
 
appcontrol
  • #21
This is a genius idea! I love it and will definitely do this in my other tank Thank you for sharing this, and I thing a picture guide would be great as well!
When got some time I will definitely do it
 
Dave125g
  • #22
This is a genius idea! I love it and will definitely do this in my other tank Thank you for sharing this, and I thing a picture guide would be great as well!
It's gonna cause a major ammonia spike. It's best to dirt a tank without water or fish in it.
 
YesI'mCycled
  • #23
Realise a lot of the responses are about cycling and fish - Thinking back in my recent experience I would want to know
- that the kit light is suboptimal for plants (particularly considering I had just spent a 100 dollars on a quality soil substrate)
- not be sold plants that really prefer high lighting
- that the filtration has enough flow to minimise build up on slow growing plants
- a warning that snails might come with the plants and you might want to quarantine / treat to minimise the risk
- it would also be nice to be offered some filter material to accelerate the cycle
 
ElAhrairah
  • #24
The time I've spent working at a chain store that it's typically good to ask a few questions whether than info dump on someone right away, because if you start rattling off temperature + PH requirements for a clown loach when a person has a ten gallon, the PH and temp become a moot point... at least, the way I see it.

So I ask the customer how big their tank is, how long it's been running, what other fish are in there at the moment... sometimes more questions depending on the fish or how much they seem to know, but those are the basics.

I don't know how it is where you work, but at mine we're not allowed to refuse a fish sale unless we know it's for birthday parties/carnivals/ things of that nature... some people don't want to listen, but the best thing you can do is to give them information!
 

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