Unpopular Fish Opinions

Here's one - NO to plastic plants, horrible gravel or "Glo tanks". Go natural or go home.

 

Here's one - NO to plastic plants, horrible gravel or "Glo tanks". Go natural or go home.

Lol that's not unpopular, is it?

 

Not really. I find my plecos poop as much as any other fish....? (Given if they were the same size)

Then again the only other fish with him were 3 male guppies so you could be right. Mine was just very messy

 

Oooh! I got one - The majority of people shouldn't own an aquarium, especially if they're looking for an easy and low-maintenance pet.

 

Here's one - NO to plastic plants, horrible gravel or "Glo tanks". Go natural or go home.

Lol I have plastic plants. I cannot keep real plants from melting. They simply don't grow and they die and they pollute my tank. But I have unnatural fancy goldfish and bettas and a blood parrot so I suppose I don't value natural much anyway lol

 

Lol I have plastic plants. I cannot keep real plants from melting. They simply don't grow and they die and they pollute my tank. But I have unnatural fancy goldfish and bettas and a blood parrot so I suppose I don't value natural much anyway lol

In my experience everyone can find plants that will work for them. You know how some people have very hard water others have very soft. Certain plants will work in one persons tank and not in an others. It's a trial and error type thing. It took a while to find plants that work in my water, but as soon as I did all the plastic plants were removed and I never went back. I think you gave up too quickly. You should give it another try.

 

Lol I have plastic plants. I cannot keep real plants from melting. They simply don't grow and they die and they pollute my tank. But I have unnatural fancy goldfish and bettas and a blood parrot so I suppose I don't value natural much anyway lol

Both my plants melted too. But then again, I had needle plants, I think I got soft floating hornwort and sunken hornwort lol. They died pretty quick though

 

In my experience everyone can find plants that will work for them. You know how some people have very hard water others have very soft. Certain plants will work in one persons tank and not in an others. It's a trial and error type thing. It took a while to find plants that work in my water, but as soon as I did all the plastic plants were removed and I never went back. I think you gave up too quickly. You should give it another try.

I gave up after maybe half a year and I tried everything from Java fern, to anacharis, to banana plant... You name it. I tried all the bottled stuff to assist... And it did not work. I spent (WASTED) quite a lot of money on all that stuff and I refuse to waste anymore. I didn't give up quickly. After a batch of plants quickly rotted in my tank and sent my nitrates to 160 in 2 days, yeah I gave up... But it was a long time coming. And unless someone ELSE pays for plants, I will never try them again.

 

... that letting your son have a Spongebob pineapple house in his puffer tank might not be the end of the world afterall >_>

 

I gave up after maybe half a year and I tried everything from Java fern, to anacharis, to banana plant... You name it. I tried all the bottled stuff to assist... And it did not work. I spent (WASTED) quite a lot of money on all that stuff and I refuse to waste anymore. I didn't give up quickly. After a batch of plants quickly rotted in my tank and sent my nitrates to 160 in 2 days, yeah I gave up... But it was a long time coming. And unless someone ELSE pays for plants, I will never try them again.

My apologies for assuming you gave up to quickly. I still believe you could do live plants. Without more information it's tough to know why none of them worked. There's just so many factors in play. I went 35 years say I'm never doing live plants. Lol I'm all live plants now.

 

My apologies for assuming you gave up to quickly. I still believe you could do live plants. Without more information it's tough to know why none of them worked. There's just so many factors in play. I went 35 years say I'm never doing live plants. Lol I'm all live plants now.

Well my water registers a pH of about 9 from the tap. On top of this, it has neither KH nor GH. I buffer KH with sodium bicarbonate to keep the pH from swinging and killing my fish. I don't bother trying to improve GH.

Seachem Equilibrium will raise the GH and so will Calcium Carbonate, but they are too expensive to use regularly and the latter is hard to measure for tanks. Expensive lighting and stuff is too much to risk for me to fail. Same with C02. If used wrong, your fish will die. The fish are WAY more important than the plants.

I had MILD success with Water Wisteria, but my goldfish ate it all. No other plants did even remotely well and even Amazon Swords and Java moss died. I literally could not keep anything alive.

