Urgent Help Needed for African Dwarf Frog

  1. xxbyamomentx Member Member

    Two days ago I added two African Dwarf Frogs to my tank setup. I've got a 10 gallon tank with two apple snails, a mystery snail, a nerite snail, and these two guys. No fish and I've never seen any disagreements between the frogs and snails...

    When I got my frogs, they came from Petco and one was slightly lighter than the other. I was fine with that, I figured if anything it'd make it easy for me to tell them apart. Drip acclimated them with no issues and they happily went into the snail tank. I came home from work today and noticed that the lighter frog was swimming a little crooked and was shedding his(her?) skin. I thought I could see a tiny red patch under its chin. I went out to get myself some groceries and thought I'd hand feed him when I got back to make sure he was okay. Came home less than an hour later and the red seems to have spread throughout his underbelly, and he was upside down in the tank on a piece of decoration. He seemed to have peeled in chunks, which I've heard isn't a good sign. I've moved him into a glass bowl with some tank water for the moment, and the other frog seems to be active and healthy with zero signs of any red spots.

    I've heard of the chytrid fungus, but I live in Southwest Florida and thought that was more of a winter/colder weather thing? Who knows where they originally came from, though... :/

    Is there anything I can do for this little guy? I've tried hand feeding him, but he doesn't seem interested. He's pretty still, and I'm afraid he won't make it. I'm scared to put him back in the tank but don't know what stress being in a small bowl of still tank water is causing him either.

    Water parameters are ammonia 0, nitrites 0, nitrates between 5 and 10, pH 7.6, and temperature around 77. The other frog and his snail buddies seem happy and active. The tank decorations are live plants, one plastic fake plant, a fake coral plant from petco, a piece of driftwood, and a terra cotta pot that is unfinished...all were washed and soaked throughly before being added and the driftwood was there before the frogs and bought already 'dealt with' so it wouldn't affect my pH or any other parameters.

    Where do I go from here?
  2. Lucy Moderator Moderator Member

    Hi xxbyamomentx I'm sorry your grog isn't well.
    Is it possible to post a picture?
    Usually redness is associated with a bacterial infection but everything else may be an indication of Chytrid.
  3. Platylover Fishlore VIP Member

    My first thought would be that the larger one is attacking him, but that could be wrong. A photo would be helpful, what are you feeding them? Sorry he isn't doing well, hope he gets feeling better! By the way Lucy, what is a grog? I've never heard of one...:p
  4. Lucy Moderator Moderator Member

  5. xxbyamomentx Member Member

    I'll try to get a decent picture, he's fairly red but every picture I take makes him seem so much redder than he really is. I've only got a phone camera and it seems to focus poorly. He peeled in maybe five or six chunks total, so he didn't look shreddy but he definitely didn't shed in one solid piece. He didn't have any injuries to my knowledge, and the other frog is swimming along and seems colorful and alert. Since I've only had them two days, the only food I'd gotten for them yet was the ReptoMin frog granules that I'd put out for them in a terra cotta saucer. According to the pet store, that's what they'd given them for food while they were there. The only thing that seems odd to me now that I'm looking back on it was the pale color in the first place, but he acted fine until this afternoon.
  6. Platylover Fishlore VIP Member

    Even if the pics make it look worse they will probably still be helpful, I'm not sure how much help I can be as I've only had 3 AFDF's. Has it gotten any worse since you put him into the qt?
  7. xxbyamomentx Member Member

    The red color got drastically worse over the course of a couple hours, but since then doesn't seem to be spreading. I promise that he isn't this red in real life! But the chin area is the issue I was seeing. I flipped him back over after taking the picture, but he definitely seems to have trouble flipping back over on his own. :/

  8. Platylover Fishlore VIP Member

    Poor guy, I don't think I can help much more, but I do notice a darker spot on his side. Don't know if that could have anything to do with it or not. I hope he gets better, what are the parameters?
  9. Lucy Moderator Moderator Member

    I'm really not much help here. If the redness continues I'd guess this was bacterial
  10. marijo Well Known Member Member

    Poor little guy, I'm sorry I cannot help, I never saw anything like that before
  11. xxbyamomentx Member Member

    Unfortunately, he passed. I'm not really sure what to do since I don't know what happened with him. Since I still have one frog, part of me feels like I should have a second so he isn't lonely...I'm afraid to get another one of his original tank mates from Petco in a way, though if it was really contagious I guess he would already have it. The remaining frog still seems to be just fine.

    My tank parameters are
    ammonia 0, nitrites 0, nitrates between 5 and 10, pH 7.6, and temperature at 77...I don't use a heater, I live in Florida and that's the tank temperature naturally in my room with the AC running.
  12. Platylover Fishlore VIP Member

    I'm so sorry.:( if you do get another frog I'd qt him, don't want something bad getting to your other frog.:(
  13. xxbyamomentx Member Member

    Would a 2.5 gallon with a filter rated for 3-10 gallons be good enough for a QT tank? I have a ready-to-go filter cartridge for the little filter shoved inside the large one in my main tank. I do have a lid for the tank somewhere around here, and I'd definitely find it before getting a second frog, especially if he has to go to such a small tank for a while.
  14. Platylover Fishlore VIP Member

    I'd think that would be fine, just watch and make sure he doesn't get sucked onto the filter. And also have a heater.:)
  15. xxbyamomentx Member Member

    Would I need a heater if my main tank runs at 77F without one? Since my QT tank is smaller, it may end up running a degree or two hotter...I have a digital thermometer, so I'll know for sure. I'm afraid to make the water too hot for him...
  16. Platylover Fishlore VIP Member

    In that case then it should be fine without one.:)
  17. TwoTonedTanker Member Member

    He could have hurt himself shedding, and that could've been internal bleeding
  18. Lucy Moderator Moderator Member

    I'm so sorry you lost him.

    When you get another frog be sure to quarantine him for at least 3 months due to Chytrid.
    It's a long time but will be worth it for the health of your existing frog.
  19. marijo Well Known Member Member

    I'm sorry you lost your frog:( You really need to quarantine new frogs, you have room in your 10 gallons for another 2 or 3 adf's if you wish to get more than another one!