Upgrading tank and switching filters... Advice?

AquaticQueen
  • #1
I am upgrading my tank soon. I currently have a power filter but I want to switch over to a sponge filter. I'm pretty sure the my current tank is cycled (I know ops but I am not 100% sure it is so I want to start fresh and MAKE SURE it gets cycled no matter what. Any tips or advice? Anything I am doing wrong?
Thanks!
 

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kanzekatores
  • #2
Are you doing fishless or with fish? Dr. Tim’s works very well for fishless. Make sure you have enough fish in there for it to cycle and just watch often I’m sure you’re doing great.
 

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AquaticQueen
  • Thread Starter
  • #3
Are you doing fishless or with fish? Dr. Tim’s works very well for fishless. Make sure you have enough fish in there for it to cycle and just watch often I’m sure you’re doing great.
Fishless. Would Seachem Prime do the same thing?
 
Fisheye
  • #4
kanzekatores
  • #5
AquaticQueen
  • Thread Starter
  • #6
Dr. Tim's is the ammonia source. You still have to treat water with Prime to protect bb from chloramine and chlorine. You can run your power filter concurrently with a sponge on the new tank. Will you be moving anything else over?

Unless I misunderstood what you meant
Unfortunately, I can't run both filters in the new tank at once. There is fish in my current tank and they can't go without their filter. Do I just put the sponge filter in the tank and cycle? Could I cycle with fish flakes? I am assuming bacteria starter doesn't do the same thing as Dr Tim's? I am trying to avoid going out and ordering things, not to mention cut costs as low as I can.
 

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Fisheye
  • #7
You can clean your old filter in the new dechlorinated (Prime) tank water while the sponge filter is running. That will seed your filter.

The bottled bacteria starter is intended to assist in seeding or colonizing your filter with the species of bacteria that are needed in an aquarium filter. Without these bacteria in your filter, your fish will suffer ammonia burns, immune issues. If you have it, why not use it? Can't hurt.

Dr. Tims is an ammonium chloride source added to a "virgin" filter (new tank setup) to get the cycle started. Some people use plain ammonia from the hardware store. Some people use fish food. Some people use dead shrimp. Using bottled ammonia is a process unto itself when fishless cyling. Dr. Tim's says you have to use "One and Only Nitrifying Bacteria"

Ammonium Chloride Solution for Fishless Cycling | Dr Tims Aquatics
I hear you about ordering things...

Do you have the API test kit?
 
YellowGuppy
  • #8
Can you run the new filter in the old tank for a could weeks? That ought to at least get it started.
 
AquaticQueen
  • Thread Starter
  • #9
You can clean your old filter in the new dechlorinated (Prime) tank water while the sponge filter is running. That will seed your filter.

The bottled bacteria starter is intended to assist in seeding or colonizing your filter with the species of bacteria that are needed in an aquarium filter. Without these bacteria in your filter, your fish will suffer ammonia burns, immune issues. If you have it, why not use it? Can't hurt.

Dr. Tims is an ammonium chloride source added to a "virgin" filter (new tank setup) to get the cycle started. Some people use plain ammonia from the hardware store. Some people use fish food. Some people use dead shrimp. Using bottled ammonia is a process unto itself when fishless cyling. Dr. Tim's says you have to use "One and Only Nitrifying Bacteria"

Ammonium Chloride Solution for Fishless Cycling | Dr Tims Aquatics
I hear you about ordering things...

Do you have the API test kit?
So I could use the bacteria starter for the cycle?
Yes, I have the API master test kit.
 
Fisheye
  • #10
Yes you can. What brand is it? I only ever used Nutrifin cycle a hundred years ago.
 

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AquaticQueen
  • Thread Starter
  • #11
Can you run the new filter in the old tank for a could weeks? That ought to at least get it started.
I couldn't with the fish I have in the current tank. Am I even able to start fresh?
 
AquaticQueen
  • Thread Starter
  • #12
Yes you can. What brand is it? I only ever used Nutrifin cycle a hundred years ago.
Top Fin (I know) how much should I dose with?
 
StarGirl
  • #14
I couldn't with the fish I have in the current tank. Am I even able to start fresh?
I think what he means can you put the brand new sponge filter in you current tank for 3-4 weeks to seed it before starting the new tank.
 

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AquaticQueen
  • Thread Starter
  • #15
I think what he means can you put the brand new sponge filter in you current tank for 3-4 weeks to seed it before starting the new tank.
Sorry I am being a little annoying but I don't understand
 
Fisheye
  • #16
Top Fin (I know) how much should I dose with?

What does (I know) mean? As in , the brand is inferior?