 

I gave up after maybe half a year and I tried everything from Java fern, to anacharis, to banana plant... You name it. I tried all the bottled stuff to assist... And it did not work. I spent (WASTED) quite a lot of money on all that stuff and I refuse to waste anymore. I didn't give up quickly. After a batch of plants quickly rotted in my tank and sent my nitrates to 160 in 2 days, yeah I gave up... But it was a long time coming. And unless someone ELSE pays for plants, I will never try them again.

Could be they were transitioning to submersed growth. A lot of plants I find are sold emersed. I threw away an expensive lot of anubias plants because I thought they were dying, before I knew any better.

 

Well my water registers a pH of about 9 from the tap. On top of this, it has neither KH nor GH. I buffer KH with sodium bicarbonate to keep the pH from swinging and killing my fish. I don't bother trying to improve GH.

Seachem Equilibrium will raise the GH and so will Calcium Carbonate, but they are too expensive to use regularly and the latter is hard to measure for tanks. Expensive lighting and stuff is too much to risk for me to fail. Same with C02. If used wrong, your fish will die. The fish are WAY more important than the plants.

I had MILD success with Water Wisteria, but my goldfish ate it all. No other plants did even remotely well and even Amazon Swords and Java moss died. I literally could not keep anything alive.

Wow! That's quite high ph for such low KH and GH. I understand that part. As far as lighting, there's no need to spend a fortune to grow plants. When leds first came out I refused to get them as well, because of the price. Until quite recently I was usuing florescent and CFL bulbs.LEDs have come down in price quite a bit since they first came out . If you ever want to try plants again look into aquaneat. There great lights and the price is fantastic. The 6 foot bar on my 125 was only 80 bucks, the 10 gallon light is only 15 bucks. Can't do much better then that.

 

I have no idea what my city does to the water. It also registers .5 ppm of ammonia from the tap oftentimes. I have learned that this means the city uses chloramines. It's just funky crappy water and I suck with plants lol. I accepted it long ago and stopped chucking good money down the drain. I want to try again with plants next spring in an outdoor system. I cannot say that I will ever try again indoors. It was just so disappointing.

 

I have no idea what my city does to the water. It also registers .5 ppm of ammonia from the tap oftentimes. I have learned that this means the city uses chloramines. It's just funky crappy water and I suck with plants lol. I accepted it long ago and stopped chucking good money down the drain. I want to try again with plants next spring in an outdoor system. I cannot say that I will ever try again indoors. It was just so disappointing.

After all the disappointment (I've had my share) comes great reward. Good luck to ya. I hope you can be successful.

 

Not really. I find my plecos poop as much as any other fish....? (Given if they were the same size)

Let me get you a picture of the gravel in a tank with only 2 plecos... give me a bit.

 

I sympathize with your plant plight. I can't get stem plants to do much other than melt into oblivion. My amazon sword is about two inches tall and has been for months (using root tabs). My anubias and java fern do .. okay. My java moss struggles. During the summer (it's still summer for the most part in Texas stil LOL), my water runs around 78-79 degrees, and probably 86 out of the tap. I think I have the lovely combo of high pH (8.2-8.4), high kh and 0 gh and for my 10 gallon, an ancient hood (made to hold incandescent bulbs, but I use 2 10w CFLs). In my 5.5, the stem plants are still living, but don't flourish at all. I have a couple of sprigs left in my 10 gallon, but everything just rots away. My microswords died, my dwarf sag died (both had root tabs). Melted plants include, water sprite, water wisteria, brazilian pennywort.

 

Lol... Thanks. It's nice to know I'm not alone. I felt like a true plant murderer. After trying everything people told me that didn't cost a zillion dollars and seeing other people's planted tanks looking nice and people always picking at those who don't have real plants (same as here), I was super upset about being unable to keep any plants alive. I have the same type of water you do. High pH and basically no KH or GH. I think that kind of water is a plant killer because I failed so super hard.

EDIT: You have high KH but no GH. I have neither of those. So slightly different type of water but the poor GH might be the root of the issue.

 

I sympathize with your plant plight. I can't get stem plants to do much other than melt into oblivion. My amazon sword is about two inches tall and has been for months (using root tabs). My anubias and java fern do .. okay. My java moss struggles. During the summer (it's still summer for the most part in Texas stil LOL), my water runs around 78-79 degrees, and probably 86 out of the tap. I think I have the lovely combo of high pH (8.2-8.4), high kh and 0 gh and for my 10 gallon, an ancient hood (made to hold incandescent bulbs, but I use 2 10w CFLs). In my 5.5, the stem plants are still living, but don't flourish at all. I have a couple of sprigs left in my 10 gallon, but everything just rots away. My microswords died, my dwarf sag died (both had root tabs). Melted plants include, water sprite, water wisteria, brazilian pennywort.

