Urgent! Miserable Bloated baby BN pleco with white spot please help

RedSolace
  • #1
HI all.
I'm new to fish keeping and in a predicament with my little Albino longfin BN pleco and I'm incredibly concerned about him/her.
I woke up to feed the fishes as usual this morning and to my horror I noticed the little one absolutely covered in white spot and bloated
He/she has been hanging at the top for a couple of days but has been eating normally and active so I thought it might have been an aeration problem , so I added a larger air stone and raised the filter above water level for more disturbance but he/she's still up there and now suffering from all these problems! DX

I've been feeding a varied diet: algae wafers, blanched zucchinI , cucumber, carrot etc so I can't comprehend where the bloat has come from.
I fed shelled, boiled peas this morning and have treated the whole tank with Interpet AntI white spot #6 and turned the temp up to 26/79
Is there anything else I can do to help the poor lil thing? I feel awful for him/her and I'm worried he/she's not going to make it
Its a 20 gallon tank and houses 8 zebra danio along with the little pleco, the Danio all seem fine and have no visible trace of white spot.

The pleco is only 4cms long and I've only had him/her for 2 weeks.

The water readings are
PH - 7.0
Ammonia - 0.50
Nitrite - 0
Nitrate - 10.0
And I'm treating with daily full doses of seachem prime

I was unable to get photos from underneath but this is his/her current state, it's hanging on a stocking filled with preserved filter media I have in there from an old cycled filter pump that crashed a week or so ago.
I cut some of this media out to use in the new filter pump which is an Elite submersible. Should I take the stocking out? could it be causing problems? , my pleco has been rasping on it.

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(Open in a new tab to zoom, you can really see how bad the white spot is when up close )
Any help is extremely appreciated, thank you in advance <3.

*Update*
Ok just wanted to report that my little guy's bloat has gone down a teeny bit but I still haven't seen him poop and now have another problem I'm hoping someone can help me with .
So , although still horribly bloated, his tummy has deflated enough for me to be able to see what's going on in there and it doesn't look so good
It appears he's mostly full of liquid and his actual stomach is pushed off to one side? he also has this red patch inside that looks as if it could be some kind of ulcer or lesion? , hard to tell because he's so small, but he's lost almost all his color now and looks extremely pale, his eyes are very dull too. I'm really afraid he's not going to survive honestly.
I wasn't sure if I should post another thread for this or just update here, but I've attached pictures to see if anyone knows what is going on and what I should do

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jhammy96
  • #2
I know that white spots is a symptom of ich, but I'll let someone a little more experienced than I am give you recommendations on that


 
RedSolace
  • Thread Starter
  • #3
Oh absolutely, that much I do know and am treating for
 
DoubleDutch
  • #4
I seriously doubt this is Ich.
 
RedSolace
  • Thread Starter
  • #5
Really? do you have any idea what else it could be?
You can zoom in this pic to get a closer look
 
jhammy96
  • #6
I couldn't really make out much in the picture, the OP just mentioned white spots so I suggested it
 
DoubleDutch
  • #7
Hard to to see size. The spots look to big to be Ich. Can you place a big with more "tank" so we can compare size.
Are the gassbubbles on the fish itself as well ir do those have an external cause?
 
aliray
  • #8
I have no idea, maybe hampalong can help. Poor baby looks really sick. For those bubbles to stick like that he might have more of a slime coat from whatever the problem is. Alison
 
RedSolace
  • Thread Starter
  • #9
ok! I'll get a better picture for you as soon as I can, the pleco is only 4cms total length from nose to tail tip though , very small, so the spots I'd say are only about 1mm or less diameter.
The bubbles are just from the air stone and where he/she was hanging at the time. They're not fixed there , but yes very sick baby
 
DoubleDutch
  • #10
Ich are more or less grains of salt size. These spots look bigger to me.
But I can be wrong.
 
mattgirl
  • #11
Are those raised spots on him or is he in the air stone stream of bubbles? My ABN is actually covered with tiny white speckles but hers are just part of her pattern. It sounds like you are feeding him what he needs but do you have any drift wood in there for him? I think I would remove the used filter media or at least put it somewhere that he can't get to. He may be getting more of the gunk off of it than is good for him. That is just a guess though.
 
