What vegetables aren't safe for fish?

SouthAmericanCichlids

What veggies aren't safe to feed fish? Any specific ones? I am planning on making my own fish food, and these are the veggies I am planning on, though in small amounts each:

Some mint, oregano, sage, and rosemary (Powder, like a pure spice)
Ginger
Basil
Dandelion
Carrot
Cucumber
Broccoli
Lettuce
Brussel sprouts
Asparagus

(I'll be mixing in some others that I already know are safe)
 

MacZ

Some mint, oregano, sage, and rosemary (Powder, like a pure spice)
Please don't use them. While it clouds your water the fish will very much not like getting those on their mucous membranes. Mint is a natural remedy against skin and gill flukes. Doesn't work every time, but works often.

Used in combination with high proof alcohol to disinfect fish in south/east asia. An acquaintance got a recipe in the philipines, removes 90% of all gill and skin worms. He uses a bath of this for new arrivals. Works like a charm and very much side-effect free. I should probably translate his recipe at one point. Very much too spicy for the fish to be confronted with for longer periods of times.

Basil - safe in small amounts (aetheric oils)
Dandelion - safe
Carrot - safe
Cucumber - definitely safe
Broccoli- safe
Lettuce - can have pesticides and high levels of ferilizer residue
Brussel sprouts - safe
Asparagus - safe
Especially with Brassica (anything cale-like) make sure it doesn't stay in the tank too long, 24 hours tops. Edit: Times for the stuff fed freshly will tell you how it impacts the shelf life of your food.

Hope this helps.
 

SouthAmericanCichlids

I don't quite understand, is ginger safe or no?
 

MacZ

I don't quite understand, is ginger safe or no?
I'd be very sparse with it. A hint of a dash.
 

SouthAmericanCichlids

Any other spices, herbs, or veggies I could add for vitamins or antiparasitc/antiviral effects? (The ones I didn't list here are: Spinach and peas)
 

MacZ

Spinach and peas are not worth it anyway.
Garlic is good in small amounts. Leave out other spices.

For what fish are you preparing? Right now this seems a strict herbivore diet.

Grains, legumes and anything starchy you can leave out straight away. Fish have no use for carbs.
 

Noroomforshoe

Spirulina and nori would be good additions, yam has a lot of vitamins. I dont know what lettuce type you had in mind, but consider spinach or kale. You want to try to get a variety of vitamins, often with vegetables, when you have a variety of colors, you have a variety of vitamins too.
 

SouthAmericanCichlids

Spinach and peas are not worth it anyway.
Garlic is good in small amounts. Leave out other spices.

For what fish are you preparing? Right now this seems a strict herbivore diet.

Grains, legumes and anything starchy you can leave out straight away. Fish have no use for carbs.
These are just the veggie ingredients, I will have a ratio of 2 parts meat to 1 part mixed veggies, I will also include spiralina and paprika for pigments. Would yellow bell pepper be safe for them, or too spicy? This would be for yellow pigments.
 

Noroomforshoe

I put yellow pepper in when i made my own fish food. it was probably 5% of the total contents. the fish are fine and love the food. another ingredient you might consider, a big scoop of cricket flour.
 

jinjerJOSH22

These are just the veggie ingredients, I will have a ratio of 2 parts meat to 1 part mixed veggies, I will also include spiralina and paprika for pigments. Would yellow bell pepper be safe for them, or too spicy? This would be for yellow pigments.
For what fish exactly? Also what kind of meat?
 

DoubleDutch

Isn't it easier to make a list of vegs and stuff which is fish safe instead of the other way around ?
 

Noroomforshoe

I would think there are fewer things that are unsafe. Like ochra, I just read it can have bad effects on some people. And onions are bad for dogs, and garlic is bad for cats.
 

DoubleDutch

I would think there are fewer things that are unsafe. Like ochra, I just read it can have bad effects on some people. And onions are bad for dogs, and garlic is bad for cats.
Okay, you think it is an easier read to mention the unsafe vegs.

Then we're on the right track hahahaha
 

SouthAmericanCichlids

For what fish exactly? Also what kind of meat?
This is just going to be a general food for all of my omnivores (Most of my fish). I will be using cod.
Isn't it easier to make a list of vegs and stuff which is fish safe instead of the other way around ?
Yeah, probably...
 

MacZ

This is just going to be a general food for all of my omnivores (Most of my fish).
What was your stocking list again?
 

DoubleDutch

hahaha just visualized a fish in a restaurant reading the menu.
"Can I order sweet potatoe with brusselssprouts with a touch of Oregano? For desert we'll have ........"
 