Would I be able to do the Tetras 78001 Whisper IQ 20 power filter instead of the sponge filter?

Is this your filter on your existing tank? I don't understand.

So, tell us this...please. What size is the new tank. What sponge filter are you putting on it. How many fish are moving from the old tank to the new one. Is there any decor or substrate from the old tank going to the new tank?

Are these the Top Fin directions? If yes, then follow them exactly.

Instructions:
Use when setting up new aquariums, adding fish, during routine water changes and after medicating. For best results, wait at least 15 minutes after adding any chlorine removing product before adding Bacteria Supplement. Shake well before use.

For new aquariums and after medicating, use 10 mL for each 10 U.S. Gallons (38 L).
For routine water changes and when adding new fish use 5 mL for each 10 U.S. Gallons (38 L).

Ingredients:
Water, Sodium Chloride, Propylene Glycol, Nitrifying Bacteria

Chemical Composition:
Water (H2O) 88.4%
NaCl: 5.0%
Propylene Glycol (CH3CH(OH)CH2OH) 3.3%
Bacteria (CrystalClear Nitrifier) 3.3%

 
StarGirl
  • #17
Sorry I am being a little annoying but I don't understand
Oh yeah you can totally start fresh if you want. You can get a brand new sponge filter if that is what you want. It can go in the tank you have going right now for a few weeks and get seeded. Then when you get the new tank you can put the sponge filter in there to get almost a instant cycle. If you dont want to do that and do ammonia it will be longer than the seeded sponge.
 
AquaticQueen
  • Thread Starter
  • #18
What does (I know) mean? As in , the brand is inferior?



Is this your filter on your existing tank? I don't understand.

So, tell us this...please. What size is the new tank. What sponge filter are you putting on it. How many fish are moving from the old tank to the new one. Is there any decor or substrate from the old tank going to the new tank?

Are these the Top Fin directions? If yes, then follow them exactly.

Instructions:
Use when setting up new aquariums, adding fish, during routine water changes and after medicating. For best results, wait at least 15 minutes after adding any chlorine removing product before adding Bacteria Supplement. Shake well before use.

For new aquariums and after medicating, use 10 mL for each 10 U.S. Gallons (38 L).
For routine water changes and when adding new fish use 5 mL for each 10 U.S. Gallons (38 L).

Ingredients:
Water, Sodium Chloride, Propylene Glycol, Nitrifying Bacteria

Chemical Composition:
Water (H2O) 88.4%
NaCl: 5.0%
Propylene Glycol (CH3CH(OH)CH2OH) 3.3%
Bacteria (CrystalClear Nitrifier) 3.3%
1. I have heard Top fin is a pretty bad brand.
2. I don't own the Tetra one yet. I have a Top Fin 10 power filter on it.
3. The current tank is 10 gallons. The new one will be 20 gallons.
4. The instructions on the bottle are false. They give the right dosage amount, 5ml per 5 gallons, but then they say you add it, wait a few hours, than you can add fish (which I know is not true).

Sorry I am being confusing.
 

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AquaticQueen
  • Thread Starter
  • #19
Oh yeah you can totally start fresh if you want. You can get a brand new sponge filter if that is what you want. It can go in the tank you have going right now for a few weeks and get seeded. Then when you get the new tank you can put the sponge filter in there to get almost a instant cycle. If you dont want to do that and do ammonia it will be longer than the seeded sponge.
Thanks! Might do that.
 
AquaticQueen
  • Thread Starter
  • #20
Thanks everyone! I think I will start fresh and cycle with a new filter. I feel relieved now.
 
Fisheye
  • #21
BINGO!!!

But but but ...how many fish are moving
 

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AquaticQueen
  • Thread Starter
  • #23
BINGO!!!

But but but ...how many fish are moving
5 fish, 1 molly and 4 corys (will increase cory school size to six once they are in the 20 gallon). I am thinking of rehoming the molly because even though twenty gallons is a big upgrade from ten, it still isn't ideal.
 
AquaticQueen
  • Thread Starter
  • #24
I would do 3-4 weeks seeding it. A fishless cycle could take way longer.
I will probably seed it. Thanks for all the helpful advice
 
Fisheye
  • #25
Last thought, I swear. Don't move all your fish at once. Move a couple, don't feed, test the next day, if parameters are good, repeat until you've moved everyone.

Good luck!
 
AquaticQueen
  • Thread Starter
  • #26
Last thought, I swear. Don't move all your fish at once. Move a couple, don't feed, test the next day, if parameters are good, repeat until you've moved everyone.

Good luck!
Sure thing! Thanks!
 

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