Video Of Freaky Hybrids: Don't Buy Random Fish Labeled "endlers"

  1. endlercollector

    endlercollector Fishlore VIP Member

    I tried explaining to a mom and pop LFS recently that I have N class Endlers as opposed to the random "Endlers" in a tank of guppies that they had. They just didn't get it. And an acquaintance who has some random crosses in her tank offered to "trade" some for my N class fish. I gently and firmly said "no." I would have gifted her a few, but take on more of these unplanned and unculled crosses? No way!

    So here, for your enjoyment, is a tank I have of random, poorly bred hybrids, that I got from someone who swore up and down that he had Endlers. These are the poor creatures that the females gave birth, too, along with hybrids that look like comma bars. Ack! A while ago, I posted about a female in that tank who grabbed a male and ate him alive. The one with the huge tail that can barely swim has the same structural issues :0 So I'm letting them live out their short lives in a separate tank. I have 3 such tanks of random crosses that may have some N class fish mixed in. I can't tell the females apart, so it doesn't matter if they produce some cute males. I just don't know what will pop up out of their gene pool!

     
  2. Seasoldier

    Seasoldier Well Known Member Member

    Wow, they are some messed up fish, good for you for letting them live their lives out rather than ending them.
     


  3. Fishgirl71

    Fishgirl71 Valued Member Member

    OMG! Not good! I have wondered what people do with endlers or guppies with curved backs. I was not sure if this is a transferrable genetic accident meaning the offspring will have the same problem? I always feel so bad for these little fish.

    As for endler classes, I had a similar experience at my LFS store recently. I tried to explain I had N-class endlers from Adrian HD, and they just started talking about unpure mixed endlers and that they were not interested in them. They didn't know who Adrian HD was, and did not seem to grasp that I have some pure endlers. They also told me they would give me less than $1 for my cory cat babies, so I am not sure I want to even do any business with them at all.

    Are you seeking some N-class endlers, Endler collector? What are you looking for?
     


  4. qldmick

    qldmick New Member Member

    well at least you've got the common sense not to breed them, I would just cull them myself I did that with a well coloured female guppy I brought that I never realised had a kinked back. it looks like fish with negative deformity's were used to breed those fish, its in their genes now.
     
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    endlercollector

    endlercollector Fishlore VIP Member

    Actually, scoliosis can become quite common in a tank because it's a common mutation. In the wild, deformed fry are readily eaten as they don't swim as well. What happened here was that a male with a slight kink in his back produced fry that had no apparent scoliosis but then the next generation had daughters with the mutation breeding with him again and then, bingo, extreme scoliosis from the start. I started pulling out and separating those fish that had mild enough scoliosis that they could still breed. Then there were the ones that were no extremely twisted up that they can't physically reproduce. It's fascinating how badly things can go when there's no predator to help balance the mutations.

    Ugh, I think LFS have contributed to the destruction of Endlers by throwing them in randomly with guppies. I eventually found good breeders on line, but even so I got some questionable fish from one of them when he threw in some females from a relative's tank that turned out to be guppies. Ugh. That really messed up my tank situation. I now have 3 tanks of unwanted hybrids, 8 tanks of different N class color morphs, a tank of Chili hybrids, and one of rainbow hybrids. That's not counting tanks of other types of fish and invertebrates. So many tanks, so little time :0
     
  6. Lacey D

    Lacey D Valued Member Member

    .... Chilis huh? Do you sell online? I'm in Washington, so it's not that far... :D *smacks herself because she REALLY doesn't need more fish right now....really* >_>
     
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    endlercollector

    endlercollector Fishlore VIP Member

    Sorry to say I haven't gotten to the point where I feel comfortable shipping fish as we have such wide temperature variations. There's a narrow window of time between Nov and Feb where it works for us, but then it's too cold in much of the U.S.