What Is Wrong With My Ram Important

Discussion in 'Freshwater Beginners' started by DB89, Jun 16, 2019.

  1. DB89New MemberMember

    Hi all,

    Long time lurker, first time poster. Any idea what's wrong with/growing on my German Ram's pectoral fin? Video below:

    Ammonia 0
    Nitrite 0
    Nitrate 3
    pH 7.1

    Tank (127L) has been running since Feb, cycle is well established. Had the rams for about a week. Tankmates are 2 snails, 7 Corys and 6 Cherry Barb's. Suspect ram is eating ok, but seems to be doing clear poos. Other fish showing no other symptoms.

    In Australia but have prazipro, metroplex, tetra lifeguard and API Furan-2 on hand. Also have an aqua one broad spectrum cure.
  2. Katestanks02New MemberMember

    It kind of looks like fungus. Does it look fluffy/fuzzy? I’ve never kept rams but I know they can be finicky and like higher temps. Usually fungal infection is brought on by a fish being stressed. If you have access to api they have a fungus cure. I usually use Hikari ich x but I don’t know if you have that brand. Most fungal meds will stain silicon so a quarantine tank would prevent that. It could be ich if it’s smooth. Ich looks like salt granules.
  3. DB89New MemberMember

    It looks a little fuzzy I guess? Like spider web maybe?

    Here is another video (apologies about the background music, kids are watching TV):

  4. Katestanks02New MemberMember

    The fin looks a little frayed in that video. Maybe fin rot or he damaged the fin and a fungal infection set in. It doesn’t look like ich though. Id get something to clear up the fungus. You probably still need to figure out what caused it. Since they’re new fish it could just be from the adjustment. If it’s fin rot you’ll want to get an antibiotic as well but I’d wait on the antibiotic for someone else to also chime in.

    I wasn’t familiar with the tetralife guard but after looking it up it sounds like if it’s either fungal, fin rot or both that should clear it up.
    Last edited by a moderator: Jun 16, 2019
  5. coralbanditFishlore VIPMember

    Thinking you have 2 of the same sex and one is whipping the other ?
  6. DB89New MemberMember

    I think the one in the video is female. My other one is definitely make. Either that or theyre both male. Any ideas?
  7. coralbanditFishlore VIPMember

    Seeing both clearly would help to resolve that ..
    One in video does look female and also has same thing going on above eye and on top of head as the pectoral fin …
    I would getting on water changes to up water quality and making sure temp is 82f+ before installing meds ?
  8. DB89New MemberMember

    82F ok for the Cory's and cherry Barb's?

    Here's one of both of them

    Attached Files:

    Last edited by a moderator: Jun 16, 2019
  9. coralbanditFishlore VIPMember

    Rams need to be 80f+ right up to 86 easy ..
    Less weakens their immune system and shortens their already short life ..
    As for other fish I guess you have to choose who you favor ?
    The ram will not tolerate living in some other fishes conditions ..
    That is why the choices of proper stocking with them is very limited and I personally think they should be in a tank to themselves [like discus ]…
    Maybe just me ? I take my rams seriously and always tell my customers that the fish NEEDS to be the #1 fish in tank to do well.
    Hoping the forum clears up its picture issue soon as looking at tiny pics on my phone is not my thing ..Vids seem to be working well as I saw yours and posted mine without issue also yesterday .
  10. DB89New MemberMember

    Ok so I've just put the temp up to about 27.5 degrees Celcius (81.5F). Hopefully that will help a little.

    Here are two videos, one of each Ram:

    Also, tank is just coming down off a diatom bloom hence the brown on the glass.

    Here's a better video of them both with a better close up of the pectoral fin:

  11. coralbanditFishlore VIPMember

    Could be a pair ?
    What are you feeding them ?
    Poop looks funny on the one with issue..
  12. DB89New MemberMember

    3algae wafers, frozen bloodworm & brine shrimp (thawed first in tank water) and some flakes and micro pellets to mix things up a bit. The one with the issues seems to still be eating ok.

    Any ideas on diagnosis and treatment?
  13. coralbanditFishlore VIPMember

    Safest thing to dose first is Prazi and metro together ..
    Many discus keepers do that as a prophylactic treatment on all fish they introduce .
    That and generally speaking Prazi is very safe ,needing to be overdosed like by 500 times to cause issue with fish .
    Just me but here is how meds work [all] .
    You need stronger meds to kill larger issues .You want a med that will kill what ever but not your fish ,sometimes with other meds [like kanamycin] the proper dose is close to lethal for your fish so treatment with them is hit or miss ?
    Offer more blood worms [frozen] ,the rams will thank you ...
  14. DB89New MemberMember

    If it is ich will both of those together help?
  15. coralbanditFishlore VIPMember

    No they won't touch ich .You need Malachite Green and Formulin to kill ich quick. The best meds have both and work well[ rid ich plus/quick cure / ridx ]. Stay away from herbal junk .
    It is not ich ..It is stress ,water and possibly an internal worm/protozoa IMO..
    I have kept and breed rams over the last 5+ years never seen ich once ..
    Seen just about everything else with them though ! They basically are all garbage stock unless obtained from a respected breeder which I would complain about but , I am who I am because of that !
    Does the pair get along basically ?
  16. DB89New MemberMember

    First night there was a little chasing around but now they just stick together and follow each other around the tank.
    All of the fish seem to be getting along great.

    I've turned off the UV sterilizer and dosed Prazi and metro into the water according to the packet instructions. What's the best protocol for water changes and dosages?
  17. coralbanditFishlore VIPMember

    Nice ! The UV can't hurt at all. I run the DR.Chihiros in my breeding tanks ..
    Follow the directions on the meds ; Metro is installed daily for 7 days ,Pazi is every 3 days .
    My metro says 25% water change daily so if you do that then up Prazi to every other day ..
  18. DB89New MemberMember

    The Prazi bottle said no UV? Just put the UV back on you think?
  19. coralbanditFishlore VIPMember

    I would run it after treatment .
    Good find ..
  20. jmaldoWell Known MemberMember

    Welcome to the forum!
    Thanks for sharing.
    I see @coralbandit the "Ram" guru is on the case.
    Learning along with you,
    Good Luck!