20 Gallon Tank What is his colour morph?

My 20g temperate tank is cycled and I've had my first trio of guppies in for 2 weeks (had bad luck with them in the past, wanted to make sure they survived before asking this).
My 1 female is solid grey the other is half black. The thing is I don't know what my male is. I've not seen anything like him in the stores before.
The pictures are going to be blurry because he's constantly on the move but his body is solid white with a orange/purple tail.

 

No idea sorry but I quite like the white body, looks cool!

 

No idea sorry but I quite like the white body, looks cool!

Thanks, my intent was to get a snakeskin from the store but I instantly loved that one. There was only one other male in the tank the same colour and honesty I've never seen this type before.
Hopefully someone knows.

 

This male belongs to the magenta colored guppies. But he's got the Störzbach gene. This makes the magenta look more metallic grey till even white. This way a lot of white strains are made. It's different from platinum or metal heads. The gene is very dominant in inheritance.
But to be honest, such guppies have become popular in commercial strains for the past few years. At least, overhere in western-europe.

 

Thank you so much! I'm in Canada so maybe the strain is just making it's way over now.

 

Are these guppies from an assorted tank at the store?

 

Are these guppies from an assorted tank at the store?

I've had bad luck with guppies at my lfs in the past so I went to petsmart.

 

I've had bad luck with guppies at my lfs in the past so I went to petsmart.

Gotcha. I just wanted to clarify because you had described another guppy that sounded quite different. I also didn't think that you would find magenta strains among assorted guppies, I might be inclined to think that their popularity surged already but who knows. Emeraldking shed some amazing light on IDing the dominant genes that your male has shown.

 

I might be inclined to think that their popularity surged already but who knows.

All I know is that in all the years I've walked past and fawned over the guppy tank I've not seen this particular colour.
Of course they could have sold out before I've seen any.

 

Gotcha. I just wanted to clarify because you had described another guppy that sounded quite different. I also didn't think that you would find magenta strains among assorted guppies, I might be inclined to think that their popularity surged already but who knows. Emeraldking shed some amazing light on IDing the dominant genes that your male has shown.

All I know is that in all the years I've walked past and fawned over the guppy tank I've not seen this particular colour.
Of course they could have sold out before I've seen any.

Well, magenta guppies are nowadays commerciallywise sold as assorted guppies. The störzbach gene is taking care of it that the metallic shine in combination with magenta will make the body look metallic grey till almost metallic white. And depending on the base color (the color they're born with before any other coloration will show up, this could be grey, blonde, golden, bronze, etc based guppies), the magenta it self on the head and in the fins may look even like pink, orange or purple. That's what the combination of magenta, störzbach and the base color may give as a result.
But in this case, when I mention assorted guppies, I mean how wholesaler provides stores of assorted guppies overhere. I don't know how it is in Canada nowadays. I only know how it was when I was still living in Canada. But that's already years ago.

 

Well, magenta guppies are nowadays commerciallywise sold as assorted guppies. The störzbach gene is taking care of it that the metallic shine in combination with magenta will make the body look metallic grey till almost metallic white. And depending on the base color (the color they're born with before any other coloration will show up, this could be grey, blonde, golden, bronze, etc based guppies), the magenta it self on the head and in the fins may look even like pink, orange or purple. That's what the combination of magenta, störzbach and the base color may give as a result.
But in this case, when I mention assorted guppies, I mean how wholesaler provides stores of assorted guppies overhere. I don't know how it is in Canada nowadays. I only know how it was when I was still living in Canada. But that's already years ago.

Fascinating! I am from Hawai'i, which has a huge community of people who fancy keeping and breeding guppies. I've only really seen magenta lines from people who breed guppies, but almost never in commercial stores. However, now that I think about it, I can recall somebody who asked for people to ID some guppies he adopted from a friend coming out of the hobby. Their friend had a hodgepodge of guppies (I never asked but it could have started from some assorted guppies they bought), and he ended up with a couple with clear magenta genes. I dont believe they carried the störzbach gene though, or at least it was much less prominent, maybe more like a metal head if anything iirc. Anyway, he ended up selectively breeding for brighter pinks, and last I saw they were coming out nicely but that was earlier this year. I actually don't know much about the magenta line so thank you for sharing this knowledge!