Lol... Thanks. It's nice to know I'm not alone. I felt like a true plant murderer. After trying everything people told me that didn't cost a zillion dollars and seeing other people's planted tanks looking nice and people always picking at those who don't have real plants (same as here), I was super upset about being unable to keep any plants alive. I have the same type of water you do. High pH and basically no KH or GH. I think that kind of water is a plant killer because I failed so super hard.

EDIT: You have high KH but no GH. I have neither of those. So slightly different type of water but the poor GH might be the root of the issue.

Y'all are not alone. I mean anyone should be able to grow water lettuce, red root floaters and hornwort. Well, I can kill them. I know floating plants need still water. I corralled them out of the water flow....no luck.

I am having a tiny bit of luck with Bacopa (I think that is how it is spelled) Not thriving mind you but hasn't died yet. Jungle Val....Grows about 3 inches tall and that is with root tabs. It makes runners but the babies stay tiny.

I would love to have a beautifully planted tank but I have just about decided to stick with the jungle I have created with house plants and just quit trying with water plants. I normally have a green thumb but I have a black one when it comes to growing aquarium plants

 

I remember that plant. I bought some pretty red bacopa once. Killed it all instantly. Lol you're bringing back bad memories. I tried vals too. All died. I can't even grow duckweed!

 

I remember that plant. I bought some pretty red bacopa once. Killed it all instantly. Lol you're bringing back bad memories. I tried vals too. All died. I can't even grow duckweed!

I know it isn't funny but I would rather laugh than cry

Mine is supposed to be red but it is mostly green. Not enough light I guess.

 

I remember that plant. I bought some pretty red bacopa once. Killed it all instantly. Lol you're bringing back bad memories. I tried vals too. All died. I can't even grow duckweed!

OMG I just recently got some bacopa and it's dyeing. and I inject co2.

 

A few more unpopular opinions.

Diagnosis before Medication
Seachem is a cult.
A glass box with some plants that need hours of artificial light, CO2 injections, and regular chemical dumps is about as "natural" as purple gravel.

 

A few more unpopular opinions.

Diagnosis before Medication
Seachem is a cult.
A glass box with some plants that need hours of artificial light, CO2 injections, and regular chemical dumps is about as "natural" as purple gravel.

"A glass box with some plants that need hours of artificial light, CO2 injections, and regular chemical dumps is about as "natural" as purple gravel."
Now that's quite an unpopular opinion!

 

A few more unpopular opinions.

Diagnosis before Medication
Seachem is a cult.
A glass box with some plants that need hours of artificial light, CO2 injections, and regular chemical dumps is about as "natural" as purple gravel.

I'm gonna disagree with that last one, couldn't let it slide .

Aquarium lights are natural, unless you have cave fish. They produce the same light as the sun & a properly lit aquarium should be similar (slightly brighter) to direct sunlight hitting a body of water. Not sure what you mean by chemical dumps? Co2 is produced by plants (high density) at night. Water conditioner or RO + Remineralisation are the most natural methods of water preparation we have. All chemicals in ferts are naturally occurring.

 

A few more unpopular opinions.

Diagnosis before Medication
Seachem is a cult.
A glass box with some plants that need hours of artificial light, CO2 injections, and regular chemical dumps is about as "natural" as purple gravel.

Agree with diagnosis before medication. Far too many people recommend meds without even knowing what's wrong with a fish. It kind of ticks me off.

 

A few more unpopular opinions.

Diagnosis before Medication
Seachem is a cult.
A glass box with some plants that need hours of artificial light, CO2 injections, and regular chemical dumps is about as "natural" as purple gravel.

I agree with the first one - to a point. In saltwater diseases act so freaking quick, you can see that a fish is sick and a few hours later it'll be dead, aftr being symptomless before. So, if I have a fish that looks like somethings wrong, I quick QT and dose a base med, which will halt disease, and give them relief, until I can diagnose and target accordingly. In freshwater, diagnose.

