Upper Temperature Limits...

Mick Frost
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I have parasites in my misfit tank. I already QTd the Pygmy Corys, but that's my last tank. Just took in some rescues, I ran out of cycled filters, ran out of glass tanks and had to use the acrylic ones too. So I hooked up my UV this morning, QTd the Pygmys, and started upping the heat.
Aiming for 7 days at 86, but I've never been unable to dose salt... Here's the guest list:
4 Ghost shrimp
17 Red Cherry Shrimp
3 Blind Otocinclus
3 Crossocheilus LangeI (babies)
4 Leopard Danios
5 Dwarf Neon Rainbowfish
1 Dwarf Gourami
1 Molly
1 Guppy
6 Cardinal Tetra
1 Leopard Pleco
1 Apple Snail
A handful of MTS
Gonna tear down a 6 tomorrow in case I need to treat someone a different way.
Will update on how they all do.
 
maggie thecat
  • #2
The ottos are the ones to keep an eye on. The rest should be able to withstand the increased temperature for the duration, as long as there is suitable aeration .
 
finnipper59
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I have parasites in my misfit tank. I already QTd the Pygmy Corys, but that's my last tank. Just took in some rescues, I ran out of cycled filters, ran out of glass tanks and had to use the acrylic ones too. So I hooked up my UV this morning, QTd the Pygmys, and started upping the heat.
Aiming for 7 days at 86, but I've never been unable to dose salt... Here's the guest list:
4 Ghost shrimp
17 Red Cherry Shrimp
3 Blind Otocinclus
3 Crossocheilus LangeI (babies)
4 Leopard Danios
5 Dwarf Neon Rainbowfish
1 Dwarf Gourami
1 Molly
1 Guppy
6 Cardinal Tetra
1 Leopard Pleco
1 Apple Snail
A handful of MTS
Gonna tear down a 6 tomorrow in case I need to treat someone a different way.
Will update on how they all do.
Hey Mick, I know that their are a lot of aquarium keepers that want to go the natural route when dealing wirh pathogens in the tank. But their are a few paracites that can withstand the heat treatment and your putting your tank occupants at risk of higher metabolism rate with less oxygen at the same time. It's only a suggestion, but there are two extremely safe parasite treatments that won't harm your biological system. One is API GENERAL CURE and the other is PraziPro. They both have the same ingredient except General Cure adds salt, so I recommend PraziPro since you have snails and pygmy cories that don't tolerate salt.
 
Mick Frost
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  • #4
The ottos are the ones to keep an eye on. The rest should be able to withstand the increased temperature for the duration, as long as there is suitable aeration .
Yup, keeping an eye on everyone though.
Hey Mick, I know that their are a lot of aquarium keepers that want to go the natural route when dealing wirh pathogens in the tank. But their are a few paracites that can withstand the heat treatment and your putting your tank occupants at risk of higher metabolism rate with less oxygen at the same time. It's only a suggestion, but there are two extremely safe parasite treatments that won't harm your biological system. One is API GENERAL CURE and the other is PraziPro. They both have the same ingredient except General Cure adds salt, so I recommend PraziPro since you have snails and pygmy cories that don't tolerate salt.
On the other hand, UV-C is one of the strongest treatments we have. I might also use Electrolysis Sterilization if things don't look normal by day 4.
 
maggie thecat
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Maybe it's the glut of ick problems, coupled with your proposed treatment plan, but are you in fact, dealing with ick? Or is this something else like flukes or worms?

If it's the first, carry on. Maybe having a read of this ICH (ICK) Life Cycle and Natural Treatment along the way.

If it is some other critter, a better bet would be to look at the mentioned medications.
 
Mick Frost
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  • #6
It's one of the Icks. I've never known Freshwater Ick to last dormant for several weeks though, even on a carrier. The last fish to be introduced was late March.
So far, no signs of distress, even the Otos seem oblivious. Still at 84 though, next degree up in an hour.
Edit: My bad, the C LangeI were 2 weeks ago, but with a 2 week QT before that.
 
maggie thecat
  • #7
I have a molly that gets ick every time she is about to drop fry, and that is in a brackish tank.

I treat with ick stop, and it goes away... until it comes back. She's the only fish affected. Which just makes it weird.

I suspect ick is mutating, just like everthing else.
 
Mick Frost
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  • #8
I have a molly that gets ick every time she is about to drop fry, and that is in a brackish tank.

I treat with ick stop, and it goes away... until it comes back. She's the only fish affected. Which just makes it weird.

I suspect ick is mutating, just like everthing else.
If I lose one I'll have a look. Just hoping I don't have the opportunity to put anything under the microscope.
 
Mick Frost
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  • #9
At 86 for 6 hours now, UV still going, everyone is active and lively. The Pleco and Otos aren't lively, but that's normal for them. Still only at half power on the Q2 and no signs of hypoxia.
 
finnipper59
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Good to hear those results so far. Doesn't sound like there are low oxygen levels so good going.
At 86 for 6 hours now, UV still going, everyone is active and lively. The Pleco and Otos aren't lively, but that's normal for them. Still only at half power on the Q2 and no signs of hypoxia.
 