SouthAmericanCichlids

What was your stocking list again?
Angels, tetras of multiple types, guppies, pleco & reticulated hillstream loach(Will make separate food or just store bought food), soon to be honey gourami and possibly a single appisto.
hahaha just visualized a fish in a restaurant reading the menu.
"Can I order sweet potatoe with brusselssprouts with a touch of Oregano? For desert we'll have ........"
"Might I suggest the Salm on bread."
"Oh, I remember Sam, he was such a nice salmon"
 

DoubleDutch

Angels, tetras of multiple types, guppies, pleco & reticulated hillstream loach(Will make separate food or just store bought food), soon to be honey gourami and possibly a single appisto.

"Might I suggest the Salm on bread."
"Oh, I remember Sam, he was such a nice salmon"
Mainly carnivores btw !
 

MacZ

Angels, tetras of multiple types, guppies, pleco & reticulated hillstream loach(Will make separate food or just store bought food), soon to be honey gourami and possibly a single appisto.
As DoubleDutch said: Almost all carnivorous, two omnivores, one "herbivore"*. The only two that might be happy with all the vegetables are the hillstream loaches and the pleco. And maybe the guppies. The rest should actually not get any of it.

Now before you say manufacturers of dry foods include that too: It's all filler and making people who have no idea of fish nutrition think it's "healthier" because for us veggies are. Nutritionally there is no value in it, at least for the cichlids and the tetras.

Rather do 90% meaty stuff and proteins for those and add some vitamins and minerals.

A few months back Ivan Mikolji uploaded two videos about making your own fish food to youtube. Give it a watch. Might be very helpful. I had most of that info before seeing the videos, but I also learned a thing or two.



* I agree with what is said in the video: There are almost no strict herbivorous fish.
 

veggieshark

I would think there are fewer things that are unsafe. Like ochra, I just read it can have bad effects on some people. And onions are bad for dogs, and garlic is bad for cats.
A friend of mine swears by ocra, even his beta eats it.
I would be cautious with anything that is an herb more than a vegetable. Other than that most vegetables go fine. I stay away from things like onions, but maybe even they are ok in small amounts added to the mix.
 

MacZ

I stay away from things like onions, but maybe even they are ok in small amounts added to the mix.
Aliums (onions, chives, leek, spring onions) are mostly not safe. Garlic only in smaller amounts and rather as a med.
 

SouthAmericanCichlids

Mainly carnivores btw !

As DoubleDutch said: Almost all carnivorous, two omnivores, one "herbivore"*. The only two that might be happy with all the vegetables are the hillstream loaches and the pleco. And maybe the guppies. The rest should actually not get any of it.

Now before you say manufacturers of dry foods include that too: It's all filler and making people who have no idea of fish nutrition think it's "healthier" because for us veggies are. Nutritionally there is no value in it, at least for the cichlids and the tetras.

Rather do 90% meaty stuff and proteins for those and add some vitamins and minerals.

A few months back Ivan Mikolji uploaded two videos about making your own fish food to youtube. Give it a watch. Might be very helpful. I had most of that info before seeing the videos, but I also learned a thing or two.



* I agree with what is said in the video: There are almost no strict herbivorous fish.
Interesting, I thought, besides the angels, they were omnivorous.
 

SouthAmericanCichlids

So I came back to this because at the time I just didn't want to spend a ton of time doing math, I forgot about it, so I remembered now. So, I've adjusted the proportions of what you've said, so out of the following vegetables, which would you suggest, I want like 4 at most (Considering, I will add at least a tiny bit of bell pepper for coloration afterwards):

Mint
Basil
Dandelion
Carrots
Spinach
Cucumber
Broccoli
Brussel sprouts
Asparagus
Peas
Bell pepper


Would it be enough vitamins with basil, carrots, dandelion, and spinach? I can get these for free, either by them being grown by my mother or we just have a ton.
 

Noroomforshoe

If using broccoli or dandelion, realize that the greens and the stems have different vitamins than the florets. so use all parts!
Those are all good vegitable choices, you cant go wrong. I would deffinitly use carrots as one choice. I would also add some garlic.
 

Cinabar

Note: dandelion is pretty fibrous, or at least in my experience. Make sure you have a high powered blender or you won’t be able to get the pieces small enough
 

SouthAmericanCichlids

If using broccoli or dandelion, realize that the greens and the stems have different vitamins than the florets. so use all parts!
Those are all good vegitable choices, you cant go wrong. I would deffinitly use carrots as one choice. I would also add some garlic.
Yeah, I'll be adding paprika, garlic, and chlorella for color and attraction for the fish.
 

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