Last one I disagree with. WHere in the wild can you find plastic plants, bright neon gravel, blue lights to accent the neon gravel, and plastic decorations? Now, where in the wild can yuo find plants, soft sand or soil, low nutrients just like in the wild, and natural spectrum light? I get where your going with the equipment, but the equipment is to make the enviroment in the glass box as natural as possible for this fish and plants. These "chemical dumps" are because the plants grow quicker then the fish can produce waste. They're naturally occurring chemicals in naural water, however, in the wild, plants have unlimited amounts because there's so much water volume and so many fish. CO2 is normal from lowere water levels, but also so much decaying matter in the wild makes tons of CO2. Have yuo never seen videos of plants pearling in the wild?

 

Not really. I find my plecos poop as much as any other fish....? (Given if they were the same size)

My two clown plecos create more waste in their dual filters than my two adult turtles do in the same amount of time. It's freaking unreal how much brown sludge there is, I have to clean the media every week or the filter plugs up solid! I know they are happy plecos, and I love them, but I hate doing maintenance on their tank.

I gave up after maybe half a year and I tried everything from Java fern, to anacharis, to banana plant...

Did you ever try crypts? Like you, I went over ten years thinking I couldn't keep a single aquarium plant alive because everything rotted, until some guy sent me home with two different crypts. (I was adopting his land hermit crabs and was in awe of his planted tank and probably stared at it way too long than was socially acceptable.) They grew, and I did nothing to help them along. They didn't grow as fast or as pretty as some people's plants, but it's been enough that I have been propagating them and spreading them to more tanks over the last few years.

 

Actually a lady who tore down her tank sent me a whole load of free crypts. You can probably guess what happened to them. It's all good. I could only keep water wisteria alive a bit... And my goldfish ate those. So it's like nevermind.

 

Actually a lady who tore down her tank sent me a whole load of free crypts. You can probably guess what happened to them. It's all good. I could only keep water wisteria alive a bit... And my goldfish ate those. So it's like nevermind.

I've had hit or miss luck with most plants. They seem to love my 10 gallon and hate my 36g, which makes me so mad because the 36g is the one I want to look the best!

 

Dirt substrate + pretty much nothing else is the way to go for a planted tank honestly. People always seem to recommend added fertilizers and CO2 injection, but I really should have just bought a bag of organic potting soil for less than $10 instead of wasting god knows how much on fertilizers, liquid CO2, and DIY CO2 systems.

Yeah sure, maybe the plants won't grow as fast without injection, buuuuuuut that also means I won't be spending as much time trimming excess growth and worrying if the extra CO2 is poisoning the water.

Also java fern and anubias are not nearly as indestructible as everyone makes them out to be, these things melt on me and no one can ever explain why.

 

A recent post about Petco reminded me of a recent local interaction. A lady had baby fish (looked like a small cichlid) that she was giving away on CL. I tend to take in unwanted babies and give them a home. Her house was far away but I was in the area for the weekend. I was OMW home from the Atlanta Koi and Goldfish show with one of my boys who I raised from a little bitty thing who had just WON in his category.

She had given me her address by email and told me when to arrive etc. I arrived on time and I knocked. She looked out the window. I stood there. She didn't open the door. I knocked again. She closed the blinds. She didn't come to the door. I held up the thing I brought to take the fish and said "Hello"? She peeked through the closed blinds. Then I heard footsteps and she never came to the door. I left.

I knew a 13 year old girl on a forum who took great care of her fish and even gave others advice and ran a YouTube channel and she was a great fishkeeper. I knew another young teenage boy who knew a ton about Koi.

With all this said... Perhaps an unpopular opinion...

A fish lover and good fish keeper does not have a "LOOK". They do not have an age. They do not have a race. None of that.

I wasn't mad I wasted my time going there, I was sad she looked at me and refused to acknowledge that I was indeed who responded to her ad. I came at the time we had spoken about. She knew it was me. She just didn't want me to have the fish. She acted scared of me

 

If what you know about ph, kh, and gh, is what's being parroted here, you're very likely wrong about what you are saying.

Stocking levels are very conservative here.

Fish are decor.

Linebreeding in fish isn't anything like it is in mammals.

Arguing about what's natural for a fish that doesn't exist in nature is crazy.

A planted tank is not a scape. A scaped tank is a scape. They are different. I don't care how you arranged the plants.

Algae is good. Remove what you don't want to see. If you never have any algae, you're doing something wrong, or your tank is very young.