RedSolace
  • Thread Starter
  • #12
A grain of salt size sounds about accurate honestly looking at them. But I will get more pictures anyway , Maybe with the fish beside a coin for comparison if that will help .
The medicine I am using doesn't state it is for ICH specifically, it is just called antI white spot (for white spot parasite disease on fish), does that mean it could treat other causes too?
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Those are bubbles from the air stone yes
And I do have MopanI drift wood in the tank that he/she rasps on frequently. I Also did remove the media earlier and stuck some zucchinI in it's place instead he/she's stuck on that now XD
I was thinking an epsom salt bath might help , or do you think that is a bad idea?
 
mattgirl
  • #13
It truly may not be any kind of serious problem. It might help to hear that I experienced something similar with my smallest little guy. One day I noticed that he was just hanging out toward the top of my tank. His belly was much bigger than usual and was black. It freaked me out and I was sure I was going to lose him. I didn't do anything other than watch him as I am convinced that we can often do more harm than good trying to treat something when we don't know what is causing the problem. After a couple of days he was back to his normal self. I can only surmise that the black belly was just something he ate and the swollen belly was because he ate too much of it. Your little guy may have just eaten to much off of the used media.

The while spots you are seeing may just be his coloration coming through. I have 2. The biggest one is really showing the white speckles and they cover every bit of her body and fins. It truly is just part of her coloration. They came on gradually as she grew.. My tiny one isn't showing his full color yet but I expect the speckles to start showing up as he grows.

Since what ever is going on with your little guy doesn't appear to be ich I would lower the heat back down because danios really need cooler temps.
 
RedSolace
  • Thread Starter
  • #14
Ah yes!
his little tummy does appear to be very dark so I think you might be right about him just eating too much of whatever was accumulating on the filter media. Hopefully with any luck he will poop after eating some zucchini.
As for the white spots, I did just go over to check them all and have noticed a couple on one of my danios too!
I shall try and snap some pictures of her too, it might be easier to judge size on an adult danio, the spots are about the same size and shape as the ones on the pleco. I will be right back with pics.
Thank you for all the advice though I really appreciate it, I've been frantic all morning!
 
mattgirl
  • #15
Well shoot, maybe it is ich after all. If that is the case hopefully someone that has actually had to treat it will come in and give you advice on what you need to do. Fortunately I've never had to contend with it.
 
RedSolace
  • Thread Starter
  • #16
Ah awwww well I guess it's better to know what it is than not, so at least I can try and help them.
Ok!
I got some pics, hopefully this will show just how tiny my pleco is, that is a rather small slice of zucchini.
I took some pics of the danio I mentioned too, they're not the best but you can quite clearly see the white spots on her tail.

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mattgirl
  • #17
I see what you are seeing but don't know what it is. I am hoping an ich expert will see this and can let you know for sure.
 
RedSolace
  • Thread Starter
  • #18
Fingers crossed! For now I turned the temperature back down to 23 and I'll just keep a very close eye on everyone and hope for the best. Thank you very much for the input though I feel a lot better about my lil guy
 
DoubleDutch
  • #19
The danio looks like the start of Ich allright. Still a bit puzzled about the BN.
Get some antI Ich med and start treating when things get worse.
I wouldn't use the heattreatment in this case, cause the BN already has problems breathing.
 
RedSolace
  • Thread Starter
  • #20
Ah! ok, thank you, I have some Ich medication on stand by, so I will keep the temp as is at 23 and use the medication if/when the danio gets more spots thank you again your advice is greatly appreciated, I really hope things get better soon
 
RedSolace
  • Thread Starter
  • #21
*Update*
Ok just wanted to report that my little guy's bloat has gone down a teeny bit but I still haven't seen him poop and now have another problem I'm hoping someone can help me with .
So , although still horribly bloated, his tummy has deflated enough for me to be able to see what's going on in there and it doesn't look so good
It appears he's mostly full of liquid and his actual stomach is pushed off to one side? he also has this red patch inside that looks as if it could be some kind of ulcer or lesion? , hard to tell because he's so small, but he's lost almost all his color now and looks extremely pale, his eyes are very dull too. I'm really afraid he's not going to survive honestly.
I wasn't sure if I should post another thread for this or just update here, but I've attached pictures to see if anyone here knows what is going on and what I should do

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