Urgent Help For Juvenile Discus Help

Discussion in 'Discus Fish' started by Dabaichi, May 31, 2019.

  1. Dabaichi

    DabaichiNew MemberMember

    Hi, I just bought afew juvenile discus 3 months ago and they are growing well until recently some of the fish started to turn darker with clamp fins and tails starting to rot... I do a WC routine every week.

    I did WC immediately and started treatment of Melafix 3-4 days ago but now I also notice 2 of the fish body have some serious scars on them so I am wondering if the meds are too strong for them... If anyone can help me out I will be very grateful, I have upload all the picture here.. Thanks for the help!

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  2. Momgoose56

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    Dabaichi

    DabaichiNew MemberMember

    What is the water volume of the tank? 160Litre
    How long has the tank been running? Nearly 3 years
    Does it have a filter? Yes
    Does it have a heater? Yes
    What is the water temperature? 30 Degree Celsius
    What is the entire stocking of this tank? (Please list all fish and inverts.) 7 Juvenile discus

    Maintenance
    How often do you change the water? Once per week
    How much of the water do you change? 80 - 90%
    What do you use to treat your water? Seachem Safe
    Do you vacuum the substrate or just the water? Bare Tank

    *Parameters - Very Important
    Did you cycle your tank before adding fish? No
    What do you use to test the water? No testing kit
    What are your parameters? We need to know the exact numbers, not just “fine” or “safe”.

    Ammonia:
    Nitrite:
    Nitrate:
    pH:

    Feeding
    How often do you feed your fish? Everyday twice
    How much do you feed your fish? 2 teaspoon
    What brand of food do you feed your fish? TetraBits, Hikari Dried and Frozen Bloodworm
    Do you feed frozen or freeze-dried foods? Yes

    Illness & Symptoms
    How long have you had this fish? 3 months
    How long ago did you first notice these symptoms? 4 days ago
    In a few words, can you explain the symptoms? Fish turn dark, fin rot
    Have you started any treatment for the illness? Melafix
    Was your fish physically ill or injured upon purchase? No
    How has its behavior and appearance changed, if at all? Dark, loss of appetite

    Explain your emergency situation in detail.
    Hi, I just bought afew juvenile discus 3 months ago and they are growing well until recently some of the fish started to turn darker with clamp fins and tails starting to rot... I do a WC routine every week.

    I did WC immediately and started treatment of Melafix 3-4 days ago but now I also notice 2 of the fish body have some serious scars on them so I am wondering if the meds are too strong for them... If anyone can help me out I will be very grateful, I have upload all the picture here.. Thanks for the help!

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  4. Momgoose56

    Momgoose56Well Known MemberMember

    Your water probably has high ammonia, nitrites, nitrates if you didn't cycle your tank. What was in the tank before you put the Discus in there?
    You really need a test kit so you know what your water is doing. ESPECIALLY with sensitive fish like Discus. You got one of the most difficult aquarium fish there is to keep healthy. They will not survive in hard alkaline water which may be another problem you have. Get a good liquid test kit that measures pH, Ammonia, Nitrites and Nitrates and a kit that measures water general hardness (GH) and Carbonate hardness (KH). The API Freshwater Master test kit and the API GH/KH test kits are really good kits. Where (what country/ region) are you from? Where did you buy those Discus?
     
  5. wem21

    wem21Well Known MemberMember

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    Dabaichi

    DabaichiNew MemberMember

    I am from Singapore. But the fish was fine for afew months before this happen. Bought it from an aquarium shop and the fish will all healthy. Can I ask what are all these scary looking scars on the fish body? Are they parasites? Thanks!
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    What about those long scars? Do you know what is that? Thanks!
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  7. Momgoose56

    Momgoose56Well Known MemberMember

    They don't die instantly. They get sick, fins get bad infection gets into their blood, then they die. It can take weeks. All things are "fine" until they're not fine anymore!
    Get test kits, do water changes. We can help you but only if you can get the information we (aand you) need to do that. Read the link @wem21 gave you above aboot the nitrogen cycle. You need to know that stuff.
     
  8. wem21

    wem21Well Known MemberMember

    I'm no discus expert, but it looks like its either injured itself in a fight with another fish or injured itself by scraping against something sharp

    Just do the 70% back to back water changes and do 50% every day until the aquarium cycles and you should be fine

    @Momgoose56 what do you think?
     
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    Dabaichi

    DabaichiNew MemberMember

    I see, so do you suggest I should stop the medication immediately? Thanks
     
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    Dabaichi

    DabaichiNew MemberMember

    Its a bare tank so it got nothing to scrape against, would do the WC and buy a test kit later.. Problem is the shop is really far away so I wanted to know whether I should buy any meds before going.
     
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    Dabaichi

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    Hi can I check is this scars from a fight or its a parasites? Thank you and yes I am using regular tap water cos we don't have anything other than that in Singapore which is why I need to add Seachem Safe.

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  12. Momgoose56

    Momgoose56Well Known MemberMember

    Maybe some kanamycin (kanaplex), API General Cure, API Fungus cure and some aquarium salt. We realt don't know what's going on with your fish yet. Those will take care of parasites, fungi and bacteria but until we can figure out what the problem is we won't start anything. See if you can return any of those medications if you don't use them.
     
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    Dabaichi

    DabaichiNew MemberMember

    Alright, will update you people once I got the test kit. Thanks alot!
     
  14. Momgoose56

    Momgoose56Well Known MemberMember

    They could be injuries, but my guess is that it's a fungus. It would be very difficult for a fish to become injured along the base of the dorsal fin in a fight.

    YW! Travel safe!
     
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  15. 86 ssinit

    86 ssinitWell Known MemberMember

    They are not scars it is the discus slime coat coming off the fish. As stated by everybody you need to change the water. At least 50%. What size tank? What’s happened is you probably have an ammonia build up or worse nitrites. The water needs to be changed daily or no more than every other day.
     
  16. nikm128

    nikm128Fishlore VIPMember

    160L/42G
    Start doing the biggest water changes you can, as often as you can
     
  17. coralbandit

    coralbanditFishlore VIPMember

    @Dabaichi Look into chilodinella ...
    And up your water change plan ..
     
  18. Momgoose56

    Momgoose56Well Known MemberMember

    @Dabaichi, did you test your water?
     
  19. tiffani

    tiffaniValued MemberMember

    Hello dabaichi
    I would advise 25-50% changing your water b4 treating them with general cure & erythromycin & ick x, not at same time, one after the other. Follow directions on box. Water changes are not medication and even though the water conditions may be the cause of disease, they don’t treat existing conditions. A dr would find underlying problem, them medicate to cure it, not let you leave sick.
    Otherwise, they may not survive on water changes alone cause your not clearing the infection. They can handle treatment, I treated mines, they were fine. After treatment, change water and add carbon, purigen or chemipure- something to remove medicine from the water. My baby discus do not like 90-100% water changes, they turn black if I do major water change, I do 30-50% water changes they seem to tolerate real well.

    Or you can take to a veterinarian specialist in aquatics. They can determine exactly what the discus have and medicate for that.
     
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