Dont parrot things you read on a forum. Research it first. 5 minutes with dr. Google will show you why.

 

Loaches can be kept happily with Cories

Tank stocking based on opinion is WAY out of whack and has no stable recommendation per tank size.

Pea puffers are cute, but need more than 2-3 gallons just like a betta does.

Dividing your 5 gallon tank to put two small fish in is not a good idea
Rather than buying a divider just man up and buy another 5, or a 10 to split.

(Not unpopular)
Bettas do not belong in quart sized tanks

(Also not unpopular)
You cannot put one fish per gallon unless it's small shrimp, even then you can sometimes push it.

(Not unpopular)
Feeder fish tanks should not exist, if you can plant every other tank in the store, you can plant a feeder tank and give them room to swim, I get that they are raised for food, but hey are animals, and they still require decent living conditions or they will fall ill and plague the entire tank the same way overcrowdered livestock do.

Not everyone who has been fish keeping longer than you, knows more than you.

Not everyone new to fish keeping shouldn't get fish just because they have a small tank available to them.
Small temporary homes are okay so long as the person in question knows their fish requires better and is willing to make efforts to improve the living space.
So that kid who has a 2 gallon and wants 3 fish, don't tell him not to buy fish, don't act like he's being a monster for wanting to join the rest of us.
Tell him he can get one fish for the two gallon, but it will die quickly and not live happy if he doesn't improve and buy larger.
Rather than stamping their light out, give them more, better possibilities for their tanks, and understand a lot of fishkeepers are jobless children who have to work around their parents desires.

Thriving is different from being healthy.

Animals have opinions (just watch Nemo if you disagree.)

Not all plecos need to be put in a huge tank off the bat.
Yes they create a lot of waste and have been said to have a big bioload compared to other fish, but this does not mean you HAVE to put a one inch fish in a 50 inch tank.
They can spend a small amount of time slowly growing out in a slightly smaller tank.

I have a super red calico who is growing out in a 20, and will eventually be put in a 55.

Your fish is not happy in a tank so planted it can barely swim (or decorated)
Plants are good, decorations are good, swimming is more important.

New born fry do not NEED to be put in a 20-30 gallon tank because "there's so many"
A 30 gal would need slightly less work than a smaller one full of fry, but they do just the same in a large tank as they do in a gallon tub.
This doesn't mean put all 30 of your fry in a gallon tub, the max I've had was 9, month old molly fry, they were very small, and the plus to this small tank was, the floor was easily cleaned with a baster and there was no need for an airstone as they could very easily reach the top of the water for air.
The bigger they get, the bigger the tub does, and the more you split them up.
If they had gotten bigger, they would have been split up between a 2 gallon tub, and a 1 and a half, til big enough for the 20 gallon grow out.

Fish shouldn't eat hikarI anything, it's trash food.

Just because a food boasts of high protein doesn't mean it's a good food.

Fish shouldn't be farmed from the wild. (Possibly popular? Not sure since a lot of keepers own many wild caught fish)

Most sick fish should be euthanized before allowed to get so sick they die suffering.
(Personally euthanized quite a few fish sick with ich, they were dying on their own, and I couldn't bear to watch them suffer longer(and yes, I knew they were really dying, I didn't do it early, I did it a bit before they truly died.))

Bettas can be kept together if the conditions are specifically correct, (seen personally, bettas who never fight)
otherwise there's no way they would ever have been able to survive in the wild coming into contact with each other all the time.

Corydoras are the best catfish.

 

If what you know about ph, kh, and gh, is what's being parroted here, you're very likely wrong about what you are saying.

Stocking levels are very conservative here.

Fish are decor.

Linebreeding in fish isn't anything like it is in mammals.

Arguing about what's natural for a fish that doesn't exist in nature is crazy.

A planted tank is not a scape. A scaped tank is a scape. They are different. I don't care how you arranged the plants.

Algae is good. Remove what you don't want to see. If you never have any algae, you're doing something wrong, or your tank is very young.

Dont parrot things you read on a forum. Research it first. 5 minutes with dr. Google will show you why.

The effects of line/inbreeding do not affect all types of animals the same way, however they do cause effects if done for a long enough period of time. Just because aphids can reproduce with the same population for 20 generations and not have problems doesn't mean fish are evolved to be the same way. Some species will probably be more resilient yes, but after generations and generations of little to none genetic variations, that population will eventually succumb to having issues.

