Want to add Angelfish

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I'm wondering if anyone has experience keeping livebearers and Angelfish together. My Mollies are very tame and get along great with the one Swordtail I have now and I've read that Angels can be kept with livebearers, but I just want to double check.

I am thinking about eventually adding one Angelfish to my tank with 3 Swordtails, 5 Mollies and my Bristlenose Pleco. Checking with AqAdvisor, it says my stocking level would be 118%. However it doesn't have a filtration selection for my ZooMed powerhead which I assume acts like a filter too because it sponge on the intake tube and that collects some debris. But then again, I'm not for certain that really matters.

A couple questions I have:

Is keeping an Angel by itself ok?

I've read on some sites that Angels need 55 gallons, but the fish profile here says 20 minimum and tall. Would my 29 gallon would sufficient for just one?

Any tips or information would be appreciated, because I really like Angelfish but I don't want to get one if it would be too stressful to it or my other fish.
 

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29 g would be fine but they will eat any fry you happen to get.
Carol
 
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So 1 Angelfish, 5 Mollies, 3 Swords, and 1 pleco; good to go on the stocking list?
 

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Jrobber said:
Checking with AqAdvisor, it says my stocking level would be 118%. However it doesn't have a filtration selection for my ZooMed powerhead which I assume acts like a filter too because it sponge on the intake tube and that collects some debris. But then again, I'm not for certain that really matters.
How big is the sponge on your intake of the powerhead? That is a form of sponge filter and the filtration capacity is proportional to the water flow rate and the surface area of your sponge. Basically larger the better.

Never kept Angels so I can't help you there.
 
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Not sure on the sponge size but the powerhead is a ZooMed 214 which has a GPH flowrate of 160. If my math is correct, that would filter the entire tank 5 1/2 times an hour (again if my math is correct.)
 

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Jrobber said:
Not sure on the sponge size but the powerhead is a ZooMed 214 which has a GPH flowrate of 160. If my math is correct, that would filter the entire tank 5 1/2 times an hour (again if my math is correct.)
If that is a typical powerhead, that by itself won't do much in terms of filtration. Check your sponge size and let us know.
 
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Just by measuring the length/width of the sponge?
 

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Yes, I just want to know the physical size. That should give some indication. Also if it has any deep grooves or just smooth.
 
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It is a rectangular sponge and It has about a 4 inch length, 2 in wide by 2 in depth with small deep groves. According to my calculations it should have a surface area of 40 in. squared, give or take a few.
 

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Jrobber said:
It is a rectangular sponge and It has about a 4 inch length, 2 in wide by 2 in depth with small deep groves. According to my calculations it should have a surface area of 40 in. squared, give or take a few.
That's a pretty small block of sponge to be qualified as a sponge filter but better than nothing I suppose. ;D Sounds to be about the same as one of the media sponge for AquaClear mini filter.

If you are concerned about adding more filtration through this, you can swap it out with a larger one. Is there enough space to fit a larger sponge?
 
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Yeah I suppose, it came with the power head though. I don't really worry about filtration right now because my water is clear and my water parameters are steady. But I do only have four fish right now.

Before I had the power head, my Aqua Tech 20-40 kept the water as clear as it is now.
 

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Jrobber said:
Yeah I suppose, it came with the power head though. I don't really worry about filtration right now because my water is clear and my water parameters are steady. But I do only have four fish right now.

Before I had the power head, my Aqua Tech 20-40 kept the water as clear as it is now.
Sounds like you have enough filtration for now.

Once you add your fish, the best indication is the water parameter. Keep doing what you are doing, and I'm sure you will do fine.
 
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Right on, my plan is to add two more fish Thursday. Then three weeks later, the remaining three livbearers. Then 3-4 weeks after that add the Angelfish. That should be sufficient time between additions to monitor nitrate levels and give my bacteria colonies tome to strengthen.
 

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Sounds like a plan.
 

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Jrobber said:
So 1 Angelfish, 5 Mollies, 3 Swords, and 1 pleco; good to go on the stocking list?
Sounds good as long as it's not a big pleco
Carol
 

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First post did mention Bristlenose, so I assume he is keeping the same option.
 

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yhbae said:
First post did mention Bristlenose, so I assume he is keeping the same option.
Hope so
Carol
 
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Yeah I already have the Bristlenose Pleco in my tank now.
 

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That sounds like a solid plan I'd love to have a set up like that with angels and mollies. I love angels and have a growing interest in livebearers. I hope to get away with adding 3 guppies to my 20 this week or early next.
 
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