 

At this moment I've got another new strain developing as magenta colored ones. If you'd see the first breeding couples I've used, you might not believe it. But I knew the genetic history of the F0 couples. But phenotypically, the males used were white and blonde based. The females were albino opal panda guppies and blonde based. The males used carried the magenta gene and the females carried the pink gene. However, with this pink gene, a dwarf growth gene is connected to this specific pink gene. Despite of the fact that the females were blonde based, they've carried the grey based body gene recessively. Usually a grey based body is dominant but once a blonde gene is already involved, and only blonde genes are added to the bloodline, only blondes will phenotypically show up and the grey will become recessive instead of dominant. These females are descendants of the regular dwarf panda guppies that are grey body based with a dominant pink gene. The magenta gene is bonded easier to the grey body gene than the blonde. And don't forget that magenta is a dominant gene. Same goes for the störzbach gene that both guppy strains are carrying. Mixing up males of the white males with opal albino pandas, results in grey based bodied offspring (despite of the fact that the F0s are blonde based). The females will remain grey bodied with just small shine of magenta at the caudal penducle and black pattern in the fins. And the male offspring will become magenta with some black pattern in the finnage. The size of the adult offspring is similar to endlers. Phenotypically, the male offspring does look similar to males of the chili endlers (red scarlet endlers) but they're missing out on a black bar mark on both sides of the chest. And their tails don't have short swords but are fully colored.
My goal with this new strain, is to use them as a base for new future projects.

 

So question. My male is white magenta and one of my females is a half black, what colour do you think their offspring will be? I know the male has the dominant gene but will a few be half white half black? Or white bodied with a black tail?

My females cane pregnant from the store so I can't trust the first batch(es) of fry.

 

So question. My male is white magenta and one of my females is a half black, what colour do you think their offspring will be? I know the male has the dominant gene but will a few be half white half black? Or white bodied with a black tail?

My females cane pregnant from the store so I can't trust the first batch(es) of fry.

You're right that we can not give a proper answer when it comes to the fry if the females were already storing sperm packets from another mating. But let's pretend that we only have to deal with this male and female, The magenta from the male will be passed on. But if the black of the female comes from the moscow gene, black will appear on the male offspring together with magenta. For females with the moscow gene are carrying the dominant moscow trait, males with the moscow gene are carrying the moscow gene recessively (despite of the fact that males show more black when they're a moscow type). If it's just black but not specifically moscow in those females, the offspring can become dark but mostly not real black. It can even make the magenta a bit darker as if it looks purple in the male offspring.
But again, with not knowing if she carries sperm packets of another male or males, the outcome of those fry can be different from what I've just told. And this male and female can carry other traits if they were already of mixed blood. But what I've said about the male, is based on his phenotype (the way he looks).

 

Interesting, thanks. My other female is solid grey so she's a bit of a wildcard as to what's in her.

 

Interesting, thanks. My other female is solid grey so she's a bit of a wildcard as to what's in her.

After giving birth last week my great female has been more friendly, I noticed a blue shine in her scales so maybe blue babies from her. I'll add a picture if she lets me take a clear one.

In the meantime here's the clearest picture I could get of 1 of the 7 babies, they're all that colour right now. Can't wait to see what they turn out to be.

 

Sorry to revive a dead thread but the second and third batches of fry have been born. I'm able to sex about 5 of the surviving fry of the second batch with the rest still being a bit younger (having 2 females not giving birth at the same time will do that).
From what I can see I have 3 females and 2 males.

Female 1: grey body yellow tail with black spots, she takes after the adult all grey female who has a touch of yellow on her tail

Female 2: 100% grey, a couple of black spots on tail

Female 3: The most interesting imo, grey head, black tail base like the adult half black female, orange patterned tail fin like the adult male.

Male 1: grey body orange patterned tail, not sure if he'll turn out white like the adult male

Male 2: Tiny version of the adult male, bright white body with the orange tail.

Like I said the rest of batch 2 is too young still but nothing more noticable than a few with tail patterns. And batch 3 is too young but I can tell some have the start of orange tails and some will be half blacks.

Will post more pictures if they decide to stand still long enough.