How can a planted tank not be a scape? You can choose to have no rocks or DW and simply use plants to create bushes, trees, etc.

 

The effects of line/inbreeding do not affect all types of animals the same way, however they do cause effects if done for a long enough period of time. Just because aphids can reproduce with the same population for 20 generations and not have problems doesn't mean fish are evolved to be the same way. Some species will probably be more resilient yes, but after generations and generations of little to none genetic variations, that population will eventually succumb to having issues.

How can a planted tank not be a scape? You can choose to have no rocks or DW and simply use plants to create bushes, trees, etc.

If you have the plants and rocks scaped, its a scape. The difference is intent and design.

 

If you have the plants and rocks scaped, its a scape. The difference is intent and design.

Then what is the differences between arranged plants and scaped plants?
Just curious about this one myself.
I consider my tank scaped, just not very well! Lol

If I had no rocks, no wood, would the tank still be scaped? Or just arranged plants

Also keep in mind, these were just planted so nothing has had the chance to properly grow in.
Also have some seeded dwarf tears and grass.

 

A recent post about Petco reminded me of a recent local interaction. A lady had baby fish (looked like a small cichlid) that she was giving away on CL. I tend to take in unwanted babies and give them a home. Her house was far away but I was in the area for the weekend. I was OMW home from the Atlanta Koi and Goldfish show with one of my boys who I raised from a little bitty thing who had just WON in his category.

She had given me her address by email and told me when to arrive etc. I arrived on time and I knocked. She looked out the window. I stood there. She didn't open the door. I knocked again. She closed the blinds. She didn't come to the door. I held up the thing I brought to take the fish and said "Hello"? She peeked through the closed blinds. Then I heard footsteps and she never came to the door. I left.

I knew a 13 year old girl on a forum who took great care of her fish and even gave others advice and ran a YouTube channel and she was a great fishkeeper. I knew another young teenage boy who knew a ton about Koi.

With all this said... Perhaps an unpopular opinion...

A fish lover and good fish keeper does not have a "LOOK". They do not have an age. They do not have a race. None of that.

I wasn't mad I wasted my time going there, I was sad she looked at me and refused to acknowledge that I was indeed who responded to her ad. I came at the time we had spoken about. She knew it was me. She just didn't want me to have the fish. She acted scared of me

That was one of the things that impacted me most in a recent video from The King of DIY--he had a very troubled childhood/adolescence, and after some really bad decisions (including jail time and almost-manslaughter), his girlfriend saved him by getting him the fish tank he'd been wanting for years. He discovered a welcoming, inclusive community who didn't care about your past--all they cared about was your fish and how well you were taking care of them. We celebrate successes (and ask for technical advice), we commiserate with failures and offer ways to learn and recover. It isn't a hobby that is 100% approachable for everyone (it takes time, effort, commitment and, yes, a certain amount of money).But if you love fish, you will find a way, and a welcome.

I hope that's not an unpopular opinion, and so very sorry for your experience. (If someone is going to be that paranoid, they shouldn't give out their home address!! Sheeesh!)

One of my other fav. Youtubers is Lucky Schmuck. I know he buys off of CL/FB/Reddit all the time...wonder what stories he has, esp. since he's from the East Coast.

 

She gave me the address after much conversation. I had asked if the fish could live with what I currently had and everything. I didn't truly know what the fish were and didn't want to end up with a baby Oscar or African Cichlids or something that wouldn't work with Mary. I am new to tropicals and idk much.

I use real English when I write. I am sure my appearance did not match what she thought it would. But she still saw me and knew who I was and refused to answer her door. Had I sought to harm her, the wooden front door and a closed window wouldn't have stopped me so it was just very upsetting.

We all have a story as to why we love fish. I just wanted a quiet pet who didn't care at all what I looked like or that I wasn't perfect. Fish came naturally to me. Thanks for understanding.

 

Actually a lady who tore down her tank sent me a whole load of free crypts. You can probably guess what happened to them. It's all good. I could only keep water wisteria alive a bit... And my goldfish ate those. So it's like nevermind.

When you keep gold fish or any other plant eating fish you kind of gotta make a choice. Plants or fish. If your like me I chose my fish every time. Lost a bunch of plants twice when medicating the community tank.