Mick Frost
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  • #11
Still all good, cysts haven't dropped off yet though. Busy tearing down a 55g. Realized today I'm out of sponge filters!
On a side note, talked to my girl tonight (she calls me on Mother's Day, I feel loved) and her LFS sold her a CAE for her 10 gallon Guppy tank. I'm going up there next weekend with an Oto so she can take the CAE back. Almost tempted to go in with her when she does...
 
finnipper59
  • #12
You probably should go with her. Some fish stores pull this once it's been in someone else's tank...disease transfer...blah blah blah...store policy....when it was probably from advice from some fish bagger who knows no better.
Still all good, cysts haven't dropped off yet though. Busy tearing down a 55g. Realized today I'm out of sponge filters!
On a side note, talked to my girl tonight (she calls me on Mother's Day, I feel loved) and her LFS sold her a CAE for her 10 gallon Guppy tank. I'm going up there next weekend with an Oto so she can take the CAE back. Almost tempted to go in with her when she does...
 
Mick Frost
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  • #13
Looks like cysts are starting to fall off
You probably should go with her. Some fish stores pull this once it's been in someone else's tank...disease transfer...blah blah blah...store policy....when it was probably from advice from some fish bagger who knows no better.
Well they talked her out of a Pleco (not sure if they had DCP/BN) and a Siamese (I know their distributor, they're real), I'm pretty sure they just didn't know what they were selling. I don't care about the $6 they scammed her for, I'm just PO'd that they sell CAE to people without knowing/caring what's going to happen down the road.
 
finnipper59
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Looks like cysts are starting to fall off

Well they talked her out of a Pleco (not sure if they had DCP/BN) and a Siamese (I know their distributor, they're real), I'm pretty sure they just didn't know what they were selling. I don't care about the $6 they scammed her for, I'm just PO'd that they sell CAE to people without knowing/caring what's going to happen down the road.
I have a young 22 yo friend that needed a job and just happened to be in the right aquarium shop at the right time. They hired him. To this day he has no idea about the nitrogen cycle, what fish to put together, nor knows anything about fish disease except for what his manager tells him to push because they're overstocked with it...a fish bagger. That's what most aquarium shop workers are.
 
Mick Frost
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  • #15
Starting to see SBD signs in (edit: two) of the Danios, off to see if I can buy another hospital tank and some Victoria Green. Everyone else is doing ok.
 
finnipper59
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Good to know other's are doing fine. Sorry to hear about danios.
Starting to see SBD signs in (edit: two) of the Danios, off to see if I can buy another hospital tank and some Victoria Green. Everyone else is doing ok.
 
Mick Frost
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  • #17
So, Danios are down to 78, I threw the Cardinals in with them as they were the only ones with cysts. Cysts are almost gone from the Cardinals (been 4 hours, they were probably ready anyways). Treating with Nox-Ich.
So far I've lost a Cherry, and one Cardinal is pretty weak (he had the most cysts).
Got the 55 clean, gonna do fishless this time. Have some Emerald Rasboras, Red Pencilfish, and Clown Killies coming in on my June order, and I have another pair of Cacuatoides who need a forever home. If anyone has tried... Can I dose to 2ppm for 3 days and then dose to 5ppm on Friday morning and leave til Monday night? Or will I need to toss some food in as well?
 
TexasGuppy
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Unless you seeded the tank, it probably won't be consuming ammonia for a little while. Dose to 4 and let it sit.
 
Mick Frost
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  • #19
Unless you seeded the tank, it probably won't be consuming ammonia for a little while. Dose to 4 and let it sit.
Figured Id see if I can do it the old fashioned way (without getting impatient) unless its not ready by the week my order ships. Thanks.
 
Mick Frost
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  • #20
So I lost 2 Cardinals and a RCS.
 
finnipper59
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Hey Mick. Sorry about your fish losses. But listen, get yourself a bottle of Ammolock or AmQuel and add a dose recommend for tour tank size. Your ammonia tests will still accurately read the amount of ammonia you have in your tank. It doesn't get rid of ammonia, only the Nitrosomas will once they grow. But it will change the ammonia to ammonium that is not toxic to fish and won't stop the Nitrosomas from breaking it down into nitrites. There is no way you can use it as a way to skip cycling, but it may keep your critters alive until the tank is cycled. It also won't react with any medications except methylene blue.
So I lost 2 Cardinals and a RCS.
 
Mick Frost
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  • #22
Hey Mick. Sorry about your fish losses. But listen, get yourself a bottle of Ammolock or AmQuel and add a dose recommend for tour tank size. Your ammonia tests will still accurately read the amount of ammonia you have in your tank. It doesn't get rid of ammonia, only the Nitrosomas will once they grow. But it will change the ammonia to ammonium that is not toxic to fish and won't stop the Nitrosomas from breaking it down into nitrites. There is no way you can use it as a way to skip cycling, but it may keep your critters alive until the tank is cycled. It also won't react with any medications except methylene blue.
Different tank, my empty 55 and 7 hospital tanks (also empty now) are the only ones less than 2 months old.
Thanks for the warning on AmmoLock/Blue interaction though.
 
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